Apple Is Really Overdoing It Now

[swerve]

more apple non sense: http://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-has-lost-their-legal-claim-to-the-iphone-name-in-mexico_id36199

yightz!!!

The bad guys WIN for ALL the RIGHT reasons...

It is ASTOUNDING that APPLE didn't trademark the iPhone name until 2007 in Mexico...

And -- THEN -- they chose to fight it in court rather than just PAY the BAD GUYS OFF for its SNEAKY yet LEGAL iFone trademark...

How bizarre...

 

[JB3]

Apple... what's the deal with the Ipad mini? No HD video, piss poor sound, a mediocre display... and it costs $329 ($360-370 after tax)? I'll take the Kindle Fire HD ($199) over it. People talk about innovation, but how is that device innovative? And who in their right mind would spend close to $400 on a tablet with no HD?

People that want a tablet that can, you know, actually do things. The Fire is good as a multimedia consumption device, but not for anything else.

 

[JB3]

More Apple non sense: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-has-lost-their-legal-claim-to-the-iPhone-name-in-Mexico_id36199

Not quite. That story has been debunked. Apple still owns the iPhone trademark in two other classes, and can still use it as it sees fit.

 

[JB3]

That table can actually do things? The Fire has a lot of capability on it... and quite a few different options. It's a versatile device. And there are other tablets cheaper than the ipad mini that can do many things... the ipad mini is a piece of overpriced crap.

The Fire uses a highly curated and limited app store, and is missing basic features like a decent email app and a calendar app. The only reason anyone should buy the Fire is if they've already bought into the Amazon ecosystem or only plan on using it for media consumption. Buyers are better off choosing the Nexus 7 or iPad mini.

Also, the mini is not an overpriced piece of crap. For what it brings, the price is fair. You should also note that the mini is in a different class than the Fire or Nexus 7. It actually competes against the Galaxy Tab 7.7/8.9. The 8.9 is actually more expensive than the mini, while the 7.7 rings in less expensive. Both, however, have worse specs.

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On my last post I said table.. I meant to say tablet... referring to the ipad mini. I still stand by the statement that it's useless.

You stand by your statement because you've obviously never used one.

 

[JB3]

I agree.

My OH just got an iPhone. I thought it was a piece of shit. In fact, it was defective that he had to return it.

The biggest thing I don't like about the iPhone is that the SIM card's not transferable, unlike any other cellphone I've ever own. I won't stand for that. I frequently switch my phones out by moving my SIM card from one phone to the other.

What are you talking about? You can move the sim between the devices as easily as any other GSM or LTE device.

 

[andysayshi]

Unfortunately, in this world of ever-thinner and lighter phones, SIM cards have had to change. Standard sized SIM cards are the domain of old clunkers now.

The iPhone 4 and 4S switched to the MicroSIM, which has now become quite common on smartphones, like the Samsung Galaxy S3 etc. Apple have moved the iPhone 5 to the NanoSIM, which will no doubt become the standard for all phones over the next year or two.

All of these cards are actually the same electronics, just stuck to a smaller piece of plastic. With a Stanley knife and a steady hand they can all be "upgraded".

With regard to tablets, I'm also with JB3. The Kindle Fire HD is okay - great if you're an Amazon customer, but otherwise pretty limited. The Nexus, however, is an awesome little tablet for the money. I recently bought 20 of them and used them as giveaways for my business at a convention, with my company brochure on it rather than on paper. Needless to say, when you give the Marketing Manager of a company a free tablet while all the other guys are handing out their paper brochures, you get quite a bit of positive attention!

Haven't tried an iPad mini, so I can't vouch for them, but as a heavily invested iOS customer, it would make sense for me to buy an iOS tablet if I was in the market for one.

 

[andysayshi]

You're going to have the same issue with most contemporary phones you buy. Just put an adaptor in your wallet in case you should need it. You can buy them on eBay for a dollar or two each.

 

[JB3]

The SIMs are different sizes, JB3.

Okay, go to ebay and get an adapter for 50 cents. Problem (even though its not really a problem) solved.

 

[JB3]

Not convincing at all. The Fire has a very expansive app store. I've seen it.

It is tiny compared to the App and Play stores. A very large number of apps are not available in the Amazon app store that are available in the Play store, and Amazon has neutered Android's ability to side load applications in their version of the OS.

Are we really going to argue about this? The price for the mini is NOT fair. It's far from that. And don't even look at the Fire... take a look at the other tablets out there running off Droid. Yes, the mini is overpriced... ridiculously.

