Barbara Boxer - not her finest moment

[chance1]

He makes perfect sense, and an excellent point.

You wrote, "I picture her crying in the meeting, unable to control herself - good for a mom perhaps, but not for an elected official with real responsibities and decisions to make."

Of course what you "picture" never happened, it's made up in your own imagination -- and that means it reveals nothing about Boxer but a lot about how you view women.

Is that the way your mom reacted? Barbara Boxer is a mom and she's never exhibited behavior anything remotely like what you describe.

In fact, Barbara Boxer demonstrated in the very speech you started this thread about that she is not weak and weepy, unable to control herself -- she's stong and assertive and isn't afraid to stand up to authority by confronting them with issues that most people are too timid to address.

Nick - since u decided to revive this thread 3 weeks later (hmmm), I'll respond to your response to my response to SOMEONE ELSE

First - how I view women is none of your concern - not on your radar - not in your skill set - fill in the blanks - you demean yourself by going there - there that u know nothing about - but ur doing that a lot lately

My point is simply - so simply that even u should know - that the emotional aspect of governing is bad - has no place - governing is about making smart decisions unimpacted by your feelings

pretty simple

pretty simple for u to twist

 

[NickCole]

My point is simply - so simply that even u should know - that the emotional aspect of governing is bad - has no place - governing is about making smart decisions unimpacted by your feelings

Barbara Boxer's point had nothing to do with her feelings, it had to do with the real personal impact, the "personal price," that Bush & Co's failed Iraq "plans" have had on some American families -- but notably nobody in the Bush Administration.

In governing in a Democracy it is, in fact, very important to take into consideration the personal price that citizens will pay for an administration's policies. These are not kings and queens, not Dictators, they're elected representatives of the people. The impact of their public policy on the citizenry is supposed to matter to the President and his staff.

 

[OtterJoq]

You make no sense

On a consistent basis

The only thing that makes no sense is how a relatively intelligent person like yourself has such little respect for women.

That's just sad.

Consistently.

 

[chance1]

The only thing that makes no sense is how a relatively intelligent person like yourself has such little respect for women.

That's just sad.

Consistently.

Dude - how u can take my post about Ms. Boxer and her comments and turn that into "you don't respect women" is for your analyst to figure out - not for you to spew onto the board

 

[White Eagle]

You brought up the subject of women:
"I picture her crying in the meeting, unable to control herself - good for a mom perhaps, but not for an elected official with real responsibities and decisions to make."
How can you say this is respecting women?
If you don't want us to respond to something, don't bring it up in your posts.
I think Barbara was right in what she said. She wouldn't have been elected if she weren't responsible and able to make decisions for her constituants.

 

[chance1]

You brought up the subject of women:
"I picture her crying in the meeting, unable to control herself - good for a mom perhaps, but not for an elected official with real responsibities and decisions to make."
How can you say this is respecting women?
If you don't want us to respond to something, don't bring it up in your posts.
I think Barbara was right in what she said. She wouldn't have been elected if she weren't responsible and able to make decisions for her constituants.

answer the question fuckbait

how does me saying that about Senator Boxer suggest I don't respect women

I brought it up cause she got all inappropriate with Condi Rice, suggesting boo hoo that Ms. Rice could not understand cause she does not have kids

She showed how incapable of decision making she is by making it an emotional and low play

How unreliable she is

Government leaders need to make decisions, not grandstand for effect

 

[White Eagle]

The way I and others see it what you said is disrespectful. She was not inappropriate with Rice at all. Rice got what she deserves. Rice and the admin is showing nothing towards the loss of life in Iraq.
But then you will never see what we are saying. Pity.

 

[NickCole]

answer the question fuckbait

how does me saying that about Senator Boxer suggest I don't respect women

"I picture her crying in the meeting, unable to control herself - good for a mom perhaps, but not for an elected official with real responsibities and decisions to make."

Because it's clearly based in a derogatory stereotype of women, and in particular women who "cause trouble."

The "her crying in the meeting, unable to control herself -- good for a mom perhaps" indicates a view of women that sees them as weak and uncontrollably emotional, which of course is the "hysterical" woman. The original definition of "hysterical" is a neurotic condition peculiar to women, which was thought to be caused by the uterus.

