Are you emigrating from the USA?

[belamyi]

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[cityboy-stl]

I would move to Canada but I can't just emigrate like I can move to another state. You have to meet all the legal requirements and basically have a ton of money.

 

[Alistair]

Why would I want to? With all its problems it's still the best country in the World.

 

[frankfrank]

I voted NO, but "I WOULD IF I COULD" should have been another option. As cityboy-stl posted, you have to leave "a ton of money" - and that means that you need to come up with MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to make it happen. You get it back after five years. You are also required to create some full-time jobs with employees.

This is true for Ontario, at least. Not even in the realm of possibility for me; the only other Province I would even consider is British Columbia, and prices for real estate (in its relatively small region of climate havens) are insane. I have physical issues (VERY dry skin) that make extremely cold climates unthinkable.

I have seven to nine TONS of stuff that I would need to take wherever I go. A Canadian location would have allowed me to move at my own pace, over an extended period. Anywhere else (UK? Ireland?) would be an "everything at the same time" in a shipping container move, which wouldn't be something with good odds of survival - I can barely imagine that horrifying scenario.

The other land-based option would be Mexico, and that presents its own issues (such as learning another language) - and they don't really want USAns coming in, either, nearly as bad that way as Canada.

 

[Araucaria]

My reaction is no, I'm still going to stay and fight, and I'm not quite ready to move to Montreal and learn French. Despite a lot of rhetoric to that effect, I don't think it's going to get as bad as Nazi Germany for us, with concentration and death camps. I may have to eat my words if things indeed go that way.

 

[me203]

I realistically can't, due to the practical difficulties in emigrating. I'm a bit aware of what it takes, because I knew someone who tried it. And I'm aware of a couple of other people who have effectively become ex-pats.

And the other factor: if some things get bad enough here--like the economy crashing beyond hope--the effects will be felt around the world.

All this said...living elsewhere is a fantasy at times...

 

[cityboy-stl]

My reaction is no, I'm still going to stay and fight, and I'm not quite ready to move to Montreal and learn French. Despite a lot of rhetoric to that effect, I don't think it's going to get as bad as Nazi Germany for us, with concentration and death camps. I may have to eat my words if things indeed go that way.

We already have concentration camps filled with children and others with separated parents on the southern border. Some of those who are there are dying from negligence and lack of health care in barely livable conditions. We probably won't have gas chambers but I can't rule it out or something similar. I definitely see roundups of the opposition and locking them up in holding camps. Fully half the population of the United States of America, had they lived in Germany in the 1930s would have voted for Adolf Hitler. So yeah, if Trump and the [STRIKE]republicans[/STRIKE] fascists stay in power, I can see it happening and the people not only supporting it but cheering it on.

Even if Biden wins, much damage has been done. Expect the Afforadable Care Act to be gone. Expect Roe vs Wade to be gone. Expect same-sex marriage to be gone. Expect a roll back of rights everywhere. Expect the courts to unleash a reign of terror on decades of hard earned progress.

 

[BillyT]

I would never move from the USA even if Trump won again.

The question is "Will you leave Spain"?

 

[Rickrock]

I would like to have that option open to me, but I am not ready to leave the U.S. now (yet). In any case Canada would be my first choice and I have heard that it is nearly impossible for U.S. citizens to be accepted there.

I voted no.

 

[m1thousand]

I dont even think about things that Americans think about . . .
- Im not worried about healthcare, Its covered.
- Im not worried about natural disasters. Ive been told about the Big One (earthquake) in 1975 and it still hasnt happened.
- there is some racial discrimination towards Indigenous people, but I dont think about racism / or being discriminated because Im gay
- I dont worry about crime
- Then there is the President . . .

 

[belamyi]

I would never move from the USA even if Trump won again.

The question is "Will you leave Spain"?

But where to? Nations are pointless, it is the position you enjoy in whatever nation what is important, and I am still not sure what is my relevance to the rest of the universe, beyond the scope of a few initiated ones

 

[frankfrank]

I have heard that it is nearly impossible for U.S. citizens to be accepted there.