Edit: OH and I have used it. Nice try, JB. Attitude, attitude. One can't handle the facts.

Yes, we are, because you are incorrect. The price being charged for the Mini is fair, especially compared to the competition I listed above. The Mini does not compete with either the Nexus 7 or Kindle Fire HD 7 inch. It competes with the larger tablets from Samsung, Amazon, and others, all of which are priced the same or higher than the Mini. (Galaxy Tab 8.9 is $469, Kindle 8.9 is $314, IdeaPad is $299, Nook HD+ is $299) It is priced comparably to the tablets it actually competes with.

Oh, and it is Android, not Droid. One is the name of an operating system, the other is the marketing name for a lineup of handsets on Verizon Wireless.

 

[TitaniumSky]

I've played with the galaxy S2 and iPhone 4S... extensively. I myself own an LG Thrill (because of its 3D capabilities). When I got to play with someone's iPhone 5 I saw nothing new to explore. Everything seemed like the same old, same old...boring. When I got to play with the S3, the UI felt fresh and made me want to play around with it and there were so many new features from Samsung to explore, like the popup video, burst shot, all the NFC stuff.

When jellybean hits for S3... there will be a smoother UI and Google Now which will be fun to try out.

It feels like iOS 6 offered just improvements... nothing new.

Yes, we are, because you are incorrect. The price being charged for the Mini is fair, especially compared to the competition I listed above. The Mini does not compete with either the Nexus 7 or Kindle Fire HD 7 inch. It competes with the larger tablets from Samsung, Amazon, and others, all of which are priced the same or higher than the Mini. (Galaxy Tab 8.9 is $469, Kindle 8.9 is $314, IdeaPad is $299, Nook HD+ is $299) It is priced comparably to the tablets it actually competes with.

The iPad Mini is 7.9" while the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire HD 7 are 7", but they have higher resolutions and better displays, the better resolutions compensates, making them comparable. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57546140-37/nexus-7-kindle-fire-hd-outperform-ipad-mini-display/. Also, the iPad Mini was released at such a specific price and time because obviously, it is trying to compete with something popular, e.g., the Nexus 7. Why would the iPad Mini be targeted to compete with something that is outdated by a year (does not include Kindle Fire HD 8.9")? One should compare the most updated mini tablets with each other, if you compare outdated tablets, you won't be comparing the most updated OS version.

Also, the Galaxy 8.9 and Kindle Fire HD 8.9 have a 1" difference vs the iPad Mini 7.9" and the IdeaPad 9"/Nook HD+ 9" have a 1.1" difference with the iPad Mini, this makes them less comparable with it than the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire HD 7".


From a personal perspective, the Apple iPad Mini advertisements seem to display the iPad Mini as the same thing as the iPad, where everything performs at the exact same speeds. This advertisement is leading me to feel... are they trying to discourage people from buying the iPad?

Apple seems to be slipping...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411811,00.asp

 

[JB3]

I've played with the galaxy S2 and iPhone 4S... extensively. I myself own an LG Thrill (because of its 3D capabilities). When I got to play with someone's iPhone 5 I saw nothing new to explore. Everything seemed like the same old, same old...boring. When I got to play with the S3, the UI felt fresh and made me want to play around with it and there were so many new features from Samsung to explore, like the popup video, burst shot, all the NFC stuff.

When jellybean hits for S3... there will be a smoother UI and Google Now which will be fun to try out.

It feels like iOS 6 offered just improvements... nothing new.

I would agree generally, but it really depends what you need. I got an iPhone 5, and before that I had a Galaxy S3 and Galaxy Nexus. Both of them were great phones, but each had its issues. This is what I didn't like:

-Cheap construction
-Screens weren't great. If you know what a Pentile Matrix is, then you know why the S3 and Nexus weren't all they could be.
-The apps I use regularly are much lower quality on Android.
-Android phones have gotten too damn big. You sort of get used to it, but after having my 5 for a few weeks, the S3 feels absolutely massive.
-I don't care for Samsung's skin. Samsung is trying really hard to be the 'whole package' with hardware and software, but they're just not very good at the software side yet.
-NFC is useless, at least at Verizon. No Google wallet. No Isis. (yet) All you can do is share stuff, and since I know no one with an NFC-capable phone, its pretty pointless.

It sounds like I hated both, but I didn't. Both were good phones, but ultimately not for me. That is especially true now that the iPhone has a bigger screen and LTE, which were my biggest gripes with the iPhone. HTC has a new phone coming out for Verizon called the Droid DNA, and I may take a look at it. I've always loved HTCs, and even though it has a big 5" screen, the rest may make up for it. I might also try out a Nexus 4 with a prepaid SIM and see if I like it. If I don't, know worries since I'll still have a phone I like.

