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[slipintothefog]

If Dan wins twice he's the best BB player to me. Point blank. Just like how I love Richard and Sandra but she's ahead of him in my book because they both had two chances to win and she won twice while he didn't. Saying that though I still grant a bit of a curve toward Richard and Will's second games because the reputation as the first winner will always make it harder to succeed.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

No it isn't, Will had a huge impact on who went up and who went home every week, Dan didn't.

I was talking about Season 2. Which you said you didn't see.

Also about the Janelle thing, there is more than one way to play the game. People play on their strengths and her strategy was to have a big alliance and have everyone in it fight hard to win and keep her safe if she didn't win.

This is literally the WORST way to play the game since winning comps every week has never worked for anyone except BB13 Rachel who still needed production rigging to win.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

LMAO! Remember when falconfan said last week that Dan's social game was tight? Well he was 100% right. Dan has sold Ian on the idea that the Quack is back together AND that Ian can be in The Renegades because he knows this twerp loves that kinda stuff. Ian just did the Renegade handshake and everything with Dan.

Ian then plotted with Dan/Danielle/Shane to put up Frank and Jenn and to put up Joe if Frank wins POV so they (Dan/Danielle/Shane) will be able to control the vote this week no matter what. Dan fucking blew this kid's spot up last week and still he is able to get Ian to work with him just like he got Frank to work with him last week. Amazing!

I guess Dan knew what he was doing when he fell out of that HOH comp after all. I was wrong to doubt the master. I should've realized that without Britney, there'd be no one to oppose Dan in Ian's alliance since Dan controls Danielle, Shane is a total follower, and Ian doesn't trust Frank/Jenn/Joe.

 

[falconfan]

LMAO! Remember when falconfan said last week that Dan's social game was tight? Well he was 100% right. Dan has sold Ian on the idea that the Quack is back together AND that Ian can be in The Renegades because he knows this twerp loves that kinda stuff. Ian just did the Renegade handshake and everything with Dan.

Ian then plotted with Dan/Danielle/Shane to put up Frank and Jenn and to put up Joe if Frank wins POV so they (Dan/Danielle/Shane) will be able to control the vote this week no matter what. Dan fucking blew this kid's spot up last week and still he is able to get Ian to work with him just like he got Frank to work with him last week. Amazing!

I guess Dan knew what he was doing when he fell out of that HOH comp after all. I was wrong to doubt the master. I should've realized that without Britney, there'd be no one to oppose Dan in Ian's alliance since Dan controls Danielle, Shane is a total follower, and Ian doesn't trust Frank/Jenn/Joe.

This is another situation where I'm not counting my eggs until they hatch. I doubt that Ian doesn't have some lingering doubts about Dan. But I'm honestly even more surprised that no one pieced together that Dan and Danielle were working together last week. I mean no one asked why Dan would tell her off? It was so obvious to me that the only reason one would do that was to create the appearance of a rift and the only reason one would want that would be to work in secret.

 

[falconfan]

Per the competitions vs social gameplay debate I think what it comes down to is this... I am less impressed with people who win off of competitions because a certain amount of that in inevitably luck. You need things to fall just right. You need to win the right comps. You need the comps to be something you're good at. All that is chance as much as it is skill. One can say Shane's a 'great player' based on his record but if this weeks veto were the week two comp, he'd be walking out the door. A great player has to be great under ALL circumstances, not just in the ideal circumstances in which the random comp suits their needs. Relying on a win is, relying on a chance event that may or may not happen. A player can't plan to just win everything. No one in this history of this or any other show as won EVERYTHING. You have to be prepared to play socially to survive and to win. The game doesn't come down to one final challenge it comes down to a jury, a gauge of your social strategy.

As per the matter of "floaters" I think people forget where it came from. It's a slanderous term he invented to MANIPULATE Janelle with. It's how he got her to focus on getting rid of the people who weren't coming after her instead of the actually dangerous people. There's nothing wrong with it as a strategy. Quite frankly it works and it takes more skill than winning comps. If you do it poorly you wind up walking out the door (i.e. Ashley) if you're able to wheel and deal well enough though you can stick around. Keeping yourself open to the idea of working with all people is pretty crucial to everyone giving a shit if you leave.

