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Believer or Atheist?

If God exists, that's awesome.
If God doesn't exist, that's awesome.
If God both exists and does not exist, again that's great.
If God neither exists nor does not exist, that's a mind-fuck but it's still cool with me.
 
Im gay.Im catholic.I believe in god.

You.So called atheist gay men are delusional.You are laughable.

Gay men who pretend to be atheist fool themselves.They says that they are atheist only because religion is against gay men.If religion would not be against gay men.Gay men would not say that they are atheist.

It looks like at least half gay men or possibly even most gay men pretend to be atheist.This is totally stupid.

Are we really supposed to believe than all gay men are atheist?

Its impossible.

It prooves that gay men have a problem with homophobic religious people.Christians are known to be against gay men.So.Of course gay men will strike back and say that they are atheist.What do you expect?

You cant define yourselves as an atheist because of ignorance of religious straight people.

Most atheist people are straight.Gay men who are really atheist are in the minority.Gay men who are really atheist are atheist because they simply dont believe in religion.Unlike most gay men who pretend to be atheist.Real atheist gay men doesnt use the motive that religion is against me because im gay.So im against religion too.

We know that straight christian people doesnt want gay men to get married,they thinks gay men are against nature,they thinks gay men are not normal,they dont wants gay men to throw their lifestyle in straight people face,ect...

Even with all these things.You should not feel forced to be against religion and pretend to be atheist only because of it.

Religion is not something made for straight people.Gay men can be religious too.

Stop liying to yourselves.You are incoherent.

Im so bored of all these gay men who pretend to be atheist when they are obviously not.

Christian people doesnt agree with gay men lifestyle.We get it.But.Its not a reason to deny your faith.

Christian straight people will never play in gay men team.Its not a reason for gay men to play the atheist card.

I know that you will try to insult me.But.By doing that you will only proove my point.Because? TRUTH SHOCKS.

Its all about refusal and contradiction.

Gay men who pretend to be atheist are irrational.

God loves you.Even if you are ignorant.

Once again.Marco Sensual gave you a reality check.

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Uh, Marco, making your post huge and in red will probably inspire people to ignore you since it's a pain to try to read that.

Gay men who pretend to be atheist fool themselves.They says that they are atheist only because religion is against gay men.If religion would not be against gay men.Gay men would not say that they are atheist.
Incorrect. There are plenty of reasons to not believe in God or at least the Christian ideas about God. Gay men in general aren't so self-serving that they'd be cool with all the other stuff in the Bible about rape, murder and slavery if it weren't for those parts about how being a poof is bad for your health.

It looks like at least half gay men or possibly even most gay men pretend to be atheist.This is totally stupid.
I'm fairly certain they're not pretending.

Are we really supposed to believe than all gay men are atheist?
You're proof that they're not. So am I. I'm not atheist, I'm also not theist. Good times.

Its impossible.
There's no such thing as "impossible" there is only "improbable".

You cant define yourselves as an atheist because of ignorance of religious straight people.
You can't define yourself period. Or, at least, I wouldn't recommend it.

Most atheist people are straight.
Most people who are anything are straight, it's a statistical fact. (Sexual persuasions not included.)

Gay men who are really atheist are in the minority.
Do you have any reports to back that up because it's a pretty big claim, and since you're the one making the assertion the burden of proof is on you.

We know that straight christian people doesnt want gay men to get married,they thinks gay men are against nature,they thinks gay men are not normal,they dont wants gay men to throw their lifestyle in straight people face,ect...
There are plenty of straight Christians who believe same-sex marriage should be legal in your country.

You are incoherent.
I don't think that word means what you think it does.

Im so bored of all these gay men who pretend to be atheist when they are obviously not.
I think this is a valid point. If you want to believe in Christianity, but are preventing yourself from doing so on the basis of its stance on homosexuality then you're being mislead about what Christianity actually is. The bits forbidden homosexuality are Old Testament Laws which Jesus tossed out the window. He said so himself. If you don't accept that, then you're calling him a liar and so you have no business being Christian in the first place. I hear Buddhism is nice this time of year.

Once again you had to have a reality check from Marco Sensual.
Girl, how much have you had to drink?
 
