Being pozzed?

[barnbuddy]

op - I wish I could slap you, and the 4 that responded "yes"

WAKE UP

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

A friend of my grandmother died of AIDS, leaving behind 2 teenage sons and a preteen daughter. She got it from her asshole husband, who was fucking hookers without protection. Poor woman was sick all the time, and couldn't afford the meds. I wouldn't wish AIDS on my worst enemy.

If you think getting AIDS on purpose is fun, just cut out the middleman and kill yourself. It's quicker, cheaper and less painful.

 

[curiousunistudent]

I had to google "pozzed". Is this actually a serious thing? And if so, uhhh, WTF??????????

Just mental.

 

[Taz]

Are you.... Are you serial?

 

[justsimon]

I've seen a few documentaries and read numerous articles on bug chasing. It's disgusting, but real.

 

[rawTOP]

The site Bulge linked to is a site I run. BreedingZone.com is the biggest bug chasing / gift giving discussion forum out there right now... Honestly I'm a little surprised there is so much hatred in the responses here. "Disgusting", "Repulsive", and then there was "anyone who intentionally wants to become HIV positive deserves to get thrown down a flight of stairs and then tar and feathered".

The reason I don't understand the vitriol is because the most popular gay porn company out there is Treasure Island and bug chasing is a pretty natural outgrowth of what they portray in their videos. Dawson is the hero / role model of many bottoms. You don't do what Dawson dones and stay neg. Treasure Island takes it further by using "neg looking" bottoms in gangbangs. They have has videos where they'll take a 19 or 20 year old bottom and have him get gangbanged by a bunch of tops many of whom are undeniably poz.

And they've been the best selling gay porn company for years now. Bareback porn with pozzing overtones is now mainstream gay porn. That may be a bit of an overstatement but it's not overstating it to say that porn that glorifies bareback gangbang bottoms is extremely popular. By setting bareback gangbang bottoms up as role models they're encouraging guys to do the same (and become poz in the process). A few years ago there were huge fights on the gay webmaster boards whenever barebacking was mentioned. Now no one says anything negative - it's just accepted. Which is why I'm surprised there's so much negativity here.

Anyway, that was a long prologue to say bug chasing and even gift giving are a rather natural progression from barebacking. There's something addictive for bottoms about getting a top's load in their ass. If they also like anonymous sex then it's just a matter of time before they become poz. Becoming poz is literally inevitable for some guys. Bug chasing is just the bottom being honest with themselves about the likely outcome of their sexual desires. Personally I respect bug chasers a lot more than the bottoms who ignore reality and kid themselves that they can stay neg while letting guys they met 30 minutes before fuck them raw.

I think most of you would say the pic below is hot. If you want to be that bottom, do you think you'll stay neg?

http://www.rawtop.com/graphics/timfuck.com/42834/201719-640x356.jpg

 

[Taz]

Anyway, that was a long prologue to say bug chasing and even gift giving are a rather natural progression from barebacking.

You have got to be kidding me... In what way is it natural to go from sex, to having sex with a deathwish?

There is nothing good about a disease that kills people. ever.

 

[kallipolis]

Honestly I'm a little surprised there is so much hatred in the responses here. "Disgusting", "Repulsive",

I am surprised that the responses have been so mild.

Suicidal behaviour is not an option for the regular JUB poster.

Imbeciles posting from New York City, or anywhere else who advocate pozzing might well consider jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge, that we may be spared their advocacy of suicidal practices.

 

[rawTOP]

I am surprised that the responses have been so mild.

Suicidal behaviour is not an option for the regular JUB poster.

Imbeciles posting from New York City, or anywhere else who advocate pozzing might well consider jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge, that we may be spared their advocacy of suicidal practices.

I've asked the question a few times in a number of different ways and answer is always the same - the vast majority of the poz guys on my forum do not regret becoming poz. If they had it to do all over again, they would do the same thing again or become poz sooner.

In other words, it's unlikely a bug chaser will regret his choice down the road. It's their body, it's their choice...

I honestly don't understand how, in 2011, we still have such virulent stigma against poz guys. HIV hasn't been a death sentence for 15 years now.

 

[DragOneON]

I've asked the question a few times in a number of different ways and answer is always the same - the vast majority of the poz guys on my forum do not regret becoming poz. If they had it to do all over again, they would do the same thing again or become poz sooner.

In other words, it's unlikely a bug chaser will regret his choice down the road. It's their body, it's their choice...

I honestly don't understand how, in 2011, we still have such virulent stigma against poz guys. HIV hasn't been a death sentence for 15 years now.

You are completely missing the point. There is no "stigma" in the thread against poz guys. We all probably know and love someone positive. It's a slap in the face to most of us here for you to say that.

Advocating/ encouraging sexual gratification for a possible lifetime of sickness and death ON PURPOSE is horrific. Next thing you're going to tell me it's perfectly ok for some twink to engage in breath play while alone and hanging in a closet.

The simple fact is that we are all trying to look out for other members in the community. What you are condoning is downright irresponsible.

In your mind, sharing needles and getting everyone on heroine who wants to be on it is perfectly ok as long as it's a turn on.

Pathetic.

 

[kallipolis]

I've asked the question a few times in a number of different ways and answer is always the same - the vast majority of the poz guys on my forum do not regret becoming poz. If they had it to do all over again, they would do the same thing again or become poz sooner.

In other words, it's unlikely a bug chaser will regret his choice down the road. It's their body, it's their choice...

I honestly don't understand how, in 2011, we still have such virulent stigma against poz guys. HIV hasn't been a death sentence for 15 years now.

Regretting, or not regretting becoming HIV+ does not change the years of misery, and the premature death sentence that bug chasers impose on themselves.

