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BrandonSBCA
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Well they're a lot more better than twinks, which is why I don't go for chasers.
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Bear411 is Racist
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Well they're a lot more better than twinks, which is why I don't go for chasers.
i dont think physical sexual attraction has anything to do with their exclusivity as a group, but whatever floats your boat.
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BrandonSBCA
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Well maybe I missed your whole meaning of it since you worded it differently, thankfully Xenarthra explained it to me. Even thought the bear community and some of it's bear men might be exclusive I feel more accepted there than I would with in a opposite group.
What kills me about the bear community is, they are supposed to be the ones who don't get all hung up on body image and looks... it's a just-be-who-you-are, everyone's-welcome kind of thing.
Bull.
Generally, I think they are just as catty toward thin, preppy men as thin, preppy men are toward them. I get angry to hear Bear411 is excluding black men, asian men, thin men or anyone who doesn't fit their own ideal. I have quit the site as well.
I am a big, bear-type guy, but I am attracted to nonbears of all races. I get tired of being teased by bear friends for my taste in men.
I apologize to anyone who has felt unwelcome at bear websites, at bear events, or by bears themselves.
But what the hell, that just leaves more of you for me...
Bull.
Generally, I think they are just as catty toward thin, preppy men as thin, preppy men are toward them. I get angry to hear Bear411 is excluding black men, asian men, thin men or anyone who doesn't fit their own ideal. I have quit the site as well.
I am a big, bear-type guy, but I am attracted to nonbears of all races. I get tired of being teased by bear friends for my taste in men.
I apologize to anyone who has felt unwelcome at bear websites, at bear events, or by bears themselves.
But what the hell, that just leaves more of you for me...
James
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I am a big, bear-type guy, but I am attracted to nonbears of all races. I get tired of being teased by bear friends for my taste in men.
I apologize to anyone who has felt unwelcome at bear websites, at bear events, or by bears themselves.
But what the hell, that just leaves more of you for me...
Excellent reply, wish there were more guys like you.
Very well said.
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BrandonSBCA
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What kills me about the bear community is, they are supposed to be the ones who don't get all hung up on body image and looks... it's a just-be-who-you-are, everyone's-welcome kind of thing.
Bull.
Generally, I think they are just as catty toward thin, preppy men as thin, preppy men are toward them. I get angry to hear Bear411 is excluding black men, asian men, thin men or anyone who doesn't fit their own ideal. I have quit the site as well.
I am a big, bear-type guy, but I am attracted to nonbears of all races. I get tired of being teased by bear friends for my taste in men.
I apologize to anyone who has felt unwelcome at bear websites, at bear events, or by bears themselves.
But what the hell, that just leaves more of you for me...
Well there are plenty of websites for bears and chasers, but bear411 is not one of them from what I'm told. Not sure about biggercity, hopefully with bearciti there will be more chasers and bears on it.
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Kirbster
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I'm getting sick of this. The site is NOT racist. The folks being rejected are not being rejected due to race but other factors. I'm not defending those rejections (I don't understand what's going on since I see tons of examples of profiles that made the site that are similar to those that are being rejected) but each one of you who considers this racism is hurting the overall cause of calling out actual racism in our society. There are a lot of dark-skinned guys of different races, asians, chubs, chasers, bears, hairy, smooth...all types. By definition, that shows racism is not at work and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
I also have to laugh at the guy who suggested bearworld.com as an alternative. It's bear411 with a different header; otherwise the systems are identical and you can log in on either site with the same profile.
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BrandonSBCA
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Love watching these videos.
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Theyoungman
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Good video Brandon! I only watched the first one which was funny and just shouldn't have used that music.
The bears are so different. I'm glad I have one available to me.
I would call myself a bear, but I'm not. maybe in the future.
The bears are so different. I'm glad I have one available to me.
I would call myself a bear, but I'm not. maybe in the future.
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BrandonSBCA
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Re: Bear411 is Otterist
Yep. But I see otter there on the site as well. Maybe he's just selective really.
Yep. But I see otter there on the site as well. Maybe he's just selective really.
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okay okay. i used to be a bear411 member, but left due to its repetitiveness (comments and all); however, i'm kinda confused on the subject. i never was treated in an ugly way by the administrator (a dangerous word to use nowadays), but i admit the site can be annoying at times.
what i REALLY don't understand is the amount of hate aimed at this particular site. if you hate it so much, leave. if it makes you feel any better on the subject, on guestimation, about 71% on there are HIV+ and will either die shortly due to its' effects or morph into ugly creatures post-medication. there is such a thing as Karma, and oddly enough, it bites back faster and more obvious in the gay community than that of the straight.........OOOOO i said something mean.
what i REALLY don't understand is the amount of hate aimed at this particular site. if you hate it so much, leave. if it makes you feel any better on the subject, on guestimation, about 71% on there are HIV+ and will either die shortly due to its' effects or morph into ugly creatures post-medication. there is such a thing as Karma, and oddly enough, it bites back faster and more obvious in the gay community than that of the straight.........OOOOO i said something mean.