The iPad Mini is 7.9" while the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire HD 7 are 7", but they have higher resolutions and better displays, the better resolutions compensates, making them comparable. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57546140-37/nexus-7-kindle-fire-hd-outperform-ipad-mini-display/. Also, the iPad Mini was released at such a specific price and time because obviously, it is trying to compete with something popular, e.g., the Nexus 7. Why would the iPad Mini be targeted to compete with something that is outdated by a year (does not include Kindle Fire HD 8.9")? One should compare the most updated mini tablets with each other, if you compare outdated tablets, you won't be comparing the most updated OS version.

Ehh. Apple released it when they did because of Christmas. Part of the reason they didn't release it with a higher spec screen is because the technology for a screen using Apple's retina philosophy (pixel doubling, essentially), doesn't exist. There's speculation they could introduce a new resolution for the Mini so they don't have to make that big of a leap, but that they're waiting until after the iPhone 5's resolution is fully 'absorbed' by delevopers.

Also, the Galaxy 8.9 and Kindle Fire HD 8.9 have a 1" difference vs the iPad Mini 7.9" and the IdeaPad 9"/Nook HD+ 9" have a 1.1" difference with the iPad Mini, this makes them less comparable with it than the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire HD 7".

Yes, however, the iPad mini is a premium tablet, which the Nexus and Fire HD are not. They may be very good tablets for the price, but they're still budget tablets nonetheless.

From a personal perspective, the Apple iPad Mini advertisements seem to display the iPad Mini as the same thing as the iPad, where everything performs at the exact same speeds. This advertisement is leading me to feel... are they trying to discourage people from buying the iPad?

Apple seems to be slipping...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411811,00.asp

No. The message they're trying to send is that the Mini is an iPad, but smaller, and that it can run all of the same apps as the bigger iPad. Its a subtle shot at the limited nature of the Fires, and the limited tablet app selection on Android.

 

[Nishin]

D670.713...



Seriously... does the Cupertino bully know any limit??

 

[Corny]

I have had flash scripts do that 10 years ago ..

 

[Laufey]

You could argue that every company that uses folders is copying Microsoft.

These copyright laws are to extreme I think.

P.s. The Samsung Galaxy's are much better than the overrated iPhone

 

[JB3]

D670.713...



Seriously... does the Cupertino bully know any limit??

...Or you could actually do a little research and understand that the design patent is very, very limited. Literally what you see in that picture is what is patented. Anything that is even the slightest bit different would not be in violation of that patent.

 

[TitaniumSky]

-NFC is useless, at least at Verizon. No Google wallet. No Isis. (yet) All you can do is share stuff, and since I know no one with an NFC-capable phone, its pretty pointless.

I can see your point... since NFC in phones is new, it does not have wide use yet, but it also depends on whether or not you are getting a 2 year contract, because with that, future technology, which has not been fully adopted yet, allows you to stay more up to date.

Yes, however, the iPad mini is a premium tablet, which the Nexus and Fire HD are not. They may be very good tablets for the price, but they're still budget tablets nonetheless.

Well, what exactly is a 'premium' tablet? Just because it is considered 'premium', does not invalidate it's unreasonable cost.
Yes, the iPad Mini may have a faster processor, but the point of all this comparison was to demonstrate how overpriced the iPad Mini is. The 'budget' Android tablets perform, in some aspects close or better, than the iPad Mini, which regardless of labels like 'premium', says that the iPad Mini is overpriced.

'Premium' Android tablets may perform worse than the iPad Mini, but since the cons of a 'budget' tablet are cancelled out by the cons of the iPad Mini, it is overpriced.

Ultimately, it may be better to assign value based on perspective due to the gamut of available features in each tablet; what may be 'premium' to one may not be so for all.

No. The message they're trying to send is that the Mini is an iPad, but smaller, and that it can run all of the same apps as the bigger iPad. Its a subtle shot at the limited nature of the Fires, and the limited tablet app selection on Android.

Yes, but my point was that the apps rendered on the iPad Mini and the iPad both show the same processing speed; naturally, one might assume that the $330 has the same processing speed as the $600. Also, both screens seem to display the same level of sharpness. I understand that the screen images were virtual and pre-rendered, so maybe they should have taken these into consideration.

Also, I can counter argue that displaying 1 or 2 apps does not demonstrate the scope of the app selection.

I will concede to say, though, that the advertisements are highly ambiguous and unsound and consequently, may render any of our interpretations invalid.