Im gay.Im catholic.I believe in god.

You.So called atheist gay men are delusional.You are laughable.

Gay men who pretend to be atheist fool themselves.They says that they are atheist only because religion is against gay men.If religion would not be against gay men.Gay men would not say that they are atheist.

It looks like at least half gay men or possibly even most gay men pretend to be atheist.This is totally stupid.

Are we really supposed to believe than all gay men are atheist?

Its impossible.

It prooves that gay men have a problem with homophobic religious people.Christians are known to be against gay men.So.Of course gay men will strike back and say that they are atheist.What do you expect?

You cant define yourselves as an atheist because of ignorance of religious straight people.

Most atheist people are straight.Gay men who are really atheist are in the minority.Gay men who are really atheist are atheist because they simply dont believe in religion.Unlike most gay men who pretend to be atheist.Real atheist gay men doesnt use the motive that religion is against me because im gay.So im against religion too.

We know that straight christian people doesnt want gay men to get married,they thinks gay men are against nature,they thinks gay men are not normal,they dont wants gay men to throw their lifestyle in straight people face,ect...

Even with all these things.You should not feel forced to be against religion and pretend to be atheist only because of it.

Religion is not something made for straight people.Gay men can be religious too.

Stop liying to yourselves.You are incoherent.

Im so bored of all these gay men who pretend to be atheist when they are obviously not.

Christian people doesnt agree with gay men lifestyle.We get it.But.Its not a reason to deny your faith.

Christian straight people will never play in gay men team.Its not a reason for gay men to play the atheist card.

I know that you will try to insult me.But.By doing that you will only proove my point.Because? TRUTH SHOCKS.

Its all about refusal and contradiction.

Gay men who pretend to be atheist are irrational.

God loves you.Even if you are ignorant.

Once again.Marco Sensual gave you a reality check.

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I don't necessarily base my atheism on what believers of one creed or another do or say, but believers like you, Marco, make me damn certain that i want nothing of yours. What kind of service do you think you're providing your belief system and the god you proclaim belief in with your neurotic petulance? People like you are the WORST arguments for theism imaginable, as all you serve to do is reinforce to non-believers, such as myself, that there is nothing enobling or edifying about your beliefs. Bravo.
 
God does not love me, because he does not exist (strong atheist here, obviously).

It has nothing to do with what the bible says, and everything to do with the fact that the concept of a judeo-christian god, or hindu god, or any of the rest, is laughable on the face of it, and provably so.

We know from the archaeological record that there were other gods that primitive people believed in before the current gods came into fashion. The remnants of these myths are even still embedded in the bible, obscure to people that don't know their history.

For example, in Canaan (what the Israelites supposedly conquered after allegedly leaving Egypt) there was a god named El, who had 70 sons, and each son was the particular god of a tribe. His name lives on in the word Elohim, which is plural, and in names like Michael, Gabriel, even Israel.

The god you think of as Yaweh or Jehova, the 'one true god' was once just one of 70 sons of El. This is why he was 'god of the Jews', each tribe had their own representative. In Psalms, there's actually a passage that refers to Yaweh making a case before the council of gods, plural.

Much of Judaism is borrowed from other religions. The Ar of the Covenant has it's predecessor in an Ark of Isis, which is identical in every respect. You can see a real live example at the Egyptian museum in Cairo. There is a psalm that is a direct quote from a song to the sun god sung by ancient egyptians.

This is aside from the plain ridiculousness of the old testament. 10 commandments and not one against slavery or rape. In fact, God commands you to do both, over and over again! Even if he did exist I would not worship such a being. Of course, christians will claim not to, because god is all love or some other such bullshit. What this really means is that god is created by man, at the present time, to fulfill his spiritual needs. Any all-knowing, all powerful creator of the universe would not subsume himself to the present needs of his creations. If pigs are unclean, then they are unclean...if you're not supposed to do any work on the sabbath, not even starting a fire, under the pain of death, then that's how it would be forever.

No, belief in god is a fashion, and will change again in the years to come so vastly that in a few centuries what christians believe about god will be so foreign to you as to be unrecognizable. Anything that is a fashion, that comes and goes and changes ephemerally like a trick of the light based on the whims of man, cannot come from an omnipotent and omniscient being, eternal creator of the cosmos.