CallMeHTD
Purveyor of Hole and Sole
Here's an intersting link to another tale.
I had a membership last year. I lasted a month. Ironically, I'm lean, muscular, hairy and 36. More of a daddy in training than a classic bear, but not only did I get in, I was given a free upgraded 'paid' account status, despite the fact I never gave so much as a credit card number.
The thing that's really sad is, the site is SLEAZY. The bad kind, not the good, welcome kind. I got some of the most graphic, out-of-the-blue messages from guys who wanted me to do all KINDS of insanely unsafe things to them. I'm talking really detailed requests on their first contact message to me. It was fucked up. I cancelled my account after a month.
Someone really should create an alternative site. I've heard too many stories on how biased the site owner is to believe its not true. Frankly, Bear411 is just not worth all of the drama is creates.
I had a membership last year. I lasted a month. Ironically, I'm lean, muscular, hairy and 36. More of a daddy in training than a classic bear, but not only did I get in, I was given a free upgraded 'paid' account status, despite the fact I never gave so much as a credit card number.
The thing that's really sad is, the site is SLEAZY. The bad kind, not the good, welcome kind. I got some of the most graphic, out-of-the-blue messages from guys who wanted me to do all KINDS of insanely unsafe things to them. I'm talking really detailed requests on their first contact message to me. It was fucked up. I cancelled my account after a month.
Someone really should create an alternative site. I've heard too many stories on how biased the site owner is to believe its not true. Frankly, Bear411 is just not worth all of the drama is creates.
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Theyoungman
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Funny. Only one or two guys have done that to me since last August to today and I only met one drama gueen and we don't talk anymore. Thats it. I guess i'm just lucky.
BearcubCA: You may not like it, but it's a fact: People are not allowed to that page based on the personal taste of the owner.
If you are smooth and overweighted: You are in.
If you are slim and hairy: You are in.(this is why theyoungman gets in there. From his picture here it's already obvious that he got more than 3 hairs on his body)
If you are slim and smooth and got a bearish dude on the pic with you: You are in.
If you are just slim and smooth: You get redirected to that crappy other site which is of no interest for you at all cause there are about no bears on there...no matter what you write in your profile.
You could go through a list of people on here that said they are denied or accepted and you will find that fitting almost 100% of all cases(sure that some get in anyway cause the owner has a good day or knows the person etc...but those are exceptions).
This is all okay...at least in a legal way(tho I know no other page that is discriminating in this way aside from those blacks-only-sites). What sucks is that he doesn't post that big on the front page. There are a darn lot of profiles of bears on there that prefer young,smooth,slim and say so...and don't know at all that the profiles of guys they are searching for are being denied. They are being fooled.
What sucks as well is that you got to fill in a profile as chaser and finally figure out that it's all wasted cause you never had a chance at all that this profile will be accepted(just based on your looks). I guess you'd be pissed about that too...
If you are fine with an exclusive bear/chub/hairy-community, that's your beef. But then NEVER again complain if smooth,slender guys discriminate against you, cause you don't act the least better than them if you get the chance(by joining a "my kind only"-community). This is something that many guys in the selfproclaimed "oh so tollerant" bear4bear community should realize. Discrimination is a coin that usually got 2 sides..and both are equally ugly. A minority that complains about discrimination by the majority should be careful to not act the same in situations where they become the majority.
If you are on that page cause of a friend and you say you found no other way to communicate with that one then all I can say is that you didn't really try(this is the gloabal net...not a one-site-show). If you are communicating with 30 friends on there then I can tell you that 25 of those friends have likely a profile on bearwww as well and the other 5 just don't know that other site. You are supporting discrimination just cause you are lazy(at least from now on since you now definitly know what the page is about). Fortunatly for you it's not discrimation against you. This time.
That's the bottom line.
P.S. This isn't a personal attack against anyone. In parts it's just a general statement. Those that feel attacked by it likely got caught with the pants down.
If you are smooth and overweighted: You are in.
If you are slim and hairy: You are in.(this is why theyoungman gets in there. From his picture here it's already obvious that he got more than 3 hairs on his body)
If you are slim and smooth and got a bearish dude on the pic with you: You are in.
If you are just slim and smooth: You get redirected to that crappy other site which is of no interest for you at all cause there are about no bears on there...no matter what you write in your profile.
You could go through a list of people on here that said they are denied or accepted and you will find that fitting almost 100% of all cases(sure that some get in anyway cause the owner has a good day or knows the person etc...but those are exceptions).