 

[joesman]

I loved Dan in his season and rooted for him. Somehow now he plays out of desperation just because he doesn't play the skills or win competitions even when he tries as he did with the veto ball. His social game consists of a lot of hiding out and pouting. Big ideas? The funeral junk was junk and sitting out here I was rolling my eyes as everyone in the house should have been doing instead of whining and crying. Frank is a loon. He has such a daddy need that playing with a guy is better for him than playing with a girl (Brit). Dan comes off as just sleazy to me now. If he wins the game I know he will be dragging sludge along with him because he has racked up enough to need a year long bath. I like Ian and I like watching him. He obviously has some physical issues but his face is a wonder to me with the tics of his mouth, the shifting of his eyes and the little smiles that play just briefly on the corner of his mouth and sometimes the sudden HA that slips out. I like Ian.

I know you have to be a rat and a snake and a sleazeball to win this game save Hayden who was relatively a smooth sail to his win. If Dan makes f2 or f3 he should win for his sleazeball manipulations of the loonhead Frank.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Janelle would've won BB7 if she just won the last HOH though.

But she didn't. And that's the point. You can only go to the well so many times.

Per the competitions vs social gameplay debate I think what it comes down to is this... I am less impressed with people who win off of competitions because a certain amount of that in inevitably luck. You need things to fall just right. You need to win the right comps. You need the comps to be something you're good at. All that is chance as much as it is skill. One can say Shane's a 'great player' based on his record but if this weeks veto were the week two comp, he'd be walking out the door. A great player has to be great under ALL circumstances, not just in the ideal circumstances in which the random comp suits their needs. Relying on a win is, relying on a chance event that may or may not happen. A player can't plan to just win everything. No one in this history of this or any other show as won EVERYTHING. You have to be prepared to play socially to survive and to win. The game doesn't come down to one final challenge it comes down to a jury, a gauge of your social strategy.

As per the matter of "floaters" I think people forget where it came from. It's a slanderous term he invented to MANIPULATE Janelle with. It's how he got her to focus on getting rid of the people who weren't coming after her instead of the actually dangerous people. There's nothing wrong with it as a strategy. Quite frankly it works and it takes more skill than winning comps. If you do it poorly you wind up walking out the door (i.e. Ashley) if you're able to wheel and deal well enough though you can stick around. Keeping yourself open to the idea of working with all people is pretty crucial to everyone giving a shit if you leave.

Everyone who watches these games should read this first. Well said falconfan! These are games of social strategy period.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

This is another situation where I'm not counting my eggs until they hatch. I doubt that Ian doesn't have some lingering doubts about Dan.

I know what you mean but I really think Dan is safe this week even if Frank wins POV. I was worried until I saw how that Quack meeting went down, with Ian spilling everything Frank had pitched to him minutes before. I should've seen this coming. THIS is why Dan wanted Britney out and not say someone like Shane. Because Ian doesn't trust Frank or Jenn (never have since they never treated him like a team member) especially since in his mind, they both conspired to send home his #1 ally (Britney), but he does have a relationship with the Quackers that he feels more comfortable with. On top of that, without Britney there shit-stirring (she's the one who got them all worried about Janelle and could get them worried about Dan) Ian won't have backup to go after Dan. Danielle won't cosign that and Shane has no independent thoughts of his own.

And remember Frank thinks he and Dan are in a secret alliance so even he's not offering Ian anything to go after Dan (in his meeting with Ian he conspicuously did NOT throw Dan under the bus while making his pitch) and it's not like he can offer much safety anyway with no HOH play next week. Also if Frank does win POV, the temptation to try to get him out next week (where has has to win POV again to survive) would be too great. Ian is more likely to stick with the Quack in that scenario, take out a floater (Jenn/Joe), and let another Quacker try to get out Frank next week. And that's exactly what he said to the Quack. They discussed whether -- in the event Frank wins POV -- it would be better to evict Joe or Jenn and they settled on Jenn because Ian was afraid of her winning the next HOH.

I'm kicking myself for not having predicted how simply removing Britney would change the whole dynamic of the Quack in Dan's favor.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

I love how Jenn thinks that ONE THING she did -- where she was thoroughly manipulated by Dan -- makes her a power player. LOL. The tradition of delusional cast members is alive and well in the Big Brother house.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

UGH. Pandora's Box was opened again (they really need to stop with the stupid twists) and the House got Jessie unleashed on them for a while, and Ian claims he only got a Christmas tree with presents (toys mostly) that he shared with the house. But it's very likely he's lying and he got some prize or power too. There is speculation in the house that he got the Diamond Veto (which would really suck cuz how many extra vetoes is this kid gonna get??) but of course we won't know for sure until Sunday.

