Bank Account Doesn’t Show Enough “Activity” To Get a Voter ID

[JayHawk]

Any barriers at all placed in the path of people who want to vote are suspect. That employees are not instructed to explain that if a voter card is wanted, to check the box, suggests the instructions were created with intent to make voting more difficult.

It is not a barrier. In no way. Can peole from iran vote in our elections? How bout folks from Canada? How do you know? Just cross your fingers and hope?

It is simply a registration with a id attached.... the lack of one in many states is by far more suspect and ignorant. You do register in some method and manner in Oregon right? DO you just have to hump a tree and your in the club?

Seriously.

They can't be shut out for not having an address -- that's unconstitutional discrimination.

Homeless people in Oregon can vote without an address. Not having procedures to make sure everyone who wants to can vote suggests intent to not want everyone to vote.

SO in other words you need really no actual identity to vote in Oregon. Hmmm I will have to remember that for future rigging of elections.

 

[Yngbldhwk]

I live in WI and yes, our new voter ID law is the most restrictive in the nation.

It costs around $20 to obtain a voter ID. In order to get around the problem of this fee being a poll tax, which it otherwise would be, the DMV will issue a free ID card but only if the requestor specifically asks for one. Not all voters -- or potential voters -- realize that this is an option.

In addition to the ID card, every voter will also have to sign their name in a poll book, increasing the time it takes to vote, and the length of the lines at polling places.

In order to pay for the new IDs and the associated costs of implementation, the state will now be on the hook for an additional $6 million. So much for reducing the cost of government.

Almost all student IDs, such as those provided by the University of Wisconsin, won't be sufficient to meet the new law, which should effectively reduce the votes of students who tend to vote Democratic.

In a lot of rural areas, the DMV is many miles away and only open one afternoon per month, further discouraging people such as the elderly who might be inclined to vote Democratic but who no longer have an active drivers license.

Characteristically, the Republicans have also decided to close around 16 DMV offices across the state.

As far as reducing voter fraud, the last numbers I saw showed that there were more cases of people reporting a UFO sighting in WI than actual, provable fraud.

Even the most partisan person can see that this has little to do with preventing voter fraud and everything to do with reducing the number of votes for one party. It's the law now, but it's one I think is unjust and unnecessary. And I would say exactly the same thing if it were affecting voters inclined to vote Republican. But it isn't.

 

[BostonPirate]

I live in WI and yes, our new voter ID law is the most restrictive in the nation.

It costs around $20 to obtain a voter ID. In order to get around the problem of this fee being a poll tax, which it otherwise would be, the DMV will issue a free ID card but only if the requestor specifically asks for one. Not all voters -- or potential voters -- realize that this is an option.

In addition to the ID card, every voter will also have to sign their name in a poll book, increasing the time it takes to vote, and the length of the lines at polling places.

In order to pay for the new IDs and the associated costs of implementation, the state will now be on the hook for an additional $6 million. So much for reducing the cost of government.

Almost all student IDs, such as those provided by the University of Wisconsin, won't be sufficient to meet the new law, which should effectively reduce the votes of students who tend to vote Democratic.

In a lot of rural areas, the DMV is many miles away and only open one afternoon per month, further discouraging people such as the elderly who might be inclined to vote Democratic but who no longer have an active drivers license.

Characteristically, the Republicans have also decided to close around 16 DMV offices across the state.

As far as reducing voter fraud, the last numbers I saw showed that there were more cases of people reporting a UFO sighting in WI than actual, provable fraud.

Even the most partisan person can see that this has little to do with preventing voter fraud and everything to do with reducing the number of votes for one party. It's the law now, but it's one I think is unjust and unnecessary. And I would say exactly the same thing if it were affecting voters inclined to vote Republican. But it isn't.

will all this be changed back to normal once the recall is over and the sorry lot of them are gone?

 

[Yngbldhwk]

BostonPirate: That's a good question and I wish I knew the answer but I don't. I tend to think that now that the law is on the books, it will probably remain, especially considering the precedent set in Indiana. Indiana's law, however, is less restrictive than Wisconsin's.

Having said that, I also expect the WI state senate to tilt back to the Democrats once the recall elections are over, effectively breaking the Republican lock on that branch of government.

