Another innocent black guy shot dead by police as he entered his own home

[fabulouslyghetto]

Where do you get this idea? Because I am not actively ignoring the color of someones skin doesn't mean I'm judging them based on that. You realize you can actually acknowledge the difference we all have with one another and not judge or hold that against them in any way, right?

The line between the two is so thin it might as well not exist at all.

 

[Peloso]

I have had very close friends murdered. I came close myself on more than one occasion.

Specifically due to skin color?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Specifically due to skin color?

Betcha $500,000 the answer is "no"

 

[spooger]

Pretending your own colorblindness (real OR IMAGINED as self-diagnosing as racist/not is just as silly as someone trying to self-diagnose cancer or bipolar disorder).

Your lack of racism is not a shield for black America which seems to be how you want us to react. OH GLORY CHILE HE AINT RACIST ALL US PROBLEMS SOLVED NOW!"

If you do not MARCH with us, if you do not SPEAK UP for us then it doesnt matter how many Earth Wind and Fire songs you know or how many black neighbors you invite over for dinner. Ignoring the institutions of racism by turning a blind eye to our injustice makes you complicit by inaction the same way a man who knows a woman is being sexually assaulted cannot pat himself on the back just because HE doesn't assault women. The pat on the back is earned when he intervenes on her behalf. This colorblind bullshit is centered on you feeling better about knowing this is going on and doing nothing about it.

I've heard the colorblind speech before and it mostly seems like a way to honor the white equilibrium more than it is a sincere attempt to connect with people of color. Its basically asking for a passing grade for doing the bare minimum.

Please do the same as I advised to a previous poster:
Please look up self righteous and egocentric and read the definitions aloud while looking in a mirror.

All non POC are not racists. Your perspective, however gained or by what influence, does not make you the omnipotent one to judge everyone who doesn't think the way you do.

I recognize and I am willing to honor your opinion, but not everyone who doesn't agree with you is the demon you wish to brand them as.

I don't need to wave a flag or show my bare ass in a parade to be gay.
I don't need to wave a flag, shout at the sky or burn my city to assuage my "white privilege" or remediate my (assumed) racism.

 

[peeonme]

Where do you get this idea? Because I am not actively ignoring the color of someones skin doesn't mean I'm judging them based on that. You realize you can actually acknowledge the difference we all have with one another and not judge or hold that against them in any way, right?

Sure you judge based upon skin color. If a black person gets shot it's because of some mysterious systemic plot to discriminate against blacks. The circumstances surrounding the death have little to nothing to do with the death... it's all color to you.

I see unwarranted violence against any one as wrong, the word being "unwarranted". I want to know the facts, was the person shot by the police an immediate threat? Did he or she have or produce a weapon? Why were they in a confrontation with the law? Did the cops have just cause to even bother the person? If they had just cause did the person resist?

If it was a white person I doubt that you would care, especially if it was a person that held to beliefs that you dislike. If it's a poc, then you have little interest in the who, what, how, when and why. Read the posts and see that the first thing that came to your friends minds in this thread was what the skin color of my friends were that got killed. They were humans!

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I don't need to wave a flag or show my bare ass in a parade to be gay.
I don't need to wave a flag, shout at the sky or burn my city to assuage my "white privilege" or remediate my (assumed) racism.

1. Gay people are not victims of police brutality so the comparison is irrelevant.

2. Again. If you are not ACTIVELY working to dismantle white supremacy and specifically police brutality you ARE AN ACTIVE PART OF IT. As a white man you have much more authority for your voice to be heard. Knowing police are killing us and doing nothing about it makes you complicit. I dunno how much clearer it can be. You're only arguing this simple logic down because it disturbs the white equilibrium and reminds you that you stand idly while state-sanctioned murder is happening. Let me state it unequivocally, if you aren't marching with us you are by proxy supporting and marching with the racists.

See that quote about how all true evil needs to thrive is for ordinary people to do nothing. While you do nothing we die. Oh but congrats on not being racist.

Then again you could barely fill a thimble with all the sympathy mainstream American lgbt has shown to people of color so this isn't surprising. I know full well how vastly different the responses would be if police were attacking hot white young Soho twinks at a fraction of the rate.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

Sure you judge based upon skin color. If a black person gets shot it's because of some mysterious systemic plot to discriminate against blacks. The circumstances surrounding the death have little to nothing to do with the death... it's all color to you.

