Attack on Canadian Parliament...

[Effortless_Pro]

Interesting these attacks we've had, just before the PM tables his Anti-Terrorism bill...

 

[thewiz]

One of my good friend's (and former classmate) son served on the honor guard at the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery. The precision and pride that those assigned that duty are to be honored so I am saddened to hear the loss of another hero in Canada. The greatest challenge is they are quite front and center and quite open to the elements and, now it would seem, those intent on killing.

Our son is a captain in the Army and I worry about him in public and traveling; I called him today and asked that when he, his wife and our new granddaughter visit over the holidays that they come as tourists. I have great pride in what he has done and what he is doing but these attacks cause me worry.

To our Canadian brothers and sisters, we shall have you in our prayers and hearts tonight and always....

 

[Telstra]

Funny how some people say Islamic state is not Islam.
And some asked which part of Islamic state is not Islamic and which part is Islamic ?

 

[LeicsDom]

Funny how some people say Islamic state is not Islam.
And some asked which part of Islamic state is not Islamic and which part is Islamic ?

IS is Islam to the n'th degree
Like all extreme religious groups they have parsed the very worst of their religious teachings to their own ends

 

[pat grimshaw]

Anwar al-Awlaki, the man from New Mexico who became al-Qaeda's best terrorist operator advised that mass bombings were too complicated. He advised the young Jihadists to act as 'lone wolfs'.

He advised Nidal Malik Hasan to kill 13 people at at Fort Hood, Texas in 2009. And his advice was taken by the Tsarnaev Brothers and the two killers in Canada.

 

[Kabluey]

Seeing a breathless and excited Wolf Blitzer on CNN sure reminds you how much cable news and terrorists thrive off each other.
You can almost hear the high-fiving over the ratings.

 

[bankside]

If JUB is the source, remember that the Right is largely missing from a gay site and that the Center is often silent. Canada is hardly bereft of a vast middle of the country that is more like the Midwest in the U.S. As in America, the East Coast metropolitan areas often conceive of the real ID of the country as defined by their norms, minus the quaint or throwback culture found in the more pedestrian rural areas.

Noooo, that's not quite right. Geographically and politically, that needs at least some adjustment...

The "east coast" is largely rural and remote The two significant costal cities would be Halifax and St. John's which might fairly be described as quaint in the minds of most Canadians. Metro Halifax has less than half a million people; St. John's, less than 200 000. The centre of gravity in Canadian demography and politics is the southeastern bit of Ontario, sandwiched between Michigan, Oho, Pennsylvania, and New York.

There is some of the east-west tension you refer to, which comes out even in geographical terminology: this portion of Canada is clearly in the east, but the locals there would call it "central Canada" much to the annoyance of people in the western provinces who know that the centre of Canada is actually west of Winnipeg and these Ontarians are really "easterners." While a Winnipegger will proudly tell you that Manitoba is "keystone province" at the centre of it all, they will be just as quick to tell you they are "westerners" as opposed to the people an hour across the border in Ontario who are "easterners."

A bit of the same reality distortion field based in early colonial settlement patterns applies, I think, that would see the "US Midwest" composed largely of states that are actually "US Mid-Northeast" to anyone with a map and eyes.

Anyway fixing the terminology ("east coast" ain't it) doesn't really go to your point about there being a split.

But there too I have to differ. Canada is an overwhelmingly urban country. About half the country lives in just 6 cities, and despite subscribing to different regionalised "mythology" about their place in the country, and despite everyone piling on to bring the "Toronto Ego" down to size, urbanites generally agree on policy, and generally get their way.

Alberta is commonly derided as the "bible belt province" or the "texas of canada" or the "province of redneck hick-towns." The first meeting in the schedule of our newest Premier was with the (gay) director for the Institute of Sexual Minority Studies at the University of Alberta, and the mayor of our largest city is the son of muslim immigrants.

We are actually sort of bereft of that bulk of people you're thinking of. The right of Canadian politics is not all that far from my own positions. In Alberta I'm a centrist to centre-left. On the national stage, my fellow Canadians would probably call me centre-right.