The most recent poll for Mr. Walker shows that 59% disapprove of his performance as governor. Of course, polls come and polls go. But I do believe that he will probably have to face a recall election himself in 2012. And -- at least right now -- the odds look good that he will lose.

 

[BostonPirate]

And since that will happen during the election year, its also likely that Obama will take Wisconsin. He will benefit immensely from the recall Walker campaign.

he took Wisconsin with 56 percent last election, so that COULD have been one he would have lost this time, if Walker hadn't pulled his BS.

 

[JayHawk]

I live in WI and yes, our new voter ID law is the most restrictive in the nation.

It costs around $20 to obtain a voter ID. In order to get around the problem of this fee being a poll tax, which it otherwise would be, the DMV will issue a free ID card but only if the requestor specifically asks for one. Not all voters -- or potential voters -- realize that this is an option.

Ah so the inability of the electorate to read the sign that says Voting ID Free.... is a poll tax. I suppose making people have to learn to read them pesky road signs is also discriminatory.

When GOV Walker is recalled mandate the DMV employees ask the question... "Is this for voting only and not replacement because your too irresponsible to keep an ID card?"

Easy fix.

In addition to the ID card, every voter will also have to sign their name in a poll book, increasing the time it takes to vote, and the length of the lines at polling places.

Oh MY God inconvenient civil govt. Lawdy moses it has all fallen apart. In memphis I have to verify against a list... go get a sheet from another booth then wait in line in yet another place to vote... wahhhh!

In order to pay for the new IDs and the associated costs of implementation, the state will now be on the hook for an additional $6 million. So much for reducing the cost of government.

I am sure the republicans figured out a way to sell the arms of babies to pay for their nifty plan. Of course only baby arms without ID's are sold.

Almost all student IDs, such as those provided by the University of Wisconsin, won't be sufficient to meet the new law, which should effectively reduce the votes of students who tend to vote Democratic.

Students should go vote in their own fucking states or pay instate tuition.... The military has to vote in their own state if they dont choose to pay taxes and be a citizen of the state they are in. Citizenship in a state or country. Membership has it's privileges. Like ummmmm voting

In a lot of rural areas, the DMV is many miles away and only open one afternoon per month, further discouraging people such as the elderly who might be inclined to vote Democratic but who no longer have an active drivers license.

The elderly are inclined to vote democratic? oh ok maybe

How were they getting to the polling places before? Magic carpet?

Characteristically, the Republicans have also decided to close around 16 DMV offices across the state.

I saw this posted earlier. Thankfully you did not immediately attribute the closures as associated with democratic areas because while it sounds like a diabolical republican plan it is doubtful to me. SO please show me the money if there is some money to be shown.....

As far as reducing voter fraud, the last numbers I saw showed that there were more cases of people reporting a UFO sighting in WI than actual, provable fraud.

Yeah your right. Statistics to the rescue. I suppose since murder is rarely seen in many of those Wisconsin towns that we ought to go ahead and slash the police force in half. I mean nothing is gonna happen right?

Even the most partisan person can see that this has little to do with preventing voter fraud and everything to do with reducing the number of votes for one party. It's the law now, but it's one I think is unjust and unnecessary. And I would say exactly the same thing if it were affecting voters inclined to vote Republican. But it isn't.

It may very well be the diabolical plan of the republican haters to get voted in for life. I could be wrong. BUT there are way too many holes in the argument for that makes me wonder why such a weak argument has to be used.

I honestly don't care. But don't really buy the validity of the argument. However if what your saying is true... if all the power has been removed from the Deomcrats by a diabolical republican plan.... How is it possible that you and BP postulate that the bum Govna' is hittin the bricks next election... arent all the dems ruled out already?

 

[Yngbldhwk]

JayHawk: In 2008, there were 14 improper votes cast out of three million that were prosecuted by the WI state attorney general. There were also 40 UFO sightings. In light of that, do you really think the cause required a law? Wouldn't it be better to save that six million dollars, or apply it towards tax relief, something I suspect you'd approve of?

And why are you so angry, by the way?

