Bear411 is Racist

[BrandonSBCA]

Yeah someone told me bearciti.com is better. Which I tried, it seems to be a new website so when all the profiles start adding up more and more people will be there.

 

[Theyoungman]

Whats wrong with you people?

I've been a member of that site since I turn 18 and I'm a multi-mixed race, who is also skinny with minimal muscles. I'm look nothing like a bear except I have hair. Thats it.

So how is it that i've been here for so long and nothing has happend? EVER!

Somehow I think you are mistaken.

 

[BrandonSBCA]

Whats wrong with you people?

I've been a member of that site since I turn 18 and I'm a multi-mixed race, who is also skinny with minimal muscles. I'm look nothing like a bear except I have hair. Thats it.

So how is it that i've been here for so long and nothing has happend? EVER!

Somehow I think you are mistaken.

Well people have tried joining it and they never get in because the person never lets them make a profile on there. Thundercizzle can't even get a profile on it. I've been on there since I was 19, and I was horrified about this.

 

[bumcub]

I can't link to the original article - would like to - so can't comment too much.

Thing is, i'm on that site and there seems to be people from all ethnic backgrounds, i've chatted to a few!

I had a white english friend who was sort of cubbish and his profile was denied - o thought maybe he wasn't bearish enough but on looking at the site there are some far east guys, quite young who are not bearish in any way - more twink. So i don't really know why my friend didn't get on. The email was a simple your profile has not been approved with no explanation which didn't help!!

All i'm saying is don't assume something until you have hard facts, but like i say i can't see the original complaint so don't know what happened.

As far as being a racist site - as far as i can see there are loads of profiles from guys of all different ethnic backgrounds so...................

 

[bodmodkub]

Ok, you guys are getting to be too much. Point blank: If you're not black an in the US, there are certain experiences that you just can't comprehend. It's that simple. I have experienced much myself that many sociologist couldn't fathom.

Ok, I know this is an old thread, but I had to comment on this. You have said the above several times now, and honestly, it's not right at all.
I am Cuban-American, my parents were immigrants. I remember being a little boy and being in a shoe store with my parents and we were speaking spanish. All of a sudden this dude who must have been around 40 came up to us and said "You dirty spics need to go the fuck back to your dirty island" and then he spit in my face. I was 6 years old.

I am NOT black, but I have experienced scenarios like this many times in my life. I also look quite different now adays with all my piercings and tattoos, and I get tons of flack from people about it.

I get very tired of black or African American people saying no one else can understand racism like they can. It's total bullshit. I also hate the fact that many black people feel that black people cannot be racist, when many of them are. Going around calling people crackers, or cholos, or beaners is just as racist as using the N word.

Also, telling people that they can never understand because they aren't black is actually hurting your plight. it pushes people away and alienates them, making them less likely to support you ideas.

Anyway, I'm done babbling. I just had to put my 2 cents in.

 

[hermanding]

adelante, maldito. ese pendejo envidia tu piel de malteada chocolate - y además tiene menos peligro de cancer de piel
right on paco that fucker envies your chocolate shake skin - and besides you have less danger of skin cancer
ding

 

[bodmodkub]

I can't stand bear411. It is the most frustrating site I have ever used. I use BMB even though I'm not that muscular. Nor, bearish for that matter. It is a better designed site.

Whats so frustrating about it? I'll admit it isn't pretty, but it's pretty easy to use. I can see a couple of things that could be more streamlined, but nothing that's a deal breaker.

 

[thevofl]

Whats so frustrating about it? I'll admit it isn't pretty, but it's pretty easy to use. I can see a couple of things that could be more streamlined, but nothing that's a deal breaker.

The lack of a decent search feature, (hell I would take a barely adequate one). Also when trying to logging in, it tells me to sign up for an account. The fact that any profile modifications need to be reviewed. And you can't do them more frequently than once a week without paying. Censoring / modifying profiles. Not having men beyond those that are one man's version of "bearish" (after a while it gets monotonous and common). Nags are all over the place making you pay.

By comparison, my BMB profile is not censored, modified. It allows external links. It has a decent search feature. I like tall men. I can search for that on BMB but not on Bear411.

I can go on and on. For the sake of sanity, I will not.

 

[BrandonSBCA]

I can't link to the original article - would like to - so can't comment too much.

Thing is, i'm on that site and there seems to be people from all ethnic backgrounds, i've chatted to a few!