There is only compassion, on my part for those who have of their own free choice, chosen to become infected with HIV.

Suicidal behaviour can never be acceptable by those of us who wish to celebrate our life as gay men, rather than condemn our selves to a premature death, preceded by years of sickness and misery.

I am happy with my self, and my life with a clear conscience to always reject any advocacy of suicidal behaviour, as symbolic of hatred of self.

 

[rawTOP]

Regretting, or not regretting becoming HIV+ does not change the years of misery, and the premature death sentence that bug chasers impose on themselves.

Some people prefer long dull lives. Other people prefer shorter lives with more excitement. Whether it's smoking or over eating or risky sex - people engage in life-shortening activities because they enjoy them.

There is no "stigma" in the thread against poz guys. We all probably know and love someone positive.

How do you think those people you know and love became poz?

Now I go back to the fact that, of the people who become poz, I respect bug chasers - they looked honestly at their life and made an informed decision that was right for them. They didn't pretend they could stay neg.

So my point is that your friend became poz through the same sex act as the bug chaser. It's just for the bug chaser it was an informed conscious decision. If you can love the person who ignored reality, why can't you love the one who was honest about their sex life?

Or lets look at the stigma another way... Smoking kills 5 times more gay guys than HIV does. Yet there's probably 100 times more hostility towards barebacking than smoking. The only explanation I see for that discrepancy bigotry/stigma. People know HIV isn't really a killer anymore, but they persist in talking about it as if it were a killer. If there were no stigma/hostility/hatred of poz guys then you'd be more upset about smoking than you are barebacking. Or maybe you're just homophobic. I honestly believe a lot of gay guys sub-consciously hold onto the homophobia they were taught as kids - they think gay sex is just generally "dirty" and evil so they strive to prove themselves wrong by mimicking heterosexual norms... Whatever the source, there's stigma...

 

[kallipolis]

Some people prefer long dull lives. Other people prefer shorter lives with more excitement. Whether it's smoking or over eating or risky sex - people engage in life-shortening activities because they enjoy them.

My life will be long, fulfilling and happy because I choose to make it so.

You may speak for your self, but not for others, who can speak for themselves.

Do not presume to speak on behalf of others when presuming that other people engage in life shortening behaviour because they enjoy shortening their life.

Enjoying ones life and self destructive behaviour, such as bug chasing are polar opposites.

There is nothing enjoyable in self destructive behaviour.

Those who advocate bug chasing are advancing arguments condemning people to a premature death, preceded by years of sickness, and misery.

There is no happiness in a life filled with sickness, misery, and loneliness with the certain knowledge that death will come to liberate them from their self imposed, premature death sentence. In that sense the victim welcomes their early death.

 

[andyspete]

My opinion is that anyone who intentionally sets out to be "pozzed", has extreme self esteem issues. I feel sorry for people that think so little of themselves that they would cause such irreparable damage to their bodies. They are completely out of touch with reality and need substantial therapy and counseling. I find it extremely sad that someone is so warped that they would ever give this horrifying notion one second of consideration. Please find some self worth and don't do this to yourself.

 

[rawTOP]

My opinion is that anyone who intentionally sets out to be "pozzed", has extreme self esteem issues. I feel sorry for people that think so little of themselves that they would cause such irreparable damage to their bodies. They are completely out of touch with reality and need substantial therapy and counseling. I find it extremely sad that someone is so warped that they would ever give this horrifying notion one second of consideration. Please find some self worth and don't do this to yourself.

Have you ever met a bug chaser or talked to one? Some are just generally submissive sexually. Some have quite impressive careers and generally have their lives pretty together... Not saying some don't need counseling, but I get the sense you're just making assumptions and painting with an overly broad brush.

 

[andyspete]

Have you ever met a bug chaser or talked to one? Some are just generally submissive sexually. Some have quite impressive careers and generally have their lives pretty together... Not saying some don't need counseling, but I get the sense you're just making assumptions and painting with an overly broad brush.

That's why I stated that it was my opinion. You have yours and I have mine and I doubt either of us is going to change the other's mind. I don't consider how successful someone appears. I personally think that if they're trying to get "pozzed", there's an unhealthy, deep-seated issue that's driving them to that behavior. But you're entitled to your view and I respect that.

 

[rawTOP]

That's why I stated that it was my opinion. You have yours and I have mine and I doubt either of us is going to change the other's mind. I don't consider how successful someone appears. I personally think that if they're trying to get "pozzed", there's an unhealthy, deep-seated issue that's driving them to that behavior. But you're entitled to your view and I respect that.

So the opinion of the person who's chatted with dozens of bug chasers means nothing to you? You'll believe what you believe no matter what the truth is? That says a lot about your opinions in general.

Not all opinions are equal. There is a thing called truth - it can be seen from many angles, but it exists.

 

[metta]

Just because there are self destructive people out there does not mean that we should say that it is ok to be self destructive. I don't care if people are ok with being self destructive, it is not an ok (healthy) thing to be and it is not something that I will ever support. And I think that rawTOP's postion on this is irresponsible and harmful.

Not to mention the health care costs. It is people like this that makes it harder to get support to get funding for AID's care.

 

[asu1117]

 

[BostonPirate]

ok

bottom line

Bug chasing is as equally dumb as it would be to sign up for diabetes, or lung cancer.

It is idiotic on so many levels that IF the idiocy needs to be pointed out to you, and you can't just see it for yourself, then even talking to you is a waste of time.

The plague continues for the actions of people like this, either ignorant or willfully self hating, these are the people that ensure aids will be in the world of our grand children.

I hope the way it felt popping your nut is worth all that. IF you do? you are the only one.

I guess at the end its all about the selfish pursuit of a desire to the point of self destruction. That sounds a lot like an addict to me.

Get therapy.