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Bachmann will drive oil price below $2 a gallon

I'm thinking the smart thing to do would be to gradually increase the gas tax to around $2/gallon $0.10 at a time over 10 years or so. No matter what they charge, people can't really avoid buying it, so the price is going to be high either way. At least this way, the money goes to the government so it can be used for public good, rather than the oil companies.
 
Why cant Bachmann do it?

Gasoline was less than $2.00 a gallon when Obama's term begin.

Bush did it and Bachmann can do it.

Just because Obama couldnt do keep the price low, it doesnt mean everybody else is incompetent.

Because there are half a billion more cars, hundreds of more trains, dozens of new oil-burning electrical power plants, and many, many millions of people buying things made of plastic than before.

This is called "demand". Demand drives the price up.


I'll let someone else tackle the lie about the two "B" Republicans.
 
I'm thinking the smart thing to do would be to gradually increase the gas tax to around $2/gallon $0.10 at a time over 10 years or so. No matter what they charge, people can't really avoid buying it, so the price is going to be high either way. At least this way, the money goes to the government so it can be used for public good, rather than the oil companies.

Increasing the tax won't change what goes to the oil companies.

Government loans to people to start up "anything to oil" and other energy sources could, because it would keep energy prices lower -- if gas for cars can be made from trash at under $4/gallon, that's going to have an affect on the price of oil.

And the ONLY thing gas taxes should go to is roads.
 
Driving down the price of any finite commodity by increasing supply sounds like a good idea only to the selfish and myopic.

It is short-term fix which solves nothing but satisfy the avarice of the current generation on Earth.

Do you mean that energy independence is "avarice"?

Or maybe the desire to be able to afford to drive to work is "avarice"?


BTW, the supply is not finite: we can manufacture oil.
 
Europeans, nearly all of whom by the way are between .8 and .9 on the human development index, get by just fine on gas prices way over what Americans pay.

Americans can afford it and energy independence on oil in the United States has not been possible since the mid-70s, so it's ridiculous to even try on that basis.



You have manufactured oil in your vehicle?

Here's a better one:

Do you even know of a commercial fuel station in the US where you could get it?

Europeans in general don't have to drive as far as Americans. If I only had to drive four miles to get to my conservation project, I wouldn't mind $6/gal gas, until it came to vacation time.

I'm not sure the manufactured oil in the country is available to the public; last I read, it was being sold directly to a company for its fleet of trucks.

But the process can be tuned to give diesel, heating oil, even jet fuel. We could be turning our trash to oil and buying that much less from foreigners, especially foreigners that fund terrorists.
 
I filled up with 40 litres of unleaded petrol last week, and it cost me £53.56

53.56 GBP = 88.4931 USD (1 GBP = 1.65222 USD)

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It is now 25% more expensive than it was two and a half years ago

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So 4 miles, isn't that possible by bike? If you're working in conservation, you're probably interested in the environment. If you're using petrol or diesel you're causing emissions into the air and harming the ecosystem. Bike and save petrol, save money, reduce demand on oil and limited natural resources that are carbon emitters. Take the public transport if you have to.

These are the sorts of reasoning the government here are trying to coax the people to follow. You probably see it as nanny state interference.

As for making fuel, well, diesel engines with slight modifications can run on chip pan oil. Albeit processed chip pan oil. In Japan, they're already doing it. This is a good way of reusing cooking oil after its served its usefulness as a cooking ingredient. I think though that raising crops to make bio-oil just takes up valuable land which could better be used for growing food. The reliance on imported food is alarming. Why do you want other countries to grow food to ship in? Transportation costs alone are one factor to think local grown is best.

Selfish reasons are always the ones that holds us back. We need our cars because it is how we've always travelled, its convenience over public transport means we save time for ourselves.

We can't afford the gas prices in the US, but the Europeans can because they don't travel that far is a crock of shit argument and you know it.
 

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ANY SINGLE POLITICIAN WHO THINKS THEY CAN REDUCE THE PRICE OF GASOLINE BY 40% IS COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL! I'd say the same thing if Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) was running for President. This is FAR bigger than any politician.

They've calculated that there's between 3-4 billion barrels of oil in N. Dakota and Montana. That's about a years supply for the US.

Mr. Corsi, the author of the article is a right wing kook. But I checked the information on Snopes and it is legitimate.

Now Obama has decreed that cars shall average 53 miles per gallon. Sounds great, right? Now how many fat American asses are going to fit in these tiny little cars?
Excellent post, Jack! As you know, I don't always agree with you...you don't know that you drove home a point I've been making for years.