There's a possibility that I found it to be impossible, because of my age. I do wonder if it's easier if somebody's, say, 24 years old (instead of my 67 years old when I started investigating the possibility in 2014)?

I think it's a very good assumption for Canada to assume that anybody moving there is a "health-care refugee" with so many people barely covered/insured or not at all, and facing horrific costs making care for cancer, etc. impossible. Pre-existing conditions are (FOR NOW, anyway) still covered, but that doesn't stop an insurance company from raising somebody's annual premium to $63,000 because they have cancer or such.

USAns shouldn't feel too confident, either, about being covered by workplace insurance plans. I fully expect Congress to pass laws that give company plans the option to just "drop somebody" who's gonna cost the plan too much - thankfully it's at least looking a little more like there will be a president who is likely to veto such a law.

Oh, mentioning the Canadian obstacles...I also figure that I would have to pay $100,000 to $200,000 customs duty to bring my stuff over. I remember a friend (with a far, FAR smaller amount of similar stuff - "STOCK" of 45rpm records) who tried to move to Canada around 1977, but he had to bail because they wanted to charge him $30,000 duty. I had the chance to move to Canada in 1978, but by that time I ALREADY had two or three times as much as my friend had!

 

[Araucaria]

We already have concentration camps filled with children and others with separated parents on the southern border. Some of those who are there are dying from negligence and lack of health care in barely livable conditions. We probably won't have gas chambers but I can't rule it out or something similar. I definitely see roundups of the opposition and locking them up in holding camps. Fully half the population of the United States of America, had they lived in Germany in the 1930s would have voted for Adolf Hitler. So yeah, if Trump and the [STRIKE]republicans[/STRIKE] fascists stay in power, I can see it happening and the people not only supporting it but cheering it on.

Even if Biden wins, much damage has been done. Expect the Afforadable Care Act to be gone. Expect Roe vs Wade to be gone. Expect same-sex marriage to be gone. Expect a roll back of rights everywhere. Expect the courts to unleash a reign of terror on decades of hard earned progress.

You called me out on this. When I said "us," I was making the assumption that most American JUB subscribers, at least, were US citizens, conveniently ignoring the issue of what is happening on our Southern Border. What the country is doing-- separating children from parents, putting them in cages, neglecting their care, etc.-- rises to the level of atrocity, which no country should ever do. In fact, it was just this issue which prompted me to renew my ACLU membership. Central American refugees are fleeing abject poverty and violence, something all of us would do if put in the same situation.

I don't think America will rise to the level of Nazi Germany, but that doesn't mean that things can't get bad. Remember that the US interred Japanese Americans during WWII.

 

[nycguydowntown]

moving to Barcelona---before it goes fascist ---again.

 

[belamyi]

One would rather leave a place BEFORE "it goes fascist", not move there while it is approaching fascism...

 

[Ontariobear]

We are already Personal Support Canadians for several of our Michigan friends, only about 45 minutes from the Bluewater Bridge to Port Huron.

 

[Vannie]

Moving to Poland to start a stuffed cabbage company.

 

[cityboy-stl]

You called me out on this. When I said "us," I was making the assumption that most American JUB subscribers, at least, were US citizens, conveniently ignoring the issue of what is happening on our Southern Border. What the country is doing-- separating children from parents, putting them in cages, neglecting their care, etc.-- rises to the level of atrocity, which no country should ever do. In fact, it was just this issue which prompted me to renew my ACLU membership. Central American refugees are fleeing abject poverty and violence, something all of us would do if put in the same situation.

I don't think America will rise to the level of Nazi Germany, but that doesn't mean that things can't get bad. Remember that the US interred Japanese Americans during WWII.

I hope that you are right. But I am also convinced that a significant majority of Trump supporters would be supportive of America descending to that level.

 

[xyxyxy]

Why would I want to? With all its problems it's still the best country in the World.

exactly

 

[belamyi]

^ Exactly: one can always win another Civil War