It's literally been proven the differences of how Police interact with Black people and other races. Does EVERY single case have to do with discrimination? Of course not, but that doesn't discount the actual statistics that back this up. Systematic racism is baked into American society, regardless of whether you want to actually believe it or not.

If it was a white person I doubt that you would care, especially if it was a person that held to beliefs that you dislike. If it's a poc, then you have little interest in the who, what, how, when and why. Read the posts and see that the first thing that came to your friends minds in this thread was what the skin color of my friends were that got killed. They were humans!

Not true. The topic at hand is about another black person being killed by Police, so that is why we're talking about these specific issues. I do not like Police, at all. Police abuse their power all the time, no matter who they are doing it to, but we can't sit here and ignore the fact that it disproportionately happens to black people. History has shown they are not friends to the LGBTQIA+ community either, as evidence by Stonewall. Police are always on the side of the oppressor. No matter who they are doing it to, it isn't right.

 

[spooger]

1. Gay people are not victims of police brutality so the comparison is irrelevant.

2. Again. If you are not ACTIVELY working to dismantle white supremacy and specifically police brutality you ARE AN ACTIVE PART OF IT. As a white man you have much more authority for your voice to be heard. Knowing police are killing us and doing nothing about it makes you complicit. I dunno how much clearer it can be. You're only arguing this simple logic down because it disturbs the white equilibrium and reminds you that you stand idly while state-sanctioned murder is happening. Let me state it unequivocally, if you aren't marching with us you are by proxy supporting and marching with the racists.

See that quote about how all true evil needs to thrive is for ordinary people to do nothing. While you do nothing we die. Oh but congrats on not being racist.

Then again you could barely fill a thimble with all the sympathy mainstream American lgbt has shown to people of color so this isn't surprising. I know full well how vastly different the responses would be if police were attacking hot white young Soho twinks at a fraction of the rate.

See comment above. You've brought nothing new to the discussion.

Racism is real.

Your blather and your own blind racist condemnation of everyone who doesn't drink your kool aid is not confused with enlightenment.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

. If it's a poc, then you have little interest in the who, what, how, when and why

Because who what when where why and how are all manipulated by police they are tools for racists to justify these murders. Thats why when the video footage in EVERY case is release it almost NEVER corroborates the police and usually indicates victim coercion, lying, planting evidence et cetera. Its a way to go say "Look this n-word DESERVED to die cuz a white man told him what to do and he didn't do it!"

"I wanna know the facts" is just a way to buy time while you scour the victim's background for something damaging to make it seem like this was his inevitable fate.

You need proof even with pics as far back as the 60s showing police beating black people, using hoses and attack dogs. How the fuck much more proof do you need that this is a systemic problem? Wanna visit the tombs of every black person who has been killed by police? How many frequent flyer miles do you have and are you free for the next several fucking years?

 

[fkaMPHNX7]

Sure you judge based upon skin color. If a black person gets shot it's because of some mysterious systemic plot to discriminate against blacks. The circumstances surrounding the death have little to nothing to do with the death... it's all color to you.
!

Yt ppl ask to speak to the manager at damn near every establishment for the smallest infractions imaginable but magically believe police are out here doing nothing wrong.

 

[peeonme]

Because who what when where why and how are all manipulated by police they are tools for racists to justify these murders. Thats why when the video footage in EVERY case is release it almost NEVER corroborates the police and usually indicates victim coercion, lying, planting evidence et cetera. Its a way to go say "Look this n-word DESERVED to die cuz a white man told him what to do and he didn't do it!"

"I wanna know the facts" is just a way to buy time while you scour the victim's background for something damaging to make it seem like this was his inevitable fate.

You need proof even with pics as far back as the 60s showing police beating black people, using hoses and attack dogs. How the fuck much more proof do you need that this is a systemic problem? Wanna visit the tombs of every black person who has been killed by police? How many frequent flyer miles do you have and are you free for the next several fucking years?

Video tape doesn't lie, if it shows a person being shot in the back, then that is what happened. If the person fleeing the scene just shot an innocent person and is armed that is different than a person running because they have a controlled substance and seek to avoid prosecution. If it shows a person being drug from their car and beat up then it pretty clearly shows an abuse of power.

If a person is arrested I assume that they are innocent and have a right to a trail by a jury of their peers and the state has a burden of proof to show just cause for a trail and has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is guilty. I have often pondered the idea of national legal care so that people of all social economic status get equal protection under the law.