So, no god. No Apollo, or Zeus. No Vishnu, no Jesus, no Jehova, no Mithras, no Ishtar, no Amen-Ra, no Allah, no Isis or any of the rest. No Santa Claus or Easter bunny either, while we're at it. Just the world we're living in, and it's a pretty awesome world if you ask me. No need to invent an invisible man to explain where it al comes from. Bronze-age shepherds may have needed crutches like that, to explain where the sun went at night and where lightning and thunder came from etc etc, but we're beyond that now. Or should be.

Now there are fossils, geologic strata going back billions of years, cosmic background radiation, and ass-loads of evidence of every kind to show us where we have come from and how we got here. And you know what? Long after any religion you recognize has either passed away or morphed into something completely different and unrecognizable to you, those dinosaur bones will look exactly the same. The layers in the rocks, and the CMB will still be there, even a billion years from now even. God only wishes he had that kind of permanence.
 
I do believe in groupthink and the power of persuasion. Not just in religion but in all aspects of life.

The eight symptoms of groupthink:

1. Illusions of invulnerability creating excessive optimism and encouraging risk taking.

2. Rationalizing warnings that might challenge the group's assumptions.

3. Unquestioned belief in the morality of the group, causing members to ignore the consequences of their actions.

4. Stereotyping those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil, biased, spiteful, disfigured, impotent, or stupid.

5. Direct pressure to conform placed on any member who questions the group, couched in terms of "disloyalty".

6. Self censorship of ideas that deviate from the apparent group consensus.

7. Illusions of unanimity among group members, silence is viewed as agreement.

8. Mind guards — self-appointed members who shield the group from dissenting information.

- Irving Janis
 

I'm pretty sure science can explain the wonders of stealth bombers, satellites and hi-def television in detail and without the inclusion of, um, supernatural entities.

The atom is a better mystery.
 
I absolutely believe in God. As do most scientists, I think -- I recall seeing this in a reputable magazine at some time in the past.
 
You're right. Science cannot explain who created the first atom because no one created the first atom. It was produced in the inferno of the first seconds of the universe.

As for how we have come so far so fast: It's perfectly rational. We're human beings. We have large brains and the capacity to use tools. That's pretty much it. It's really not anything mystical. Also, you're view of "too fast" is ... strange. I mean, it took 120 years from the discovery of liquid crystals to the commercial availability of LCD televisions.

How can a prediction be accurate if the events predicted haven't happened yet? You're claiming it to be true when you don't know it's true. You simply "believe" it's true. You yourself state that you're a "believer".
 
to the big red rant "tldr" and im not an atheist or a believer im just me.... but i do worship Buffy summers. I call it slayerism feel free to join my church
 
I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead and buried. He descended into hell and on the third day he rose from the dead.
He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God
the Father Almighty. From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost. I believe in the holy catholic church and the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and in life everlasting. Amen


The apostle's creed pretty much says it all for me. They are not just words to me.
 
I haven't seen the Apostle's Creed in a long time - wording is similar to, but a little different from the Nicene Creed that we recite at Mass every Sunday.
It's a lot longer - and, while it mirrors the wording that Christ suffered, died, was buried, rose again on the third day, ascended into heaven, it does not say that he descended into Hell first.

But, yeah, I'm basically on board with that.
 
to the big red rant "tldr" and im not an atheist or a believer im just me.... but i do worship Buffy summers. I call it slayerism feel free to join my church


hmmm, intriguing. i may have to go with the splinter cult to your religion, the keybearers of Dawn.....
 
I flick between atheism and agnosticism depending on how pissy a mood I'm in.

However, being a firm believer in empirical evidence, if G_d himself were to do something unexplainable while I was expecting it - knock my pen off my desk, say, while I watched; this has been an open invitation to G_d for quite some time - I'd be happy to trade all that in for belief. Seeing is believing, as they say.

A mate of mine says that "that would make G_d into our puppet, and that's just not going to happen" but I ask both him and G_d if the end (my believing and thus theoretical Saving) justifies the means, which I believe it does. We've had many discussions about this, of course; current status is agreeing to disagree and has been for several years.

-d-
 
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