All of that huge amount of oil under North Dakota and Montana is..."about a years supply for the US." The oil fields are said to be huge, and when I was in Dickinson ND late spring last year, the whole town was overrun by people wearing Halliburton jackets, etc. All of this for a one-year supply...THAT doesn't last long, does it? (and that's a one year supply for the US, not for the world.) It took MILLIONS OF YEARS for the oil to be made. The process is so slow, that it is de facto a non-renewable resource - same thing with coal, which is basically the same stuff which has been metamorphosed into rock. I've been saying for years that humans had damn well better figure out a replacement for petroleum, because it is NOT going to last forever. I also remember hearing somewhere that the reserves under The ANWR in Alaska would serve the world demand for six months or something. If reserves that large can be exhausted by world demand in only a few months, how much does the Middle East and Russia, combined, have? Perhaps 30 or 50 years? Humans are going to need oil sources TEN TO TWENTY THOUSAND years from now!! We need to get out ass in gear, and I say that collectively from a world view, rather than using the easy solution of drill, baby, drill like there's [STRIKE]no tomorrow[/STRIKE] an infinite supply of tomorrows.

So, like two of the largest oil reserves known to exist in the United States, added together, might supply the world for ONE YEAR or so?

Whether the guy is a right wing kook or what, he's saying what needs to be said...I guess. Not having read the book, I'm not sure of his context. Is he saying that even something big like the huge north-central oil field won't last long and we'd better work on alternatives, or is he saying that there's tons of oil out there that will last longer than we can imagine? From that "a years supply" statement, I assume NOT the latter.

I'm a little bit afraid about the 53 MPG average for the U. S. automotive fleet. I easily imagine cars being blown entirely off the road into ditches, trees, or oncoming traffic in wind gusts from "garden variety" heavy storms, or people six-foot two or weighing 274 pounds being entirely cramped, and virtually no space to schlep anything at all around (the half-hour supermarket trip fills your car to the brim with groceries), etc.

You have to also consider the business side, do you really think oil companies want gas prices low? Considering how inelastic oil actually is, they know they can charge basically w/e they want almost to the point of price fixing.

^^THIS^^ [UNSUPPORTED OPINION]If petrol reached $20 per gallon in the US suddenly, consumption would fall probably no more than 40%.[/UNSUPPORTED OPINION] People still need to get to work and shop and stuff, and most places in the US have deplorable and substandard, or nonexistent, public transit.

Somebody else, whose quote somehow didn't carry over into this post, mentioned that the falling U. S. dollar makes oil artificially expensive here as well. (But what I CANNOT figure out is...HOW is it that the Dollar is stronger against the Euro and the £ than it was two or three years ago?? That makes no sense to me. Two or three years ago the £ was approximately $2 US, and recently the £ was closer to $1.45 a few weeks ago when I bought something on ebay. Has the European currency market fallen even more?)

Driving down the price of any finite commodity by increasing supply sounds like a good idea only to the selfish and myopic.

It is short-term fix which solves nothing but satisfy the avarice of the current generation on Earth.
Yes, I sort of covered this above as well. These few generations (probably including the youngest generation which is either recently born, or will be born in the next five or ten years) seem committed to running the planet out of oil forever, as quickly as they can. Demand from places such as China, Africa, Indonesia, India, etc. hasn't fully ramped up yet. (Even some of the producing nations, such as Saudi Arabia and Russia, have the potential to "develop" into much higher levels of demand as well.)
 
It is so funny to read these replies.

When George Bush left office, gas was under $2.00 a gallon.

Now two and a half years later, posters are claiming this is impossible.

Dont you get it, Obama is the worst President since Carter.

What does Carter and Obama have in common? high gas prices.

Kick Obama out of office and the price of gas will fall.
 
Gas was not $1.79 when Obama took office. If it was, where was I? Ever since hurricane Katrina I have not seen gas prices here in Georgia go below $2.15.
 
Gas was not $1.79 when Obama took office. If it was, where was I? Ever since hurricane Katrina I have not seen gas prices here in Georgia go below $2.15.

Gas was under $2.00 a gallon on January 20, 2009.

Please do a simple google search.
 
Gas was over $4.00 a gallon during the last summer of the Bush Administration. Prices dropped dramatically when the financial sector began to collapse.

http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

Yes, wasnt Bush a great President.

He made lemonade out of lemons.

Now we are in another recession caused by Obama and he can not even lower gas prices.

What a doofus.
 
So 4 miles, isn't that possible by bike? If you're working in conservation, you're probably interested in the environment. If you're using petrol or diesel you're causing emissions into the air and harming the ecosystem. Bike and save petrol, save money, reduce demand on oil and limited natural resources that are carbon emitters. Take the public transport if you have to.

By bike -- well, first, if it WERE only four miles, that would be a thought. Except I'd end up doing half of it walking, because the grade on most of the hills involved is enough I can't pedal that any more -- but then, I would have to go back to driving, because the only way to walk my bike would be to walk in the ditch and roll my bike on the 6" shoulder. But even if it were flat -- I don't think anyone makes a bicycle trailer big enough for four trash cans, a stack of broken concrete blocks or broken rock, four 25-gal tubs of soil, a 5-gal container of water, and a number of 3.5-gal buckets for moving things around in out at the project.

Public transport? They wouldn't even let me bring my containers of tools -- pick, shovel, rake, axe, 8-lb hammer, clippers, stakes, rope..... Besides, they run once a day, period.

