On-Topic BOSTON GLOBE: Mitt Romney Left Bain Capital Three Years After He Said He Did

[Jack Springer]

Really ?

Are you SURE you want to go THERE, Chance ?

Because in my opinion, the "gloves are not going to come off" until after Labor Day, (and when they DO, it will be without the assistance of lubricant )

Frankly, I'm not sure how the Obama camp is going to play the "Mormon card". (It's touchy territory, and it could backfire in their face)

But, if Romney doubles down on the Rev. Wright reruns, they may have no choice.

IMO, I don't think a vast majority of Christian Republicans know diddly squat about the Mormon faith, but once the details are laid out before them, and it's explained to them that Joesph Smith is in line in front of Jesus, (not to mention all that golden plate nonsense and all the other things that go with it) it's going to be either, 1) Vote for that God fearing Obama instead, or, 2) Don't vote for anyone at all...

Wait and see.

There's a shit storm of epic proportions just around the corner.

What's the ONE thing that can trump the "jobs, jobs, jobs..." mantra ?

It's Jesus.

Mark my words.

Why is Romney's faith so important to expose and not the background of Obama? I'd like to know more about how Obama, who by his own admission was high on drugs the last two years of high school and didn't really care about his education, got to go to college in California then onto elite universities on the east coast.

Doesn't that make you the least bit curious?

If Romney has done something illegal the government should charge him with the crime. But they won't - there is no crime, just accusations that they hope will turn some independents and put doubt in the minds of people who have already decided to vote for him.

Like Charles Krauthammer said the other night -- "look at this shiny light object over here".

Romney only wins if he focuses on the failure of the Obama administration, their lies about transparency, and their ability to get dirty like Obama has from the start.

Time to bring out Jeremiah Wright and Black Liberation Theology. People need to be educated in what Black Liberation Theology means and how it's a driving force behind Barack Obama.

Dirty politics Chicago style.

 

[chance1]

Did you actually read what they said? They said specifically that there is no evidence that he was actively involved in the company, and that he, as the owner/CEO/whatever, delegated those responsibilities. I'm not sure what is so hard about this for you guys to understand.

BUT BUT BUT BUT

The "Walking Dead" don't want to read the NON PARTISAN review of this issue

They'd much prefer to rail against evil job killing Mittens - it's such good fun and if factcheck.org is right, then they're guy is a lying sack of shit - and that can't be the case

The typical response when you call The Walking Dead about Bain is "how about his stance on xyz"

Bain is garbage
Bain is lies
Bain is class warfare

and now it's been proven

But The Walking Dead want it to be so
They want George Zimmerman to be a racist
They want The Tea Party to be The Taliban

and even when they're PROVEN wrong they "cling to it" (insert ironic pause)

They're The Walking Dead - blindly following Pres. Barack Obama who will do anything to not get foreclosed on his (White) House

Anything

 

[T-Rexx]

Mitt Romney keeps telling us that he should be president because he is a captain of industry who would run America exactly like he ran Bain Capital.

I guess that means he would collect the president's salary, have himself listed as the leader of the country, attend a few meetings in Washington, and retreat to Utah while disavowing responsibility for anything that happened while he was the chief executive.

Surely we can't expect Mitt Romney to accept responsibility for what happens during his administration just because some legal document claims he is the president!

 

[evanrick]

Mitt Romney keeps telling us that he should be president because he is a captain of industry who would run America exactly like he ran Bain Capital.

I guess that means he would collect the president's salary, have himself listed as the leader of the country, attend a few meetings in Washington, and retreat to Utah while disavowing responsibility for anything that happened while he was the chief executive.

Surely we can't expect Mitt Romney to accept responsibility for what happens during his administration just because some legal document claims he is the president!

Sounds like George Bush.

 

[Benvolio]

Get serious. Obama has spent 4 years blaming every thing on Bush.

 

[chance1]

More Walking Dead distraction posts

Mods - please have the dead discuss the thread specifics please

 

[Kulindahr]

Did you actually read what they said? They said specifically that there is no evidence that he was actively involved in the company, and that he, as the owner/CEO/whatever, delegated those responsibilities. I'm not sure what is so hard about this for you guys to understand.

