Attention Argument over loud music leads to the fatal shooting of a Florida teen

[Beachguyj]

Teenagers can be bloody bloody irritating.

Just saying...

More irritating are adults with guns who have no respect for life and are worried about other people playing their music loud for two minutes while your white trash girlfriend is getting more wine for you to get drunk with. Now he's charged with murder, how irritating is that?

 

[pat grimshaw]

.... for two minutes ...

Did you just invent that detail?

 

[xbuzzerx]

More irritating are adults with guns who have no respect for life and are worried about other people playing their music loud for two minutes while your white trash girlfriend is getting more wine for you to get drunk with. Now he's charged with murder, how irritating is that?

Yeah people with guns who GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to confront someone while carrying a weapon and from all appearances INTENDING to create a confrontation, and then going "oh I felt threatened, I stood my ground and shot them." That's what happened with Trayvon and it most certainly looks like what happened here too.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

More irritating are adults with guns who have no respect for life and are worried about other people playing their music loud for two minutes while your white trash girlfriend is getting more wine for you to get drunk with. Now he's charged with murder, how irritating is that?

Those teens are never going to play loud music in that neighborhood anymore...

 

[Beachguyj]

Another good point I saw on another site is that they guy fled and hid and tried to get away with it, there is no way that can called stand your ground, if it was he would have called 911 and explained what happened.

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Those teens are never going to play loud music in that neighborhood anymore...

Maybe they won't, maybe they will, and others might. Loud music is not a death sentence in the US.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Another good point I saw on another site is that they guy fled and hid and tried to get away with it, there is no way that can called stand your ground, if it was he would have called 911 and explained what happened.

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Maybe they won't, maybe they will, and others might. Loud music is not a death sentence in the US.

It's completely and utterly legal before 11pm.

 

[ixthrock]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought stand your ground was meant to protect those who kill someone while protecting themselves or their homes - regardless of the race of either party. If it is being exploited or misused in the court system, that's another problem entirely. It doesn't sound like the law really applies in this case; the shooter's attempt to use it as a defense should play out as recognizably bogus - our court systems doing the job they were designed to do.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought stand your ground was meant to protect those who kill someone while protecting themselves or their homes - regardless of the race of either party. If it is being exploited or misused in the court system, that's another problem entirely. It doesn't sound like the law really applies in this case; the shooter's attempt to use it as a defense should play out as recognizably bogus - our court systems doing the job they were designed to do.

I believe stand your ground covers shooting someone out in a public place. The law already recognizes the right to self defense in the home without needing a special stand your ground law.

 

[BFizzle]

I sincerely doubt it was as simple as that.

The fact of the matter is he was a defenseless teenager. The article even says he was shot and killed in the backseat of the vehicle, which would suggest that he didn't get physical with Dunn first. Even if he did threaten him verbally that in no way warrants a shooting.

I just hope it doesn't take as long to prosecute Dunn as it did with Zimmerman, and hopefully we can get these gun laws under control.

 

[pat grimshaw]

…I thought stand your ground was meant to protect those …

Lawyer Robin Lemonidis didn't indicate if she would use Florida's Stand Your Ground law to defend her client
http://global.christianpost.com/new...-martin-comparison-85742/#thzyA0U5pHs9sh4T.99

 

[Beachguyj]

Shot in the back seat. I think we may have found Biggie and Tupac's killer, didn't know he was a serial killer til now.

 

[Ninja108]

This shooting happened because he got pisted off and nothing more. No way Stand Your Ground applies here in any way shape or form.

 

[The Fly]

So far, nobody knows what was said between the two of them. What, if any, threats were made by whom, towards whom.
So all we know at this point is, an asshole with a gun, met an asshole with a loud stereo...........GUN WON!!!
This isn't about racism, it's just another senceless killing. Funny how when a black person kills a white person you don't hear a peep about racism, hmmm, I wonder why.

 

[xbuzzerx]

So far, nobody knows what was said between the two of them. What, if any, threats were made by whom, towards whom.
So all we know at this point is, an asshole with a gun, met an asshole with a loud stereo...........GUN WON!!!
This isn't about racism, it's just another senceless killing. Funny how when a black person kills a white person you don't hear a peep about racism, hmmm, I wonder why.

Yes, you're right. They just chaulk it up to yet more black criminals what can you expect really.

Racism is certainly never, ever involved.

 

[DigitalFudge]

The fact of the matter is he was a defenseless teenager. The article even says he was shot and killed in the backseat of the vehicle, which would suggest that he didn't get physical with Dunn first. Even if he did threaten him verbally that in no way warrants a shooting.

I just hope it doesn't take as long to prosecute Dunn as it did with Zimmerman, and hopefully we can get these gun laws under control.

Yas show them to their seat

Funny how when a black person kills a white person you don't hear a peep about racism, hmmm, I wonder why.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Lotta opinions, but no one is addressing the statistics by the Department of Justice.

The case is not made that this one-off is in any way typical of the average killing of a black male in Florida, or even in the US.