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

What surprises me is Jay Hawk being a military man makes it sound like everyone should have common sense.
Certainly, man you have witnessed a couple trillion times in your career dumb shits who have to have sign on the wall to tell them to make sure there boots are tied and thats after they trip over the laces and fall on there face.
Hell I've seen it in every branch of the service. Big time in The Army, Marines, & Navy!!!
...its easy to miss things when you don't know what you're looking for, not everyone is as worldly and smart as you. Why go take a look at the good folk at Fort Polk or Hampton Rds.
Maybe a trip down to Mayport Florida or Camp Le June would be in order to see some of the simpleton signs the dumb fucks miss on common sense things.
For all those guys they tell will be top gun pilots ending up on a buoy tenders holding a barncle scrubber upside down while they look for a sign or a instruction manual how to hold it.

 

[JayHawk]

JayHawk: In 2008, there were 14 improper votes cast out of three million that were prosecuted by the WI state attorney general. There were also 40 UFO sightings. In light of that, do you really think the cause required a law? Wouldn't it be better to save that six million dollars, or apply it towards tax relief, something I suspect you'd approve of?

And why are you so angry, by the way?

I am not angry simply extremely sarcastic. Sorry if it rubs ya wrong.

I simply believe there needs to be better enforcement of who gets what benefit from these United States. I also believe Immigration should be a helluva lot more simple a process.

Students going to Universities where liberal ideas are essentially indoctrinated into them and then voting in local elections for places they will depart is ridiculous.

An id card is really not that difficult an idea. It's change and different but not very difficult. It is not a poll tax.

Plus the premise behind the original post and the video is a sickening warp of what actually happened. SO if the truth isn't bad enough to cause people to want a change then is it really that bad?

 

[BostonPirate]

HA!!!

merely getting an education is liberal indoctrination. I love that shit.

Why not just say it? only dumb fucks and gullible allowed in the GOP...lol.

can't let that edjurkashun shit git aouter control, ken yah? people will vote more fer them Demercrits.

 

[Yngbldhwk]

I am not angry simply extremely sarcastic. Sorry if it rubs ya wrong.

I simply believe there needs to be better enforcement of who gets what benefit from these United States. I also believe Immigration should be a helluva lot more simple a process.

Students going to Universities where liberal ideas are essentially indoctrinated into them and then voting in local elections for places they will depart is ridiculous.

An id card is really not that difficult an idea. It's change and different but not very difficult. It is not a poll tax.

Plus the premise behind the original post and the video is a sickening warp of what actually happened. SO if the truth isn't bad enough to cause people to want a change then is it really that bad?

If the only way people can vote is by paying for an ID card, then that is a poll tax. It's why the option of a free ID card had to be inserted; the law would have been ruled unconstitutional without it.

But Mr. Walker says the state of WI is broke. Isn't that all the more reason not to spend six million dollars to fix a problem that doesn't exist? We have plenty of problems here that are real and substantial.

The bill also eliminated straight-party ticket voting, except for military and overseas voters. Now, irrespective of whether or not that's a good or bad outcome, again I say, why single different groups of citizens out? A democracy or representational republic functions best when citizens participate. Yet half the population already doesn't vote. Does it seem reasonable to introduce legislation that puts up yet more barriers to voting?

 

[CowboyBob]

HA!!!

merely getting an education is liberal indoctrination. I love that shit.

I noticed that too. Apparently he believes that educated people vote Democratic.

Republicans are indeed restricting voters access to vote with these so-called reforms using the excuse of voter fraud. Voter fraud is not common as the republicans would like you to believe.

It used to be politicians encouraged citizens to vote, but now it's select citizens they want. In other words, they only want voters who will vote Republican at the ballot boxes.

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

It costs around $20 to obtain a voter ID. In order to get around the problem of this fee being a poll tax, which it otherwise would be, the DMV will issue a free ID card but only if the requestor specifically asks for one. Not all voters -- or potential voters -- realize that this is an option.

So which is it: Is it free or $20? Also, $28 was quoted in the video; what is that for?

Almost all student IDs, such as those provided by the University of Wisconsin, won't be sufficient to meet the new law, which should effectively reduce the votes of students who tend to vote Democratic.

So how many states should a student to vote in? If I'm going to school in all 50 states somehow, would that entitle me to vote in all 50 states?

