Belami interview insulting to the gay consumer

[SilverWolf]

Well, ask this guy: http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/06/28/bisexual.male.last.closet/index.html?iref=allsearch

He can't considered bisexual if he is happily married with a women--and doesn't stray from the relationship. Yet he does. Again, if you get aroused by men--or having sex with them... you might be bi.

So, if you stay in a relationship with someone, does that mean your same sex attraction mystically go away?

No. You choose to not act on it. It doesn't change your orientation which is your same sex/opposite sex/both sex attraction.

Unless you consider celibate ex- gays not gay since they choose to not to have sex or get into relationships with men even though they have same sex attraction.

 

[SilverWolf]

No that was my fault it was a typo, I edited the comment. HE STAYED WITHIN THE RELATIONSHIP!

Her husband feels a sexual and emotional attraction toward men and women. While he fantasizes about Angelina Jolie just as his straight male friends might do, he is also attracted to Brad Pitt.

So you think this guy is straight, because he chooses to not to act on his fantasies about Brad Pitt?

That's kinda like like ex-gay movements claiming they cured the gay. But they haven't. You merely suppress them. Unless you believe not acting on your desires changes your orientation?

 

[SilverWolf]

That is fine if they identify as bi, as long as you acknowledge your same sex attraction. Other times, it is apart of the coming out process. If they feel comfortable in being bi or gay fine--- BUT THOSE G-4-P PERFORMERS DON'T!

I think I have said it before. If they don't feel emotional or rationalize they are not emotionally attracted to men, then they consider themselves straight. Doesn't matter if they love sex with men. Unless they change their definition of orientation, they will firmly believe they are straight. Like I believe they are 90% straight and 10% gay. That 10% gay comes from them maybe enjoying sucking dick or getting fucked. A lot of these of guys I don't believe they are merely acting. I do realize that is technically bisexual, but I believe in shades of gray when discussing orientation

And as for above, he admits being bi because he wants sex and probably a relationship with brad pitt. if he didn't want the relationship do you think he would call himself bi? My guess is no. Again, it comes down to the individuals definition of sexual orientation.

 

[SilverWolf]

That research, says Bailey, showed that heterosexual and gay men could be distinguished on the basis of their erectile response to pictures of nude men and women. The effect is so robust, he notes, that it can be used forensically to detect men's sexual orientation, and it probably plays a significant role in shaping men's self-identification as gay or heterosexual.

"The main message is that there is a very fundamental sex difference between sexual arousal patterns in men and women," says Bailey. The difference has implications for understanding both the phenomenology of sexual orientation--what it's like to be straight, gay or lesbian--and the process by which people learn about their orientation, says Bailey.

So basically, if a guy gets it up when looking at men he's gay. If not, he's straight. And both he's bi. Then why can gay men have sex with women? It should not be possible then.

And if there is pressure, why is that a straight man desperate enough to have sex with men (get boner, insert, lose it after 30 seconds, repeat for 7 hours) to pay his rent, gets labeled as bi? Should we label all gay men who have had sex with women for years as bi?

Because that is what you are saying. You can't go against your orientation.

 

[MercuryJones]

A hand is not the same sensation as an asshole, mouth, or pussy! They are all very different.

And you can't fake fuck! No matter how much you try! Even with flesh-jack!

Sure you can.

 

[SilverWolf]

Its beginning to sound like you don't think Bisexuality is a sexual orientation.

Well don't say it to this guy: http://racecooperxxx.blogspot.com/2009/07/do-you-really-care-what-he-likes-to.html

If I did not think bisexuality is a orientation, why would I accept that a lot of straight guys are not straight? I said that many people don't consider themselves bisexual if they rationalize it being just sex with men. And if I do not believe in 100% straight or gay, what does that leave?

After I became single again, I couldn't deny that I was still attracted to girls,

Does this sound like a gay man to you? Sounds like he's bi to me.

 

[SilverWolf]

I said that many people don't consider themselves bisexual if they rationalize it being just sex with men.

Well, he identifies as BI. So again, you would make this concession he was bi--even though he wasn't in serious emotional relationships with women, yet was attracted to them; But DON'T with g-4-pay'er for having reversal of this concept? That's a double standard.

I said above, it depends on the INDIVIDUALS definition of orientation. The individuals. To you, they would bisexual. To them, straight. Did I say they were right? Did I say that was the correct definition? No. I do not justify them being straight (again I said even with my definition of orientation, that is technically bisexual)

 

[SilverWolf]

Technically Bisexual!?! --You mean Bisexual. I say a closeted bisexual.

Again, did I say you were wrong? Did I say mine was right? Shades of gray. And to me, a straight guy desperate for sexual release and willing to let a guy suck him off as a last resort, is not bisexual. 100% straight? No. To you, that is bisexual. Am I saying your definition is incorrect? No.

 

[SilverWolf]

No... shades of PUUURRRRPLE! lol

Nice to know, I'm wrong as purple. Yep, I'm wrong and your right. I'll just let you get back to being right as always.

 

[CaptainMellow]

Have followed this thread with some interest. Here is an article from a couple of weeks ago on huffingtonpost.com by Mike Alvear that touches on exactly this topic.