Although it is outrageous, the outrage here is still about race, which is not the rampant crime against teen blacks that is the implied problem.

Disparage, ridicule, use schoolyard epithets, but address the stats. This case is not typical.

You could just as easily pick some hit-and-run crime and then try to portray it as systemically a problem, when it is not.

Because if you take the lionshare of typical black-on-black crime it's going to involve robbery, people who are involved in drugs or the drug trade, or similar.

When a white guy goes up to black kids playing music and ends up shooting them of course it's going to stand out more than if we hear a shooting occurred during a drug deal gone bad or a drug addict who was robbering a 7-11. Because it's utterly senseless and there's no comprehensible reason why it happened other than for us to question if this guy was a racist or was looking to create a violent confrontation. Why in the world in an argument about music with some teenagers would you feel the need to pull out your gun and shoot them? When they were SITTING IN A CAR, no less? It's not like these kids were shoving him around and making him feel physically threatened.

 

[Kahaih]

I read that Dunn is claiming that he saw a gun barrel displayed or pointed at him through a window ????

Haven’t heard any more about that, though, nor have I heard of any other arrests in this case.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Again, there is no defense of this killing, even if the teens in some way verbally provoked the altercation that then escalated. But, your assumption that the senseless factor makes for outrage doesn't make good sense to me.

Whereas it IS senseless to kill for a petty argument, if we knew the motivations of the referenced black-on-black teen murders, they would likewise be senseless to most people too.

Racial murder is senseless. Drug deal murders are senseless. Ego and testosterone motivated murders are senseless. Fights over girlfriends ending in murder are senseless. Murders committed during theft are senseless.

My point remains that the great number of other senseless killings are appalling and a stain on our culture even more than the much more rare racist killing, if indeed this was about race or culture clash. And yeah, it is sad that someone would attempt a stand-your-ground defense, but lawyers often do outrageous strategies. Even if the killer was somehow able to get off with this unreasonable defense, it wouldn't make it typical, and it wouldn't outshadow all the tragedy of black-on-black murders.

Somehow, it is fashionable on JUB to pick a state like Florida, make generalizations about the entire populace based on a crime like this, and then portray it as some kind of hotbed of racial conflict. There must be a more compelling argument than one case. And, it seems ironic that taking offense at racism in a case like this then becomes the basis to stereotype Floridians. Think about it.

I'm sorry, but this post is nonsense. Yes, to a normal, law-abiding citizen, dying in a drug trade is senseless. But that murder didn't happen randomly as one guy walking up to another one with seemingly no reason and shooting him.

You are trying to apples and apples two situations that are clearly apples and oranges.

Oh and P.S.? Florida does have a horrible track record. If I casually think back on almost every random no motivation killing of a foreign tourist or black kid I've heard in the last decade or so, at least half of them were in Florida. No, no one has said everyone in Florida is an insane racist who shoots minorities on sight. But this kind of case comes slightly on the heels of the Trayvon case and you seriously want us to put an injunction order on talking about what might be going on with Florida and its laws specifically that might be setting the stage for these kinds of situations to happen? Too bad.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Cite numbers.

I could post all day and call you epithets, but I posted statistics. You have posted none.

Far from "who cares", my posts are arguing that promoting propaganda that portrays the state of inter-racial violence, while ignoring the much higher rate of black on black killing, is simply a dishonest portrayal of the big problem that faces a black male today in terms of greater exposure to violent death.

Many, many, many more black males are killed every year by their own race. Why is that not an even greater problem? Why?

Howl at the moon, jibe as a kid, but you simply haven't attempted to explain why the greater number of black deaths at the hands of other blacks gets NO discussion or outrage on JUB, but the white-on-black killing becomes center stage as if it were typical.

Address the statistics.

I have to agree with GC here... you're turning this into "oh but you can't care about this issue because we have to talk about the whole volume of total causes of black deaths." That's just whitewashing, seriously. This topic is about on-black violence in Florida which appears to be empowered, or at the very least potentially legally defensible by, Florida's standing self-defense laws. Regardless of the intent of these laws they are engendering a vigilante mindset where trigger happy people are initiating confrontations with "threatening" (black) people and then shooting them and saying they felt threatened/shot them in self-defense. Yes, Florida's laws are playing a role here. Yes, race is playing a role here. This is not a thread about heart disease or sickle cell anemia or traffic accidents and how many black people are killed by those things. You are just trying to obfuscate the issue at hand with that line of reasoning.

 

[Taralen]

I find it funny.

A few months back, when that asshole shot all those people, (who were all races) in the batman theatre, no anti white, or racial remarks were made of the event. Just to add, he's labeled as a mental case and psychopath.

However, in what many are calling Trayvon Martin part 2, it's racist white man this and thug hoodlum black boy that.

That's all I have to point out for now. This story is still sort of new and nobody knows the full story.

Killing is killing. I don't care if the victim was purple and the shooter was yellow. If it was race related or not, killing is wrong.