As for your reference to civil rights protestors being hosed, bitten and beaten you do a great disservice when you compare them to people that have a confrontation with cops when they are suspected of having committed a crime.
The civil rights movement was to assure that people would have an equal right to vote, buy homes and have employment... along with eliminating segregation. It was never meant to give carte blanche to do what you want, when you want to whom you want with out fear of prosecution.

So, the facts do matter, if a person is killed in the commission of a crime I want to know if deadly force was necessary. If a cop feels the need to kneel on a persons neck and the person dies I want to know what the hell the cop was thinking. If that cop is never brought to trail I want to know why.

Again, I have yet to read a post from you or IssaHoe where you can depict you own personal mistreatment from the police. Your anger and bitterness seem to be generated by viciously living your lives through the tragedy of others. When I post that at least 2 people that I have known where killed by gun fire you question their race. I don't care about race, I care about life. All life.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

Sorry but neither of those posters should be required to answer questions about their personal lives to justify their points of view to you. You’ve made several judgments and assumptions about people here that is pretty unwarranted, you’ve already made up your mind here. Which is ironic considering you seem to need more information about Police incidents to make judgments on those situations.

 

[peeonme]

Sorry but neither of those posters should be required to answer questions about their personal lives to justify their points of view to you. You’ve made several judgments and assumptions about people here that is pretty unwarranted, you’ve already made up your mind here. Which is ironic considering you seem to need more information about Police incidents to make judgments on those situations.

If a persons point of view is that life sucks because they live in a country that mistreats them due to their ethnicity I find it totally proper to ask them how they personally were mistreated. If people say that the police mistreat a specific group then It's proper to ask how they were specifically mistreated. I know that it's is inconvenient to mess up stories with the facts, but that's how I fly.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

If facts mattered the discussion would be over considering studies have proven that Cops treat black people different then other groups of people and they are killed in a disproportionate rate. Like this has been proven, a robust study has already been done to show these very facts. The bigger picture right now isn’t whether or not this is happening, it is, it’s about stopping it.

 

[peeonme]

If facts mattered the discussion would be over considering studies have proven that Cops treat black people different then other groups of people and they are killed in a disproportionate rate. Like this has been proven, a robust study has already been done to show these very facts. The bigger picture right now isn’t whether or not this is happening, it is, it’s about stopping it.

Years ago, when my son was about 12 he asked me why I cared so much about black people being mistreated by cops. I replied that what the police do to blacks today, they will do to whites tomorrow. He didn't believe me until he was beat up by a cop at the age of 16 for having a pack of cigarettes in his pocket and lying about it.

I do look at the bigger picture, the fact is that people of all ethnic groups suffer injustice at the hands of the authorities in this and in other nations as well. I look at it in a socioeconomic viewpoint. People from a lower income area are treated far differently than those from a higher income area. Much of this is because people without money can be pushed around and the police have little fear of repercussion from it as lawyers are expensive. Of course in cases where people are shot dead they line up to take the case, black cases get better news coverage and bring in more money so we hear more about it. Now we know that blacks are disproportionately killed, I don't know that cops are laying in wait to do this. It is in all probability because more blacks live in high crime areas because poverty seems to produce crime.

Now to make this a black vs. white issue doesn't solve the problem. Neither does looting and burning. Hearing a preacher on Sunday morning tell a person that the system is out to get them does not offer hope either. Pres. Obama wrote a book , The Audacity of Hope. Negative tirades and anger coupled with bitterness and victim hood do little to establish hope in a persons life. Dr. M.L.King had a dream of a united America, he had hope. He knew that all people could do better.

I talk to young men and mentor them on how to have a better life, I encourage them to learn a skill or trade, to read about history and not to believe every thing that they read but to read it from differing view points, I tell them to study math. Knowledge can not be repossessed. To beat people down, particularly young men that have never known their fathers with stories of hopeless despair will not help them rise above the circumstances that surround them.

When I was released from the juvenile home that I spent 18 months in after having been expelled from school and labeled a "retard" I flipped of the system and shook the dust of public education and all of it's ills from my feet. I knew that I could do better, I believed in myself and had hope. I don't say this to boast, it's a lesson that I am thankful to have learned. If the "man'" thinks that I am no good, then screw him.

When I hear tales of victim hood I ask what has happened, who did it. Most of the the time I hear stories about the evening news. About racism and how the system is unfair. Then I ask, "what have you experienced?" "what has someone in your family experienced?".