I had a white english friend who was sort of cubbish and his profile was denied - o thought maybe he wasn't bearish enough but on looking at the site there are some far east guys, quite young who are not bearish in any way - more twink. So i don't really know why my friend didn't get on. The email was a simple your profile has not been approved with no explanation which didn't help!!

All i'm saying is don't assume something until you have hard facts, but like i say i can't see the original complaint so don't know what happened.

As far as being a racist site - as far as i can see there are loads of profiles from guys of all different ethnic backgrounds so...................

http://bobaloo.livejournal.com/525205.html

 

[BrandonSBCA]

Okay, guys. I actually have to kinda agree with thundercizzle on this one, but I have to qualify my statement. Bear411 is discriminatory in general towards non-hairy thin guys.

My own story; check out my profiles on bearwww and bear411:
http://bearwww.com/xenarthra
http://bear411.com/disprofframe.php3?name=asnchasrgenx&from=1

First of all, I had a horrible time even getting onto the site. When I first applied for a profile, I used my typical bearwww profile. I think most would agree that what I say on my bearwww profile is quite candid, friendly, and somewhat neutral sexually, at least the first picture (which was the I was using when I first submitted). It also uses my usual Xenarthra screenname. Fine, right? Well, when I submitted my profile, first it took a while and then I received a return e-mail. It basically said, "we do not feel you are right for this site, but you should consider gay411.com instead." At this point, I was not so much astounded, as puzzled and confused. I figured, "there must be some kind of mistake, why would I take the effort to apply to a bear site if I was not interested in bears? I'll make it a bit more clear that I like bears." so, I changed my profile a bit clarifying the type of men I like, stating the bears and mature men and submitted my profile again. I waited for a day. What did I find when I returned? Another rejection e-mail.

At this point there should be no mistake that I am being rejected for a reason. Could it be the content of my profile text? No. If you argue on that, I need only direct you to the numerous profiles on bear411 where the bear in question only has minimal or no text in his profile, yet had no trouble signing up for the site. My picture, then. Mind you, check the first picture of my bearwww profile, which is the one I usually submit to sites first. Sexually neutral, displays my face and body type, not unfriendly-looking. Yes, I look like a twink--thin, no facial hair. As additional evidence, obviously the webmaster had seen my profile because he had directed me to another site for twinks (gay411)-- twice--; meaning that he read my profile bear-love and all, saw my picture, and judged me for a particular site. That is, despite me saying, I'm a chaser, I love bears, the webmasted still discriminated against me. It also galls me that he presumed that he would know my sexual preferences *better* than what I explicitly stated in my profile.

I was determined to see what I needed to do to get on the site, so I revamped my profile to scream nothing but "I'm gonna f*ck alot of bears and your other members will be happy" and I changed my username to AsnChasrGenX (asian chaser generation X) and I included a picture with me and my partner (who is a bear). Only then, only then, did I finally get accepted into the site.

Now imagine, you a have a bearish pic and you include no content in your profile and you are waved in. Meanwhile, I have to change my name, my picture, and everything on my profile to be centered around bears to get on this site and I have to try three times. Am I being treated differently? Yes. But one might say, you got into the site eventually, didn't you? The discrimination comes through the hassle I got from the site just to get my foot in the door. For example, blacks could ride the bus, they just had to go to the back of the bus. I ask you, given my treatment compared to people with even the slightest hint of bearishness, was I not being treated as a secondhand citizen?

One might ask a good question, "If you had such a bad time of getting on the site, why do you still have a profile there?" Ultimately, I have a very good bear friend of mine who uses the site solely. And if I am to communicate with him meaningfully on a regular basis, I have to use the site. I value my friendship with him and several other people on the site more important than the discrimination I received coming through the door--others have faced worse, far worse-- but it is discrimination all the same. But this is the subtle kind that pains me the most, the prejudices that come from the ones who you think should be the most welcoming to you. That's the kind that hurts the worst.

In summary, I submitted my profile several times, each time with the webmaster denying my part in the community and presuming on my sexual preferences, until I changed my entire online identity. Compared to the experiences of guys-with-facial-hair, they have a relatively hassle-free time. Perhaps it doesn't discriminate against people of color per se, but I'm sure he discriminates against thin, beardless chasers, unless they make themselves out to be bear-whores. Being a person of color might be another mark against you if you are also thin and hairless.

Yep. For me, I'm a cub so I was accepted automatically. But when I read something like what you put up, it disgusts me that the only way he accepted you was to put a picture of your partner up so he would know "Oh he must like bears because he has a picture of a bear standing next to him"

I don't know, I use bear411 because I have about 50 friends on there that I talk to sometimes. I'm on it every day, it's just sad that a lot of guys who admire bears never get accepted because they don't fit his likes.