In a lot of rural areas, the DMV is many miles away and only open one afternoon per month, further discouraging people such as the elderly who might be inclined to vote Democratic but who no longer have an active drivers license.

Actually, the elderly tend to vote Republican. And something that is being glossed over here is that Wisconsin only has 5.7M people over 65K square miles; no offense, but it's hard to justify a DMV every square mile for only 90 people.

Even the most partisan person can see that this has little to do with preventing voter fraud and everything to do with reducing the number of votes for one party. It's the law now, but it's one I think is unjust and unnecessary. And I would say exactly the same thing if it were affecting voters inclined to vote Republican. But it isn't.

Definitely. But it's because minorities really don't like showing their ID for anything. That's an attitude that's either got to stop or you are going to see them become even more marginalized...

RG

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

Homeless people in Oregon can vote without an address. Not having procedures to make sure everyone who wants to can vote suggests intent to not want everyone to vote.

Actually, Wisconsin has numerous procedures allowing the homeless to vote. They just need to take advantage of the situation...

RG

 

[White Eagle]

Originally Posted by Kulindahr
Any barriers at all placed in the path of people who want to vote are suspect. That employees are not instructed to explain that if a voter card is wanted, to check the box, suggests the instructions were created with intent to make voting more difficult.

Homeless people in Oregon can vote without an address. Not having procedures to make sure everyone who wants to can vote suggests intent to not want everyone to vote.
__________________

Thank you. That explains it better than I could. Apparently.

 

[White Eagle]

Question: Do they charge a fee for issuing these ID's?

If so, could a case be made that the 24th Amendment applies?

(ignorant furriner, sorry)

We pay $25 for our DL/ID.

 

[Yngbldhwk]

So which is it: Is it free or $20? Also, $28 was quoted in the video; what is that for?

Actually, the elderly tend to vote Republican. And something that is being glossed over here is that Wisconsin only has 5.7M people over 65K square miles; no offense, but it's hard to justify a DMV every square mile for only 90 people.

RG

It's both. That's what's confusing about it. The DMV's policy is to not inform people that they can request a free card, or explain how they need to do so. In those cases, a voter has to pay $28 to get the card. However, if the voter knows they can request a free card, and checks a certain box on the form, they can get it for free. Now, one could argue that voters really ought to educate themselves beforehand and know what they're doing when they come in. Of course they should. But plenty of people don't and won't, and I think that's the calculation behind all this.

There are indeed sixteen DMVs slated to close:

1. Iron River (Bayfield County)
2. Luck (Polk County)
3. Amery (Polk County)
4. New Richmond (St. Croix County)
5. Phillips (Price County)
6. Stanley (Chippewa County)
7. Abbotsford (Clark County)
8. Wittenburg (Shawano County)
9. Minocqua (Oneida County)
10. Eagle River (Vilas County)
11. Algoma (Kewaunee County)
12. Westfield (Marquette County)
13. Reedsburg (Sauk County)
14. Sauk City (Sauk County)
15. Fort Atkinson (Jefferson County)
16. Oconomowoc (Waukesha County)

I should emphasize that these offices have not actually closed yet because the governor's plans haven't been finalized, so the list could be longer, or shorter. The Republicans counter that by closing some offices, they can extend the hours at others. True, so far as it goes. But, and it's a big but, most the DMVs that are closing are in Democratic areas, while the offices with hours being extended lie in Republican areas.

In some areas, the DMV is only open once per quarter.

 

[JayHawk]

HA!!!

merely getting an education is liberal indoctrination. I love that shit.

Why not just say it? only dumb fucks and gullible allowed in the GOP...lol.

can't let that edjurkashun shit git aouter control, ken yah? people will vote more fer them Demercrits.

I noticed that too. Apparently he believes that educated people vote Democratic.

Republicans are indeed restricting voters access to vote with these so-called reforms using the excuse of voter fraud. Voter fraud is not common as the republicans would like you to believe.

It used to be politicians encouraged citizens to vote, but now it's select citizens they want. In other words, they only want voters who will vote Republican at the ballot boxes.

Ok so gotcha.... yay. I can't prove it and you can not disprove that liberal idealism is a mainstay at most campuses. It is a great thing that critical thinking actually results in a multitude of the college graduates thinking for themselves and becoming all three types of voters. D, R and I. But hey nice twist, here is a cookie.