I suppose that we are all victims of one kind or another, the question is what do we do about it? Anger and bitterness will do us little good in a traffic stop. I marvel at how well the Jews that survived the holocaust have done. If ever a group had a good reason to hate and be bitter it would seem that they would well qualify for that position, they rose above they had hope, they believed in themselves.

 

[fkaMPHNX7]

Again, I have yet to read a post from you or IssaHoe where you can depict you own personal mistreatment from the police. Your anger and bitterness seem to be generated by viciously living your lives through the tragedy of others. When I post that at least 2 people that I have known where killed by gun fire you question their race. I don't care about race, I care about life. All life.

Please stop being obtuse on purpose. For the umpteenth time, it’s disturbing to me personally that police forces that are supposedly meant to serve and protect me largely support the message and movement of white supremacy and fascism. Therefore, they routinely inflict violence and harm on unsuspecting minorities while hating the message and movement for equality and less oppression. I’m not living my life through the tragedy of others. It’s been well documented in this country for centuries that my mere existence and survival threatens their very existence and livelihoods.

How do I know this for sure? Because it’s the same reason cops allowed white supremacist “Proud Boys” free reign this past weekend to take over streets and inflict violence in cities throughout the country, while gassing and assaulting BLM protestors for chanting. Again, most cops support fascism and oppression and are threatened by calls for freedom. There were created and designed for that very purpose and to sit up here and deflect and pretend like it’s anything else perpetuates the problem.

I take it personally because it goes beyond this thread and this message board. I have to deal with white people like you almost every other day denying a black person’s pain and pretending systematic racism is just a myth.

I really wish I had the privilege to read story after story about some black person being unjustly killed and not feel empathy when their killers get away with it. What freedom that must be to go on about my life as it didn’t affect me. But it does, it fucking hurts and I don’t owe you an explanation about why it does. But the fact you can even question our pain just proves what I said earlier that most of y’all really don’t care.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

See comment above. You've brought nothing new to the discussion.

Racism is real.

Your blather and your own blind racist condemnation of everyone who doesn't drink your kool aid is not confused with enlightenment.

i'd rather be all of that than he apathetic towards the plight of others. Then again I dont have the PRIVILEGE of just ignoring police brutality, I don't have the PRIVILEGE OF being able to go wherever I want without having to be mindful of police presence for my own fucking safety. But again, kudos to you for being colorblind. Trophy's in the mail. Now, lets see if we can work on that whole being injustice-blind. (Its not happening to me so I cant see it!)

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Video tape doesn't lie, if it shows a person being shot in the back, then that is what happened. If the person fleeing the scene just shot an innocent person and is armed that is different than a person running because they have a controlled substance and seek to avoid prosecution. If it shows a person being drug from their car and beat up then it pretty clearly shows an abuse of power.

If a person is arrested I assume that they are innocent and have a right to a trail by a jury of their peers and the state has a burden of proof to show just cause for a trail and has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is guilty. I have often pondered the idea of national legal care so that people of all social economic status get equal protection under the law.

As for your reference to civil rights protestors being hosed, bitten and beaten you do a great disservice when you compare them to people that have a confrontation with cops when they are suspected of having committed a crime.
The civil rights movement was to assure that people would have an equal right to vote, buy homes and have employment... along with eliminating segregation. It was never meant to give carte blanche to do what you want, when you want to whom you want with out fear of prosecution.

So, the facts do matter, if a person is killed in the commission of a crime I want to know if deadly force was necessary. If a cop feels the need to kneel on a persons neck and the person dies I want to know what the hell the cop was thinking. If that cop is never brought to trail I want to know why.

Again, I have yet to read a post from you or IssaHoe where you can depict you own personal mistreatment from the police. Your anger and bitterness seem to be generated by viciously living your lives through the tragedy of others. When I post that at least 2 people that I have known where killed by gun fire you question their race. I don't care about race, I care about life. All life.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

should be noted that there are no surprises in the responses to this thread. The same people who are always dismissive of institutional racism have jumped in with their $0.02. Anybody got change for a penny?

 

[fkaMPHNX7]

should be noted that there are no surprises in the responses to this thread. The same people who are always dismissive of institutional racism have jumped in with their $0.02. Anybody got change for a penny?

And chile, they really think they’re in here saying something. This has been light work for me.