Are Straight Guys in Gay Porn Really Straight? Or do they claim it to boost sales?

Most people seem to think straight sex workers in gay porn are either closet case exhibitionists, money-hungry heteros or want-it-all versatiles. Personally, I don't think they're gay, straight or bi. I think they're "buy-sexual."

Gay guys should understand that term better than anyone. We've been trading sex for a certain kind of currency since the beginning of time.

How many of us dated, sexed or married a woman because it would "buy" us entry into the groups we wanted to be part of? Like family, friends, church, work, or the military. We've been doing "Straight-for-stay" a lot longer than straights have been doing "Gay-for-pay." Don't let money blind you to the meaning of currency.

Gay-for-pay says, "I have sex with men for money." Straight-to-stay says, "I have sex with women for acceptance." The currency might be different but the dynamic is not: Temporarily thwarting authentic desire for something valuable.

I've had sex with a few women yet if you pointed the Kinsey spectrum at me, Alfred himself would say he's never seen anybody gayer. If gays can get themselves "excited" for a gender we're not attracted to, why do we think straight guys can't?

There's not that much difference between gay-for-pay and straight-to-stay. Fantasy is the great enabler. If gay men can use it to get past sessions with women, why wouldn't straight guys be able to get past theirs with men? What's between your ears is more powerful than what's between your legs, even if someone's got them pinned to your shoulders.

What isn't easily defined is easily dismissed. The closest most of us can come to understanding the phenomenon of straight guys having gay sex is to say they're bi-sexual. It's hard to see that they're in fact, buy-sexual.

A direct link to the article (nice eye candy on the page): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-alvear/are-straight-guys-in-gay_b_622583.html

 

[Piquechampion]

I'm sorry but they can be emotionally heterosexual all they want, but once you have had sex with a man, you became a man who had sex with a man (homosexual, if only for the moment you did it). They still can't donate blood.

 

[MercuryJones]

I'm sorry but they can be emotionally heterosexual all they want, but once you have had sex with a man, you became a man who had sex with a man (homosexual, if only for the moment you did it). They still can't donate blood.

"Homosexual" isn't something you are for a minute. It's an orientation.

The FDA policy doesn't screen for homosexuals, but for Men who have Sex with Men (MSM). They screen for the behavior, not the orientation.

 

[Piquechampion]

"Homosexual" isn't something you are for a minute. It's an orientation.

The FDA policy doesn't screen for homosexuals, but for Men who have Sex with Men (MSM). They screen for the behavior, not the orientation.

I stand corrected then.

But still, they can pound all the pussy they want for the rest of their lives, they still had sex with men. Nothing will EVER change that.

 

[MercuryJones]

I stand corrected then.

But still, they can pound all the pussy they want for the rest of their lives, they still had sex with men. Nothing will EVER change that.

Big deal. Maybe they're just not obsessed with it.

 

[Piquechampion]

Big deal. Maybe they're just not obsessed with it.

Lol, or maybe they're just not obsessed with it as you are in trying to defend them.

Oh and FYI, they are homosexuals in behavior.

Loser.

 

[MercuryJones]

Lol, or maybe they're just not obsessed with as you are in trying to defend them.

Oh and FYI, they homosexuals in behavior.

Loser.

I'm not defending them, because there's nothing to defend. Some people are gay, some aren't.

 

[Piquechampion]

I'm not defending them, because there's nothing to defend. Some people are gay, some aren't.

And some people are not gay, but still are homosexuals in behavior. What's the big deal????

Also, some of those people are homosexuals in behavior, but still homophobes, like Lukas Ridgestone, Johan Paulik and Sebastian Bonnet.

 

[MercuryJones]

And some people are not gay, but still are homosexuals in behavior. What's the big deal????

Homosexual in behavior? So they only have sex with men?

Also, some of those people are homosexuals in behavior, but still homophobes, like Lukas Ridgestone, Johan Paulik and Sebastian Bonnet.

According to you.

 

[bankside]

yeah I've heard the whole medical thing of distinguishing between "homosexual" and "Men who have Sex with Men" (MSM) and I call bullshit.

Again the problem is in pretending that our behaviour has nothing to do with it.

I mean next they'll be saying "men who have sex with men" is restrictive of people's identity because who can we really be sure they're having sex with, in their ideation of the event?

So the next politically correct acronym will be MWMHSWWWAMHTBSTP (Men who mentally have sex with women while a man happens to be sucking their penises)

Or MWWTBPASALATCFGFBAG (Men who want to be perceived as straight as long as they can frequently get fucked by a guy)

How about MWSGMAB? (Men who say "Give me a break!)
Puh leeze.

And for the record, I'm an occasionally bi-curious gay guy, who, although it seems unlikely, if I ever fucked a woman, or got fucked by one, and enjoyed it, would then be a bi guy.

 

[SilverWolf]

I'm surprised no one caught that Duroy also said that AMERICAN models are claiming they are straight so they can get work.

It seems like America has very large gay for pay fanbase compared to other countries.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/commerce/100323/gay-porn-prague

Visibly timid, inexperienced and “hetero,” he caters perfectly to the sexual fantasies of those discerning consumers — primarily American gay men — looking to satisfy their appetites for homosexual pornography featuring straight men.