Another shooting, another 10 youth killed, and where is the Republican reaction?

[Vitamin]

Never suspected a thing, did ya?
No one can read Welsh. Your spy agencies were thwarted from the start.

If everything that Welsh lady at the UK Leaders Debate said about Wales is true, I doubt even the Welsh can read Welsh!

 

[opinterph]

Courts from SCOTUS right on down have ruled repeatedly that criminals cannot be required to participate in actions which would incriminate them, and that has been specifically applied to firearms.

Are you speaking about “registration” of certain types of firearms possessed by convicted felons – OR – are you suggesting that convicted felons are somehow legally exempt from background checks?

Attempting to buy a gun when you have committed a crime that puts you on the prohibited list is a federal felony. So participating in a background check is self-incrimination, either by admitting you are committing the crime or by lying and thus committing a crime. So courts have already ruled that criminals don't have to engage in background checks.

I expected you to cite a court case to validate the claim you are promoting. And I expected you to cite Haynes v. United States, (1968).

To top it all off, how is it “common sense” to establish a gun registration system in America that would apply only to law-abiding citizens, not criminals? That question has been starkly answered by the U.S. Supreme Court.

In 1968, the Court reached a landmark decision in the case of Haynes v. United States. Miles Edward Haynes decided to fight his arrest for possession of an unregistered, barrel-shortened shotgun. His argument was brief. Because registering the firearm would force Haynes to admit to having unlawfully possessed the shotgun before it was registered, Haynes argued that registration laws violated his Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination. The Supreme Court agreed, and in an 8-1 decision ruled that individuals with a legitimate claim of self-incrimination are immune from registering their illegally possessed firearms with the government.

The upshot of this case is that registration requirements can only be enforced against the law-abiding, the same people who own firearms to protect themselves against violent criminals.

National Rifle Association; Wayne LaPierre

Mr. LaPierre goes on to say that “universal background checks” are just the first step by gun-ban zealots to destroy our Second Amendment-protected rights.

Umm. Okay, whatever.

BTW~ Haynes v. United States was decided 7-1 – not 8-1. Mr. LaPierre should update his “essay” to correct that error and while he’s at it, maybe he should correct the more obvious error.

After the decision in Haynes v. United States, Congress amended the law to correct its defects revealed by the Court.

I invite you to review United States v. Freed, (1971).​

Do you have some other basis to support your claim that “courts have already ruled that criminals don't have to engage in background checks?”

 

[Mitchymo]

If everything that Welsh lady at the UK Leaders Debate said about Wales is true, I doubt even the Welsh can read Welsh!

Half the welsh don't even speak welsh let alone read it.

 

[smokeshadow]

Interesting suggestions: http://americablog.com/2015/10/time-amend-second-amendment.html

 

[TX-Beau]

You sly motherf*****s, all this time we been paying attention to what the Scots might be hiding under their kilts......and its the WELSH!!!

The Scots are hiding the Welsh under their kilts?

 

[Kabluey]

If everything that Welsh lady at the UK Leaders Debate said about Wales is true, I doubt even the Welsh can read Welsh!

Hook line and sinker.
You've fallen for the oldest line in the Welsh separatist's handbook.

 

[Mitchymo]

The Scots are hiding the Welsh under their kilts?

No lol.

I'm glad Kabluey read my post in the way i meant it. Perhaps i should have said 'and it was the welsh (all along)' instead of what i did put.

 

[Kabluey]

No lol.

I'm glad Kabluey read my post in the way i meant it. Perhaps i should have said 'and it was the welsh (all along)' instead of what i did put.

It's hard to hide a Welshman.
In light of our earlier conversations, better be cautious around anyone by the name of David Williams. No reason.

 

[Vitamin]

Hook line and sinker.
You've fallen for the oldest line in the Welsh separatist's handbook.

Meh, I actually found her rather annoying. All she did was make it seem like Wales was one big Third World country.

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

An 11-year-old Tennessee boy was charged with shooting an 8-year-old girl to death with a 12-gauge shotgun after an argument over a puppy Saturday, NBC affiliate WBIR

A neighbor told the station that the girl, MaKayla Dyer, had been playing with neighbors on Saturday night in White Pine, outside Knoxville.

She started talking with the boy, who has not been identified, through an open window at his home.

He asked the little girl to see her puppies," the neighbor, Chasity Atwood, told WBID. "She said no and laughed and then turned around, looked at her friend and said, 'Let's go get the — ' and never got 'puppies' out."

The boy had already shot her in the chest.

...OPPPS!

 

[TickTockMan]

I am near Roseburg right now. It came out today the president will be visiting here on Friday. In person and on my Facebook people are stopping just short of threatening the president for wanting to do something about all of these shootings. It is sad just how much people love their guns.

 

[evanrick]

Uh, bullshit. Read and LEARN

care about truth. you cant debate a mailbox.

 

[Kabluey]

I am near Roseburg right now. It came out today the president will be visiting here on Friday. In person and on my Facebook people are stopping just short of threatening the president for wanting to do something about all of these shootings. It is sad just how much people love their guns.

The cold, dead hands attitude makes those who want to have guns more than a little spooky.

 

[lambdaboy]

I wonder how many people died by guns
and how many people died by car accidents in the UK and then you can decide.

Also car accidents and killing people on purpose are not comparable.

Since 1968 1,384,000 people have dies from Guns in the United States more than in every warm from the Revolutionary War up to today and its growing. Every one with a gun should be made to report to their local police station to show proof of a permit or have there weapons removed and if need be martial law enforced. The right to bear arms as written was in the event of a need for a military as the country had no viable army. It has been distorted by pigs and ass holes. The Republicans as well as the Democrats need the Gun Vote, Just as they need what has been called THE JEW Vote thus the tolerance fro Israel. And until recently what politicians call the Cuban Vote in Florida which for more than 40 years made us treat Cuba worse than the Chinese. Of course that is because the Chinese own our ass. If they called in there U.S. Bonds the United States would be finished so we kiss their ass.

 

[Benvolio]

Not really. If they called the bonds, what would we pay them with? Think about it.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

I am near Roseburg right now. It came out today the president will be visiting here on Friday. In person and on my Facebook people are stopping just short of threatening the president for wanting to do something about all of these shootings. It is sad just how much people love their guns.

I'm sure they all consider themselves law abiding citizens.

 

[Kabluey]

Not really. If they called the bonds, what would we pay them with? Think about it.

More debt, that said most US debt is probably privately held by domestic banks and investors.

 

[smokeshadow]

this image says it all

 

[thewiz]

Not really. If they called the bonds, what would we pay them with? Think about it.

Actually we'd repay them with the full faith and credit of the US -- which right now (or at least until the Republicans again cause us to default on our debt) is the best thing in the world. The dollar is still the currency of choice and we still have an economy that people want to invest with. If we actually changed the way the feds financed, the bonds could be converted to having lien on property (air craft carriers, buildings, etc) until repaid. It is what every state and city does but the feds do not.

 

[mikemizanin729]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a8UgOvJVol8#