These are the sorts of reasoning the government here are trying to coax the people to follow. You probably see it as nanny state interference.

Actually, the nanny-state interference with my project that I see is the government claiming authority over a wide swath of private property just because water runs down that slope to or from the road, so I have to jump through silly hoops just to take care of work that in the end is actually their responsibility (e.g. keeping the hillside from collapsing on the road, keeping the road drainage ditch in existence, preventing the road from collapsing due to erosion -- all things that have become part of the project just to keep the main point, the safe access trail, sound) -- though it wouldn't hurt if they'd actually also do their job and give us roads with lanes wider than 8' plus paved shoulders wider than 3" and gravel shoulders wider than 6".

As for making fuel, well, diesel engines with slight modifications can run on chip pan oil. Albeit processed chip pan oil. In Japan, they're already doing it. This is a good way of reusing cooking oil after its served its usefulness as a cooking ingredient. I think though that raising crops to make bio-oil just takes up valuable land which could better be used for growing food. The reliance on imported food is alarming. Why do you want other countries to grow food to ship in? Transportation costs alone are one factor to think local grown is best.

Yes, and the local tourist train runs on re-processed used motor oil collected from auto garages and such (or people can drop theirs off).

As for growing oil, we have a plant here that a local kid, in a project that went to the global science fair competition, showed can be turned into diesel -- and it's a pest plant, on top of that, one that's been spreading for over a century and destroying habitat (it can get dense enough to choke out rabbit trails, on top of choking out what rabbits eat). We also have a native plant that grows like crazy and contains enough oil in the leaves that it would make a very rich feedstock for....

well, as I said, "anything to oil", which would turn our common trash into oil -- and not so common, as well; it was demonstrated that carcasses of animals with mad cow disease, rabies, bubonic, and other nasty afflictions can be dumped in the feed end and come out with no trace of the viral or bacterial presence (not just disease, but presence: all DNA is cooked down into its component fragments [don't let the mob get their hands on one of those plants!]).

Selfish reasons are always the ones that holds us back. We need our cars because it is how we've always travelled, its convenience over public transport means we save time for ourselves.

Cars aren't "how I've always traveled". I resisted owning a vehicle until it became necessary -- a daily 40+ -mile commute by bicycle isn't realistic, or even a 12-mile commute when I have over half a ton of supplies to haul.

When it exists, I love public transport, because THAT is when I get time for myself -- instead of being trapped in traffic, "rolling in line", fighting something akin to claustrophobia, I can open my laptop and write or tackle yet another free cell game. But if I relied on public transport around here, I'd spend well over an hour a day on foot just getting to the bus stops, and be extremely limited in how much I can do anywhere -- the only places it goes to on a useful enough schedule to be able to actually put in even a half-day of work are within walking distance, anyway (I don't understand why people spend $2 to go 3/4 of a mile -- which reminds me; to get to my conservation and safety project and back by public transport would cost almost as much as driving it myself, and get me there with no supplies and no tools).

We can't afford the gas prices in the US, but the Europeans can because they don't travel that far is a crock of shit argument and you know it.

They don't -- just look at a map. I know lots of people who travel fifty or more miles a day one-way to go to work. I know a few who travel over a hundred. I know very few people who can get to work using public transport, because public transport won't get them to those places, or won't get them there on a schedule that will let them keep a job.

I've lived places where the nearest grocery store is twenty-five miles away, the nearest doctor seventy-five.

Europeans are crowded together. Except for the big metropolitan areas, the U.S. isn't. Doubling our gas prices would be a death warrant for thousands of small towns -- there are places now where vendors will no longer deliver, thanks to gas prices; thinking about those prices doubling is frightening.
 
Gas was over $4.00 a gallon during the last summer of the Bush Administration. Prices dropped dramatically when the financial sector began to collapse.

http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

Thank you.

In other words, the way Bush got us lower gas prices was to crash the world economy.

The only way anyone is going to get prices down to $2/gal again is to send it into a total depression, with 35% unemployment the norm, 20% of the populace homeless, etc. -- and that might not even work.
 
^Opie, justapixel is so extreme that I've pondered the possibility that he might be a Democratic sockpuppet.

Is this possible?

Lord help him if he's not.

I sometimes entertain the notion that he's actually a computer program written by Cal Tech students to simulate a neocon true believer. Success would constitute a major breakthrough: a logic-based system simulating illogic.
 
Re: Bachmann will drive oil price below $2 a barrel

Jackaroe, it's not fixable in the long term because 1) oil's finite and 2) massive, burgeoning demand in China.

Not a pretty picture.

Don't forget India -- they're starting to put cars on the roads at an incredible rate as well.

I heard a talking head say China and India together, since Obama took office, have put as many new cars on their roads as the total of number of cars in use in the US -- and are likely to do it again before the next presidential inaugural.

It made me wonder if anyone has looked into putting floating solar farms out in the ocean -- make electricity and cool the ocean at the same time, and run electric cars instead of internal combustion.
 
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