By Romney's own testimony, he went to board meetings. Are you telling us he didn't go? or are you claiming that while at the meetings he put in ear plugs and didn't participate? or that when it came to a decision to be made, he voted "present"?

 

[Stardreamer]

An amusing tidbit was brought up on the radio yesterday, it seems when Romney ran governor the Democrats tried to say he was not qualified because he had spent ALL his time since 1999 dealing with the Olympics in Washington state and therefore was no longer a resident of the state. Not really a relevant point in today's business world, though less common in those days, teleconferencing did exist but amusing none the less since the argument being made by them then was that he was not present running Bain and today they want to claim the opposite.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

An amusing tidbit was brought up on the radio yesterday, it seems when Romney ran governor the Democrats tried to say he was not qualified because he had spent ALL his time since 1999 dealing with the Olympics in Washington state and therefore was no longer a resident of the state. Not really a relevant point in today's business world, though less common in those days, teleconferencing did exist but amusing none the less since the argument being made by them then was that he was not present running Bain and today they want to claim the opposite.

Looking at it from the other direction, though, it can be argued that Romney made the case for still being a MA resident in 1999 and now wants to claim the opposite. It works both ways depending on which side is slinging the hypocrisy mud.

 

[Stardreamer]

Looking at it from the other direction, though, it can be argued that Romney made the case for still being a MA resident in 1999 and now wants to claim the opposite. It works both ways depending on which side is slinging the hypocrisy mud.

True enough, neither of which really proves one way or the other that he was actively involved with Bain which is why I said it is not really a relative point just an amusing one.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

True enough, neither of which really proves one way or the other that he was actively involved with Bain which is why I said it is not really a relative point just an amusing one.

Point taken.

 

[JayHawk]

True enough, neither of which really proves one way or the other that he was actively involved with Bain which is why I said it is not really a relative point just an amusing one.

It is relative in the sense that Romney is easily portrayed as a politician that will say anything at the time to get elected. In other words he really has no principles.

I can see down the road a SuperPAC ad that clearly lays out his reversals to gain power. National Healthcare or not, Pro-life or not, mass citizen or not, and I am sure there are many more that will be highlighted...

he simply has no position but "What will get me elected this time"

it plays very well at alienating people to his cause. As it did with Kerry, as it did with McCain.

 

[Stardreamer]

It is relative in the sense that Romney is easily portrayed as a politician that will say anything at the time to get elected. In other words he really has no principles.

I can see down the road a SuperPAC ad that clearly lays out his reversals to gain power. National Healthcare or not, Pro-life or not, mass citizen or not, and I am sure there are many more that will be highlighted...

he simply has no position but "What will get me elected this time"

it plays very well at alienating people to his cause. As it did with Kerry, as it did with McCain.

I like a politician who is flexible enough in his views that he can bend to the popular will inside the framework of his personal viewpoints. I can't say that Romney is one of these but then I personally think the 99+% of the politicians in Washington have no real principles anyway, they traded them in for power and politics. Those that do stick by their principles no matter what and ride them down in flames are often eaten alive or demonized.

 

[chance1]

Seems to me that "principles" - most of them are on subjects that actually have nothing to do with governing

and it depends on the position

House of Rep.
Senate
Governor
President

these IMO all require a diff skill set to "win" - with the definition of winning being making the lives of your constituents better - sometimes doing what they want - often not - and knowing when to do each

so much of what's going on today is about one thing - ECONOMICS

how do we not only kick start but create an economy that can "win" - providing jobs

repubs and dems disagree on the basic principles - that's it in a nutshell

repubs should be flexible enough to spend $ when it can help
dems should be flexible enough to extend tax cuts when it makes sense

neither side wants to be "flexible" for it would suggest weakness

Romney is a corporatist
Obama is incapable

But this Bain line of attack is just wrong

 

[JayHawk]

I like a politician who is flexible enough in his views that he can bend to the popular will inside the framework of his personal viewpoints. I can't say that Romney is one of these but then I personally think the 99+% of the politicians in Washington have no real principles anyway, they traded them in for power and politics. Those that do stick by their principles no matter what and ride them down in flames are often eaten alive or demonized.

There is a difference between shifting your view based on new information or a changing situation ala GWB on bailing out banks when the cookie crumbled on his watch. He had to shift his view or allow american markets to disappear form planet earth.