 

[James]

Hate to be a necro-poster, but I just ran in to this as well. I tried to create a profile and even made a page, when I submitted it for approval, I was denied. I sent an email back to find out why, and I never got a response. Apparently, you have to look a certain way to even be a chaser on there. I'm done with them too. The site admin can go rot in hell for all I care.

He suggested I join Male411.com instead. I simply stated in my email that I did not want to join that site because there was already a random assortment of men on Male411. I wanted to join bear411 because they are the type of men I like. Never heard back though. Shame. I'm actually on BiggerCity.com right now, but it caters more to the chub than bear type

 

[BrandonSBCA]

Yeah you're not missing much on bear411 just guys that will say you're cute and that's it, no talk.

 

[Theyoungman]

I just don't get it guys... Maybe I got lucky because I swear to from what you guys are telling, I swear to god that I should have been denied too, but I never have been nor recieved email from them. I know it has noting to do with my bosy hair because I have never posted a photo of my bare body. I always had clothes on. Maybe its my face. I don't know. Well if you guys hate Bear411 then thats ok. I don't. I don't have a reason to. I chat with my friends there just like any other site I'm on.

I do't know.

 

[thevofl]

Yeah you're not missing much on bear411 just guys that will say you're cute and that's it, no talk.

I checked my guestbook and the last nine entries were:

09 Dec 2006
You're Sexy

31 Oct 2006
You're Cute

21 Oct 2006
You're Cute

19 Oct 2006
You're Handsome

15 Oct 2006
HUGS

09 Oct 2006
HUGS

08 Oct 2006
You're Cute

07 Oct 2006
Woof !

07 Oct 2006
Woof !

 

[fireside]

So from this conversation--which appears to be old, but the joy of forums is that no conversation is old as long as you're reading it oblivious to dates--which bear/bear lover sites should I consider? I'm actually a mix of person, as is everyone, but I like a wide variety of people, so I figure may as well check it out, eh?

 

[coofiny]

I just don't get it guys... Maybe I got lucky because I swear to from what you guys are telling, I swear to god that I should have been denied too, but I never have been nor recieved email from them. I know it has noting to do with my bosy hair because I have never posted a photo of my bare body. I always had clothes on. Maybe its my face. I don't know. Well if you guys hate Bear411 then thats ok. I don't. I don't have a reason to. I chat with my friends there just like any other site I'm on.

I do't know.

with you as the exception, it doesnt disprove the fact that the admin is definately selective with who he accepts on his site.

 

[BrandonSBCA]

I checked my guestbook and the last nine entries were:

09 Dec 2006
You're Sexy

31 Oct 2006
You're Cute

21 Oct 2006
You're Cute

19 Oct 2006
You're Handsome

15 Oct 2006
HUGS

09 Oct 2006
HUGS

08 Oct 2006
You're Cute

07 Oct 2006
Woof !

07 Oct 2006
Woof !

Yep and this is mine.

24 Jan 2007: HUGS
24 Jan 2007: Woof !
21 Jan 2007: I like You !
18 Jan 2007: Woof !
18 Jan 2007: You're Sexy
15 Jan 2007: You're Hot !
14 Jan 2007: Great Pictures !
13 Jan 2007: You're Hot !
13 Jan 2007: You're Handsome
11 Jan 2007: You're Adorable
08 Jan 2007: I like You !
02 Jan 2007: Great Profile
30 Dec 2006: Woof !
27 Dec 2006: I like You !
22 Dec 2006: You're Sexy
14 Dec 2006: You're Hot !
12 Dec 2006: Great Pictures !
11 Dec 2006: I like You !
06 Dec 2006: You're Hot !
05 Dec 2006: You're Sexy
27 Nov 2006: You're Hot !
19 Nov 2006: Woof !
31 Oct 2006: You're Adorable
30 Oct 2006: HUGS
29 Oct 2006: You're Hot !

 

[maxxximum]

arent bears generally retardedly exclusive? which is why i dont bother "chasing"...good thing i find only a select few attractive. even my attraction to these kind is kept strictly private, after seeing the even the slightly beefier strippers copping shit from my mates hehe.

 

[thevofl]

arent bears generally retardedly exclusive?

Funny, sad, true

 

[Theyoungman]

arent bears generally retardedly exclusive? .

What do you mean by that? What I mean is that I don't understand.