From Wiki:

Hysteria's history can be traced back to ancient times; it was described by both the philosopher Plato and the physician Hippocrates, in ancient Greece, and was earlier recorded in Egyptian papyri. An ancient Greek myth tells of the uterus wandering throughout a woman’s body, strangling the victim as it reaches the chest and causing disease. This theory is the source of the name, which stems from the Greek word for uterus, hystera.

Female hysteria was an incorrectly diagnosed medical condition in Western medicine that is not currently acknowledged by the medical community. It was a popular diagnosis in the Victorian era for a wide array of symptoms including faintness, nervousness, insomnia, fluid retention, heaviness in abdomen, muscle spasm, shortness of breath, irritability, loss of appetite for food or sex, and a "tendency to cause trouble". ...

It is profoundly disrespectful to women. The words you chose fit too perfectly with that.

I brought it up cause she got all inappropriate with Condi Rice, suggesting boo hoo that Ms. Rice could not understand cause she does not have kids

Boxer's comment to Rice was not only appropriate but long past due -- and should be said to Bush and Cheney as well. She did not "boo hoo," she stated her point clearly and strongly. And she didn't say Rice could not understand because she's childless, she pointed out that neither Boxer nor Rice were paying a "personal price." It's not about whether or not Rice has children, it's whether or not she's paying a personal price; Boxer has children and she none the less pointed out that she, also, is not paying a personal price.

She showed how incapable of decision making she is by making it an emotional and low play

Decision making and rhetorical point making are two different things.

How unreliable she is

You can't point to a single action or inaction Boxer has taken that indicates she's unreliable.

Then there's Bush & Co, for which Katrina and Iraq alone could fill a thick volume of being unreliable.

 

[White Eagle]

Thank you Nick. I gave up as I didn't want to go into detail to inform chance of his disrespect, hah as if I could have put it so eloquently. If he doesn't get it now I will certainly give up. CE&P has become nothing but a rednecks sushui.

 

[chance1]

"I picture her crying in the meeting, unable to control herself - good for a mom perhaps, but not for an elected official with real responsibities and decisions to make."

Because it's clearly based in a derogatory stereotype of women, and in particular women who "cause trouble."

The "her crying in the meeting, unable to control herself -- good for a mom perhaps" indicates a view of women that sees them as weak and uncontrollably emotional, which of course is the "hysterical" woman. The original definition of "hysterical" is a neurotic condition peculiar to women, which was thought to be caused by the uterus.

From Wiki:

Hysteria's history can be traced back to ancient times; it was described by both the philosopher Plato and the physician Hippocrates, in ancient Greece, and was earlier recorded in Egyptian papyri. An ancient Greek myth tells of the uterus wandering throughout a woman’s body, strangling the victim as it reaches the chest and causing disease. This theory is the source of the name, which stems from the Greek word for uterus, hystera.

Female hysteria was an incorrectly diagnosed medical condition in Western medicine that is not currently acknowledged by the medical community. It was a popular diagnosis in the Victorian era for a wide array of symptoms including faintness, nervousness, insomnia, fluid retention, heaviness in abdomen, muscle spasm, shortness of breath, irritability, loss of appetite for food or sex, and a "tendency to cause trouble". ...

It is profoundly disrespectful to women. The words you chose fit too perfectly with that.


Boxer's comment to Rice was not only appropriate but long past due -- and should be said to Bush and Cheney as well. She did not "boo hoo," she stated her point clearly and strongly. And she didn't say Rice could not understand because she's childless, she pointed out that neither Boxer nor Rice were paying a "personal price." It's not about whether or not Rice has children, it's whether or not she's paying a personal price; Boxer has children and she none the less pointed out that she, also, is not paying a personal price.


Decision making and rhetorical point making are two different things.


You can't point to a single action or inaction Boxer has taken that indicates she's unreliable.

Then there's Bush & Co, for which Katrina and Iraq alone could fill a thick volume of being unreliable.

Dude - you win the award for most posts about nothing. For fillibustering the longest and loudest. Congrats.

You got me - I'm a disrespector of women.

Just promise me you won't tell my mom

Keep on typing dude

 

[OtterJoq]

FlickerFace the MasterBater strikes again!

He's just like Zorro, except instead of leaving a single "Z" as his mark, he creates a long string of them with his every pointless post...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...





BTW, FF...you might want to check the spelling of "Irresistable" (sic).