For those who don't remember, the Diamond Veto -- first granted to Matt on BB12 when he won HOH and opened Pandora -- allows the holder to use the veto any time over the course of the next three weeks AND name the replacement nominee themselves (minus the HOH and the regular POV winner).

 

[diamondstar]

So Ian won HOH? My God Dan is worthless. Dani nor Jenn couldn't pull a win either? Back door Frank might sadly take place now

 

[Sgt Pepper]

FRANK & JENN ARE NOMINATED...

...as expected.

Now the question is: does Dan throw POV? Cuz Frank would expect him to use it and Jenn could demand he use it as payback for her using it on him. Maybe he could use it on Jenn, get Joe up there, tell Frank they have the votes to keep him and blindside him?

Not that any of this matters cuz Frank is totally winning that shit.

 

[falconfan]

FRANK & JENN ARE NOMINATED...

...as expected.

Now the question is: does Dan throw POV? Cuz Frank would expect him to use it and Jenn could demand he use it as payback for her using it on him. Maybe he could use it on Jenn, get Joe up there, tell Frank they have the votes to keep him and blindside him?

Not that any of this matters cuz Frank is totally winning that shit.

Which may or may not mean anything if Ian has magic Producer powers. I don't think it'll be diamond veto though, just because they don't like to repeat themselves that much. Is Frank curious about why Dan isn't up with him? Did Dan tell him about the 'reformation' of the quackers and the plan to BD Joe? Also I think Dan definitely needs to win because he's a real viable renom.

 

[joesman]

Is Frank the most nominated guy ever and if he escapes again will he be the guy who escaped eviction the most?

Jenn thinking she is playing a great game kind of reminds me how all of us are a little blind to ourselves.

 

[Adrock-JD]

All I know is two people are going home this Thursday

and Shane is still gorgeous

 

[slipintothefog]

Looked at the Wiki charts, he and Rachel's BB13 run were tied for nominations with five each until this week when Frank got his sixth.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Looked at the Wiki charts, he and Rachel's BB13 run were tied for nominations with five each until this week when Frank got his sixth.

Frank has now tied the record for the most times anyone has been on the block in a single season (6) with BB9's Sharon. If anyone can think of another player who's been up more than 6 times, please correct me. And Frank has a great chance of breaking that tie since he can easily win POV this week and he'll be a guaranteed nominee next week (since he can't play for HOH).

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Which may or may not mean anything if Ian has magic Producer powers. I don't think it'll be diamond veto though, just because they don't like to repeat themselves that much. Is Frank curious about why Dan isn't up with him? Did Dan tell him about the 'reformation' of the quackers and the plan to BD Joe? Also I think Dan definitely needs to win because he's a real viable renom.

I think Frank just thinks he and Dan have done a good job of hiding their alliance, but no Dan has NOT told him about the reformed Quack. I agree Dan needs to win POV but if he does, how does he play that? Take Jenn off, tell Frank he can get him the votes and then blindside him?

And I agree Dan is a viable renom in reality, but I don't think he is from Ian's perspective. Ian REALLY wants Frank gone in these next two weeks (before he can get HOH and come after Ian) and he thinks the Quack is his best chance at that since Jenn & Joe aren't against Frank. And without Britney, who from the Quack is going to support Dan as a renom? Danielle is Dan's bitch and Shane is Danielle's bitch so...?

EDIT: They're apparently doing the POV comp tonight which is unusual (it's usually Sat night). They picked players and SHANE is the only one not playing which I guess improves Dan's odds. A late in the day POV is usually the Morph-O-Matic which is the one comp I don't think Frank would necessarily blow them away in. I have no idea if this early comp means they're doing two evictions this week, or if it has anything to do with Pandora or what.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Also, Ian just confirmed to Joe that JOE would go up as a replacement if Frank or Jenn won POV but that he would have the votes to stay.

 

[slipintothefog]

Frank has now tied the record for the most times anyone has been on the block in a single season (6) with BB9's Sharon.

Oops. You can see how high my opinion of BB9 is, considering Sharon didn't even come to mind at all even though, as the single nice person in that alliance, she was always the pawn to get the rest of those vile people evicted.