 

[bankside]

How terrible. For some reason I thought that gun laws in Canada were really strict, but in doing a little reading just now they don't seem to be as much as I'd originally thought.

Canadians certainly have access to guns for legal purposes, but there are restrictions on the types available, storage and transport. Lots of Americans on the way to Alaska are surprised to discover that you can't just nonchalantly keep your favourite gun in the glove compartment of your car without getting it confiscated.

There is a big legal difference at the constitutional level: there just is no automatic right to own a gun, and Canadian law recognizes that. People have guns because our laws allow it, but we have perfect legal and constitutional freedom to vote for a government that would restrict guns even more: Canadians get what we vote for on this subject from one election to the next, and our laws do allow access to guns for practical reasons.

What is profoundly different is the "gun mentality" in Canada compared to the US. The rate of gun ownership is a third of the US rate. And to Canadians the idea that "Oh yeah guns keep us safe" just seems kind of delusional. We're happy to leave the shooting to the trained professionals, from whom we expect integrity and skill as part of their professional responsibilities.

 

[Kabluey]

A relevant data point would be how many are caught versus how many travel.

True - although to be fair, that only counts for people driving to Canada and Mexico - you can't hop on a plane with a gun anyway.

 

[roadtripboy]

I saw this tribute on another site this morning.

I found it to be very moving.

 

[Telstra]

But that is like parsing out whether Telly represents Australia or not. He puts "Australia" as his location, yet he may not even be a citizen of the country, only a resident.

And his posts are ubiquitous. Is it fair to tar all Australian's with Telly's views, his offenses, or his inadequacies? Should the reader ignore Ravenstar, Ozguy, Anders123, Glasvegas, Taz, and others if they are just less memorable than more outrageous deeds done by an attention-seeking Telly?

The effort to discredit ISIS as THE representation of Islam is a valid reminder that a prominent minority is not representative of a less observed majority. Islam is not beheading Western journalists and aid workers, a fractional radicalized element is. It would be just as unfair to assume Australians are dim and incapable of logical deductions just because Telly's posts are often typically presenting that face of ONE Australian.

Islamic state fight and die for Islam.
Which part of it is not Islam ?

I know most Muslims reject Islamic state BUT they are still Islamic.

 

[sokker]

What happened in Canada is terribly sad, but lets put it into perspective. More people are killed in traffic every day. The lone gunman is not a threat anymore. ISIS is still a fucked up religion/organization/whatever it is. But please do not get it mixed up with the REAL Islam. I work with muslims, they are just like you and me. The women don't even wear a hijab. Most muslims are NOT like the ISIS freaks. The muslims I work with are just as horrified with them as we are.

Don't get me wrong, ISIS is a threat and need to be dealt with, but do not paint every muslim with the same brush. Most muslims are upstanding citizens, who work and pay taxes like everyone else.

I also need to remind you that one of the worst mass shootings in history was done by a right wing extremist. Fact is extremism is bad, no matter where it comes from.

 

[JoeJoe-P]

The chickens have come home to roost according to Glenn Greenwald

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...r-12-years-shocked-someone-attacked-soldiers/

 

[Telstra]

Lucky must muslims don't agree with Islamic state.

Example:
Which part of David Koresh teaching was not Christianity ?
It was more than 100% Christianity but most people don't agree with the teaching.

 

[gsdx]

^ Koresh was the leader of a cult, as were Jim Jones, Shoko Asahara (Tokyo subway), Marshall Applewhite (Heaven's Gate), Charles Manson, and so on. In their eyes, their religions (created by themselves) were the only ones that mattered, and anyone who got in the way needed to die. Most of the members of these cults were willing to kill for their leaders and even die for them. This new 'cult' did not invent terrorism. It's been going on for a very long time through many religions.

 

[Telstra]

Koresh and Jim Jones were more than 100% Christianity.
Yes they are cults but still Christianity.

 

[gsdx]

Koresh and Jim Jones were more than 100% Christianity.
Yes they are cults but still Christianity.