A difference between fact based shift and shifting because what actually occurred is embarrassing to you politically.

One speaks to intelligence in leadership the other speaks to lack of character.

I am thoroughly attracted to one and disgusted by the other.

 

[Kulindahr]

An amusing tidbit was brought up on the radio yesterday, it seems when Romney ran governor the Democrats tried to say he was not qualified because he had spent ALL his time since 1999 dealing with the Olympics in Washington state and therefore was no longer a resident of the state. Not really a relevant point in today's business world, though less common in those days, teleconferencing did exist but amusing none the less since the argument being made by them then was that he was not present running Bain and today they want to claim the opposite.

Except we have his own words that he went back for board meetings. That makes him an active participant in the company.

so much of what's going on today is about one thing - ECONOMICS

how do we not only kick start but create an economy that can "win" - providing jobs

repubs and dems disagree on the basic principles - that's it in a nutshell

Republicans in the Senate proved they have no principles: a bill that has to be judged as very Republican came to the Senate and they killed it.

 

[palemale]

^^ no sweetie

the bottom line of this thread is the bain article in the boston globe, the one that sucked teddy's cock to his grave and is now doing the same for barack obama ................

the basis for obama's entire re-election campaign

is bullshit demagoguery

and intentional

class warfare of the lowest kind

I do not find FactCheck.org to be a particularly reliable arbiter of facts. Mittens' claim that he was not an "active manager" of Bain between 1999 and 2002 is how he described his role, it is not a factual assertion. Whether it is a true statement depends on the underlying facts. I'm not so sure FactCheck.org understands the distinction.

Mittens' problem is one of his own making. He has said what his role at Bain "wasn't." What is important is what his role actually was. My guess is that if he came clean about his role at Bain after 1999 he wouldn't look good. Otherwise, he would simply say how active or passive a manager he was. It strains credibility to think that he would be owner, 100% stockholder, CEO, etc., yet have no clue what was going on in the company. This is especially true when one considers that he was in the process of selling his company to other directors, and would be paid out over the following 10 years. Simply to protect his future payout, one has to assume he made sure he knew what was going on.

Incidentally, Bloomberg News reported that, as late as 2002, Romney released an annual report in Massachusetts asserting that Mitt was still one of the managing partners of the firm. It said:

Romney is named as one of two managing members of Bain Capital Investors LLC in annual reports filed in Massachusetts as late as 2002, adding a new corporate entity to a growing number of Bain-related investments and funds that list the Republican presidential candidate as controlling the company three years after he said he left it.

Romney Takes to TV Newscasts to Defend Record at Bain - Bloomberg

 

[T-Rexx]

...it seems when Romney ran governor the Democrats tried to say he was not qualified because he had spent ALL his time since 1999 dealing with the Olympics in Washington state and therefore was no longer a resident of the state.

...the argument being made by them then was that he was not present running Bain and today they want to claim the opposite.

First, the 2002 Winter Olympics were held in Utah, not Washington state.

Second, it is not Democrats who are making problematic claims here.

Romney currently claims he cut all ties with Bain in 1999 when he left to go to Utah to manage the Olympics. He said he was absent from Massachusetts and he doesn't believe he returned to Massachusetts even once during the three year period from 1999 to 2002. That should have made Romney ineligible to run for governor of Massachusetts in 2002, since he could not have been a resident of the state.

But what Romney claims now is not what he told the Massachusetts Ballot Law Commission on June 17, 2002. Then, he was testifying as to his residency status in Massachusetts (in preparation for running for governor). He told the commission that there were a number of "social trips and business trips that brought [him] back" to Massachusetts, including board meetings at Lifelike, Inc. (a Bain company).

So, if you ask Romney about Bain outsourcing jobs between 1999 and 2002, he says he was not responsible because he was not part of the company then in any way, shape, or form.

But, if you ask Romney if he was a resident of Massachusetts between 1999 and 2002, he says he absolutely was a resident because he had to travel there several times to handle his responsibilities with Bain.


http://articles.boston.com/2012-07-...epublican-presidential-candidate-steel-mill/2

 

[Joshua_me]

But this Bain line of attack is just wrong

One word: "Why ?"

 

[Jack Springer]

I do not find FactCheck.org to be a particularly reliable arbiter of facts when it goes against my agenda.

Fixed it for you.