If the only way people can vote is by paying for an ID card, then that is a poll tax. It's why the option of a free ID card had to be inserted; the law would have been ruled unconstitutional without it.

But Mr. Walker says the state of WI is broke. Isn't that all the more reason not to spend six million dollars to fix a problem that doesn't exist? We have plenty of problems here that are real and substantial.

The bill also eliminated straight-party ticket voting, except for military and overseas voters. Now, irrespective of whether or not that's a good or bad outcome, again I say, why single different groups of citizens out? A democracy or representational republic functions best when citizens participate. Yet half the population already doesn't vote. Does it seem reasonable to introduce legislation that puts up yet more barriers to voting?

How much more free than free can free be? FREE....NO COST... NO POLL TAX.

Simple enough?

If ignorance of the law is a legal argument in Wisconsin then I am moving there. "Why no officer I didn't know that 'Speed Limit' on the sign meant the upper limit. I was trying to stay above 80 and out of trouble."

IRT removing party line voting. i would think anyone sentient enough to read and argue points in CE&P would WANT people to actually have a clue what they were voting for in each instance. Hiding legislation in a party line that then gets voted in because of voter ignorance sounds a helluva lot more scary to me than having to read the ballot.

 

[JayHawk]

It's both. That's what's confusing about it. The DMV's policy is to not inform people that they can request a free card, or explain how they need to do so. In those cases, a voter has to pay $28 to get the card. However, if the voter knows they can request a free card, and checks a certain box on the form, they can get it for free. Now, one could argue that voters really ought to educate themselves beforehand and know what they're doing when they come in. Of course they should. But plenty of people don't and won't, and I think that's the calculation behind all this.

There are indeed sixteen DMVs slated to close:

1. Iron River (Bayfield County) D
2. Luck (Polk County) R
3. Amery (Polk County) R
4. New Richmond (St. Croix County) R
5. Phillips (Price County) R
6. Stanley (Chippewa County) R
7. Abbotsford (Clark County) R
8. Wittenburg (Shawano County) R mostly with a big D spot
9. Minocqua (Oneida County)
10. Eagle River (Vilas County) R
11. Algoma (Kewaunee County)
12. Westfield (Marquette County) R
13. Reedsburg (Sauk County) D
14. Sauk City (Sauk County) D
15. Fort Atkinson (Jefferson County) D
16. Oconomowoc (Waukesha County)

I should emphasize that these offices have not actually closed yet because the governor's plans haven't been finalized, so the list could be longer, or shorter. The Republicans counter that by closing some offices, they can extend the hours at others. True, so far as it goes. But, and it's a big but, most the DMVs that are closing are in [STRIKE]Democratic[/STRIKE] Republican areas, while the offices with hours being extended lie in Republican areas.

In some areas, the DMV is only open once per quarter.

There I adjusted your post for you by adding in the majority voting record for the counties mentioned. That data is located here


I agree with you though. The Republicans ought to be set on fire and ran out on a rail for closing DMV's in their constituency base...

 

[Yngbldhwk]

But JayHawk, free is not free if the person doesn't know it's free. Yes, the people could and should ask; that's half of the equation. But the other half lies on the DMV's shoulders -- they should also tell the voter, and their policy is to not do so.

It's no different than if you walked into a store where, just for that day, everything was 90% off, but no signs indicated that and the clerks wouldn't tell you. So everyone who happened in there and bought something would be paying full price, and not knowing any better.

How is it equitable taking a system where everyone had equal opportunity to vote and making it harder for some people, yet easier for others?

How, exactly, does it make to sense to allow one group of people to vote straight party line, but no one else is permitted to?

How does it help the state to spend millions fixing something that isn't broken? With all the things that are truly broken, wouldn't it make more sense to focus on those areas first? In the city I live in, the graduation rate for public high school students is less than 50%, and the infant mortality rate is on the order of a third-world country. With so many real problems either unimproved, or actually getting worse, I just don't see the logic of enacting restrictive legislation, and paying more for it in taxes to boot. Especially from Republicans who claim to want less government. Seems to me this is more.