No, they weren't. They were their own 'invented' versions of Christianity, just like other cults, and it doesn't have to be Christianity. That's why they are cults:

: a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

 

[gsdx]

OTTAWA - Lawyer Barbara Winters was headed to a meeting Wednesday near her office at the Canada Revenue Agency when she passed the National War Memorial, stopping to snap a few pictures of the two honour guards standing soberly at attention.

Moments later, after passing by a Canada Post office at the corner of Elgin and Sparks streets, she heard four shots. For Winters, a former member of the Canadian Forces Naval Reserve, the sounds were unmistakable.

Turning, she saw people on Elgin Street ducking. She began to run — not towards safety, but towards the shots, and the wounded soldier lying at the foot of the memorial.

As Winters ran, she looked for — but couldn't see — the two soldiers. Her mind went to the hit-and-run death in Quebec of Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent two days earlier, and she instinctively knew the honour guards had been targeted.

As she reached the memorial, Winters saw four people bending over a fallen soldier. She dropped her purse and briefcase on the steps and began to help.

Margaret Lerhe, a nurse on her way to work at the Elizabeth Bruyere Hospital, was pressing her hands to a wound on Cpl. Nathan Cirillo's left side to stanch the bleeding.

Another corporal, a third member of the honour guard who accompanies the two standing at attention, was on Cirillo's right side, pressing his hands to a wound there.

Another soldier was bent over Cirillo's head, talking to him.

"You're doing good, you're doing good, buddy," he told Cirillo. "You're breathing — keep breathing."

Another passerby was at Cirillo's feet. Winters, who served as a medic during her 17 years in the Naval Reserve, asked the man to elevate Cirillo's feet. She loosened his tie.

The group began calling for an ambulance, and for police. Winters began to pray, reciting the Lord's Prayer. She talked to Cirillo. He was conscious; his eyes were open, and he was staring straight ahead. She felt that he could hear her.

"You're a good man, you're a brave man," she told him.

Someone — Winters can't remember who — said the soldier had stopped breathing.

They began trying to find a pulse, one feeling his neck, one his wrist. Remarkably, everyone on the scene had First Aid or medical training. Instinctively, they began operating as a team, talking and encouraging one another.

They began CPR. The soldier at Cirillo's head started mouth-to-mouth respiration. Winters began compressing Cirillo's chest. She asked that the man holding Cirillo's legs lift them higher. Lerhe, the nurse, coached Winters on the compressions, reassuring her that they were strong.

After a time, someone else relieved her on the chest compressions, and Winters moved to Cirillo's head. She talked to him, comforting him.

"You are loved. Your family loves you. You're a good man," she told him.

Winters told Cirillo to think about what he was doing — that he'd been standing guard at the National War Memorial. She told him what a good man he was for doing his duty.

She didn't see a wedding ring, and didn't know if he was married. So she just kept repeating:

"Your family loves you. Your parents are so proud of you. Your military family loves you. All the people here, we're working so hard for you. Everybody loves you."

The impromptu team kept waiting for an ambulance, desperately willing Cirillo to hang on.

"You are so loved," Winters told Cirillo. "We're all trying to help you."

Sirens signalled the arrival of the paramedics. The soldier at Cirillo's head stood up to give them access. Winters took over doing mouth-to-mouth, her body prone over Cirillo's, her feet resting on the fallen soldier's empty rifle.

The paramedics cut open his clothes to assess the injuries, took over the chest compressions and put a neck brace on him. As they worked, Lerhe relayed information about his injuries.

But Cirillo died in the arms of the people working so hard to keep him alive.

Full report and video: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/loved-ottawa-lawyer-describes-trying-save-cpl-nathan-194142676.html

 

[mikemizanin729]

Lucky must muslims don't agree with Islamic state.

Example:
Which part of David Koresh teaching was not Christianity ?
It was more than 100% Christianity but most people don't agree with the teaching.

I think them Christians are into teaching too much.

 

[Telstra]

No, they weren't. They were their own 'invented' versions of Christianity, just like other cults, and it doesn't have to be Christianity. That's why they are cults:



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

Joel Osteen invented his own version of Christianity.
There are tame cults and dangerous cults. Tame cults are the majority.