This is all okay...at least in a legal way(tho I know no other page that is discriminating in this way aside from those blacks-only-sites). What sucks is that he doesn't post that big on the front page. There are a darn lot of profiles of bears on there that prefer young,smooth,slim and say so...and don't know at all that the profiles of guys they are searching for are being denied. They are being fooled.
What sucks as well is that you got to fill in a profile as chaser and finally figure out that it's all wasted cause you never had a chance at all that this profile will be accepted(just based on your looks). I guess you'd be pissed about that too...
If you are fine with an exclusive bear/chub/hairy-community, that's your beef. But then NEVER again complain if smooth,slender guys discriminate against you, cause you don't act the least better than them if you get the chance(by joining a "my kind only"-community). This is something that many guys in the selfproclaimed "oh so tollerant" bear4bear community should realize. Discrimination is a coin that usually got 2 sides..and both are equally ugly. A minority that complains about discrimination by the majority should be careful to not act the same in situations where they become the majority.
If you are on that page cause of a friend and you say you found no other way to communicate with that one then all I can say is that you didn't really try(this is the gloabal net...not a one-site-show). If you are communicating with 30 friends on there then I can tell you that 25 of those friends have likely a profile on bearwww as well and the other 5 just don't know that other site. You are supporting discrimination just cause you are lazy(at least from now on since you now definitly know what the page is about). Fortunatly for you it's not discrimation against you. This time.
That's the bottom line.
P.S. This isn't a personal attack against anyone. In parts it's just a general statement. Those that feel attacked by it likely got caught with the pants down.
What kills me about the bear community is, they are supposed to be the ones who don't get all hung up on body image and looks... it's a just-be-who-you-are, everyone's-welcome kind of thing.
Bull.
Generally, I think they are just as catty toward thin, preppy men as thin, preppy men are toward them. I get angry to hear Bear411 is excluding black men, asian men, thin men or anyone who doesn't fit their own ideal. I have quit the site as well.
I am a big, bear-type guy, but I am attracted to nonbears of all races. I get tired of being teased by bear friends for my taste in men.
I apologize to anyone who has felt unwelcome at bear websites, at bear events, or by bears themselves.
But what the hell, that just leaves more of you for me...
Agreed.
Bears say that they're all exclusive and accept everyone, yet bears don't like femme/camp guys or androgenous smooth guys either.
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Bear411 isn't nesscessarily racist just because they don't accept people who they don't like. I myself went there and tried to join but was denied, when I get a better pic maybe I can join who knows.
So basically Bear411 is a select group of people who invite only people that they find attractive etc, whatever it may be.
Edit: But I am sure you know all of this, I haven't read all of the posts, but its just a question that can be answered the same way....
So basically Bear411 is a select group of people who invite only people that they find attractive etc, whatever it may be.
Edit: But I am sure you know all of this, I haven't read all of the posts, but its just a question that can be answered the same way....
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BrandonSBCA
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Weird that most of the bears that I've ran into seem to want fems and skinny smooth guys. There are tons of guys like that on bear411, but then all the chasers are unable to join which makes it hard for them to get those kinds of bears.
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BrandonSBCA
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Yeah it's pretty easy to get the pictures without even paying, I learned that technique a while back.
mystery4637
Slut
The site is bullshit, through and through.
I myself think it's painfully racist but even if you don't there are tons of other reasons to not support the site.
I've had two friends denied from the site, and I'm not going to be any member of a site that doesn't include people because they're not "bearish" enough or some other crap like that. If all bears (whatever that means, really) and all people who appreciate bears aren't welcome, I have absolutely 0 interest.
What pisses me off more than that though is the potential for the webmaster to modify your profile without notifying you, the webmaster reading all of your correspondence on the site, and the various security problems they seem to have.
Also, as other's have said, it just looks like crap.
I'd encourage everyone to check out www.bear411sucks.com and http://sultmhoor.livejournal.com/441370.html
Avoid this garbage like the plague, guys, we're all better than this.
I myself think it's painfully racist but even if you don't there are tons of other reasons to not support the site.
I've had two friends denied from the site, and I'm not going to be any member of a site that doesn't include people because they're not "bearish" enough or some other crap like that. If all bears (whatever that means, really) and all people who appreciate bears aren't welcome, I have absolutely 0 interest.
What pisses me off more than that though is the potential for the webmaster to modify your profile without notifying you, the webmaster reading all of your correspondence on the site, and the various security problems they seem to have.
Also, as other's have said, it just looks like crap.
I'd encourage everyone to check out www.bear411sucks.com and http://sultmhoor.livejournal.com/441370.html
Avoid this garbage like the plague, guys, we're all better than this.