 

[JB3]

I can see your point... since NFC in phones is new, it does not have wide use yet, but it also depends on whether or not you are getting a 2 year contract, because with that, future technology, which has not been fully adopted yet, allows you to stay more up to date.

Only sort of true. Phones out now won't be likely to get the software necessary to use it.

Well, what exactly is a 'premium' tablet? Just because it is considered 'premium', does not invalidate it's unreasonable cost.
Yes, the iPad Mini may have a faster processor, but the point of all this comparison was to demonstrate how overpriced the iPad Mini is. The 'budget' Android tablets perform, in some aspects close or better, than the iPad Mini, which regardless of labels like 'premium', says that the iPad Mini is overpriced.

'Premium' Android tablets may perform worse than the iPad Mini, but since the cons of a 'budget' tablet are cancelled out by the cons of the iPad Mini, it is overpriced.

The market determines it, and it doesn't have a problem with the price.

Ultimately, it may be better to assign value based on perspective due to the gamut of available features in each tablet; what may be 'premium' to one may not be so for all.

The Apple App store alone makes it premium. Google's is trash compared to it. (on tablets only)

Yes, but my point was that the apps rendered on the iPad Mini and the iPad both show the same processing speed; naturally, one might assume that the $330 has the same processing speed as the $600. Also, both screens seem to display the same level of sharpness. I understand that the screen images were virtual and pre-rendered, so maybe they should have taken these into consideration.

This tells me you haven't played with a regular iPad and iPad mini. The big iPad has a much more powerful CPU, and it is definitely noticeable. The screens, similarly, are very different. The big iPad is a retina display and is very, very sharp. The Mini's screen is still very good, but it is nowhere near as crisp. There are also different use-cases for each. But, the big reason for how they are advertising it is that they want to reinforce that its an iPad, just smaller.

Also, I can counter argue that displaying 1 or 2 apps does not demonstrate the scope of the app selection.

The Android ecosystem is a barren wasteland for tablet apps. Even when there are tablet specific apps, they are usually of much poorer quality. Then, you have tablets like the Fire, which have heavily curated app stores with an even more limited selection. So its not hard to see why Apple wants to call out the availability of apps (or the lack of that) on Android.

 

[TitaniumSky]

I don't think you are perusing my posts very well. You don't seem to be getting the main gist of some of my posts. You seem to be focused on your opinion and reading just a few lines instead of understanding the implications of my concise and concrete arguments.

You argue against opinions or points which I have not made, as if expecting responses from an Android zealot.

This tells me you haven't played with a regular iPad and iPad mini. The big iPad has a much more powerful CPU, and it is definitely noticeable. The screens, similarly, are very different. The big iPad is a retina display and is very, very sharp. The Mini's screen is still very good, but it is nowhere near as crisp. There are also different use-cases for each. But, the big reason for how they are advertising it is that they want to reinforce that its an iPad, just smaller.

I know that the big iPad is more powerful than the smaller one... that was the whole POINT of my post, that the ad is misleading people into believing that actions are processed at the same speed with the same sharpness of resolution. I know that "they want to reinforce that its an iPad"(minus size differences), which leads to my point that they are discouraging the sale of the larger iPad.

The market determines it, and it doesn't have a problem with the price.

If the market had no problems with the price, then there would be no complaints, and critics are not exactly happy. I have already posted a review previously as proof.

The Apple App store alone makes it premium. Google's is trash compared to it. (on tablets only)

And as I explained, this is solely YOUR opinion on value. You may value the App store, but Android users may value the ability to customize their phones with widgets and live wallpapers. My point was that what may be valuable to you may not be so for others. (and yes I know about jail breaking, but this is since we are considering the average smartphone user, because you mentioned that software for NFC would not be available in the future, this is ONLY true for an average smartphone user, software mods are typically available for Android users from xda-developers, if other phones get them first)

The Android ecosystem is a barren wasteland for tablet apps. Even when there are tablet specific apps, they are usually of much poorer quality. Then, you have tablets like the Fire, which have heavily curated app stores with an even more limited selection. So its not hard to see why Apple wants to call out the availability of apps (or the lack of that) on Android.

Again, the point of my post was not to question Apple's motives, nor did I provide an opinion on the availability of apps on either platform.

I had said that the ad itself is ineffective in its demonstration, THAT was my point.

 

[Nishin]

Cheap shot but funny

 

[justdra]

Walmart is advertising iPhone 5 for 127 with 2yr contract. Thats a big cut from 199. I think all their Apple products are on sale.