Bradley Manning [merged]

[looseliam]

Re: Frontline Publishes Wikileaks Suspect Bradley Manning's Facebook Posts

^^ if he did what they say he did, he is guilty of treason. It doesn't matter what his intentions were.

Treason in a time of war carries only one punishment in my book.

 

[EwanSF]

Re: Frontline Publishes Wikileaks Suspect Bradley Manning's Facebook Posts

You want to kill the guy for embaressing your masters? 'Cause that's all he did. Nothing he released put anyones life at risk. It just showed how your rulers are either petty underhanded children or vicious war criminals. The guys a hero.

 

[looseliam]

Re: Frontline Publishes Wikileaks Suspect Bradley Manning's Facebook Posts

You want to kill the guy for embaressing your masters? 'Cause that's all he did. Nothing he released put anyones life at risk. It just showed how your rulers are either petty underhanded children or vicious war criminals. The guys a hero.

It was not his place to release the documents no matter what the content. Period.

He is not a "he" - he is a "what" - he is property of The United States of America. He knew this when he enlisted. When his commitment is over, he can make decisions for himself. Until then, the commanders in his chain-of-command will make such decisions for him.

He is not a hero - he is a traitor.

 

[hungprep]

Re: Frontline Publishes Wikileaks Suspect Bradley Manning's Facebook Posts

^ Jawohl, Herr Leutnant!

Aber du solltest besser 'Achtung' ('Sei vorsichtig')…

I watched Frontline last night cos I thought it was unusual (and, as with the posts, above, another possible rush-to-judgment if not, also, an outright invasion of privacy) that they posted Bradley Manning's Facebook 'wall' on their (PBS!) Website…

But I was heartened to discover they were more even-handed about Manning's (possible, unproven, alleged) 'motivations' than that – while yet, all the same, in the all-too-common tradition of sensational 'TV Journalism,' delving into a 'plausible' scenario for his (again, possible, unproven, alleged) 'actions.' And Facebook, if anyone in the world is still not convinced (after seeing The Social Network, of course ), is an unmitigated swamp that was started by an insecure, unprincipled, grasping, little schmuck (however smart) solely to satisfy his own infantile/pubescent lust for money and girls (and, evidently, as he is now a soulless Billionaire, in precisely that order)!

If gay guys are so unfamiliar with the political issues, complex as they are – and unsympathetic to the implications that (apparently) also drove Julian Assange to act in the (also unproven) way that he did, for a 'greater good' (and, frankly, as smug, knee-jerk judgmental, and ignorant of the rules of evidence, as well as history since World War II, as the Good Soldier 'Schwejk,' above) – we're going to have a lot more trouble in the future, convincing anyone, straight or gay, of the correctness, and 'justice,' of our cause, whatever it may be – whether marriage (or insurance) equality, athletic ability, the (probably over-rated) reputation we enjoy for having 'Good Taste,' an inherent musical value to Lady Gaga's work… whatever.
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[kallipolis]

Bradley Manning - video report

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/may/27/bradley-manning-wikileaks-iraq-video

This video is well worth viewing from start, to finish. If only to appreciate how hard pressed the United States Army was/is to employ computer geeks.

Apart from Manning's highly troubled personality being the central feature of this video clip, The Army's communication network security lapses are mind boggling.

 

[T-Rexx]

Re: Bradley Manning - video report

What is mind-boggling is that it is taking so long to repeal DADT. If not for that idiotic bigotry, Bradley Manning would not have done what he (probably) did.

If you want peace, work for justice.

 

[JayHawk]

Re: Bradley Manning - video report

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/may/27/bradley-manning-wikileaks-iraq-video

This video is well worth viewing from start, to finish. If only to appreciate how hard pressed the United States Army was/is to employ computer geeks.

Apart from Manning's highly troubled personality being the central feature of this video clip, The Army's communication network security lapses are mind boggling.

It is truly amazing what sometimes passes for judgment in the Military. Certain specialties are definitely recruited thru many warning signs. It is a sad day that has thankfully passed. All the services are downsizing which means number of applicants shoots up and so do the standards.

What is mind-boggling is that it is taking so long to repeal DADT. If not for that idiotic bigotry, Bradley Manning would not have done what he (probably) did.

If you want peace, work for justice.

DADT being repealed and Bradley Manning have very little to do with one another. Bradley manning is a contemptible piece of shit who doesnt have the moral backbone or character to simply adhere to that which he swore to do. I have no use for cowards and traitors. Manning should be tried, convicted and shot.

 

[kallipolis]

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^I believe that to spare The Army considerable embarrassment there is the prospect that Manning may be assessed as mentally incompetent to stand trial.

In my opinion Manning has done The Army a great service.

Just imagine the consequences had the Russians, Chinese or even Al Qaeda managed to successfully penetrate The Army's communication network as a result of such inadequate, even painfully poor security.

 

[Lostlover]

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It is truly amazing what sometimes passes for judgment in the Military. Certain specialties are definitely recruited thru many warning signs. It is a sad day that has thankfully passed. All the services are downsizing which means number of applicants shoots up and so do the standards.



DADT being repealed and Bradley Manning have very little to do with one another. Bradley manning is a contemptible piece of shit who doesnt have the moral backbone or character to simply adhere to that which he swore to do. I have no use for cowards and traitors. Manning should be tried, convicted and shot.

Total traitor. And a loser. What exactly has he accomplished?

Anything short of the death penalty would be a let down to this country.

 

[JayHawk]

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^I believe that to spare The Army considerable embarrassment there is the prospect that Manning may be assessed as mentally incompetent to stand trial.

In my opinion Manning has done The Army a great service.

Just imagine the consequences had the Russians, Chinese or even Al Qaeda managed to successfully penetrate The Army's communication network as a result of such inadequate, even painfully poor security.

Often based on the requirements versus the available funds we refuse to act on anything that would cost money until it bleeds. This has played out in untold lives being lost. However it is the nature of a socialist system. I remember a few years before 9/11 we removed all of the armed guards from damn near every military installation to save money.

Total traitor. And a loser. What exactly has he accomplished?

Anything short of the death penalty would be a let down to this country.

We do actually agree on a few things ya know.

 

[kallipolis]

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Often based on the requirements versus the available funds we refuse to act on anything that would cost money until it bleeds. This has played out in untold lives being lost. However it is the nature of a socialist system. I remember a few years before 9/11 we removed all of the armed guards from damn near every military installation to save money.




We do actually agree on a few things ya know.

Armed guards at the Twin Towers would not have prevented 9/11.

There were armed guards at the entrances to The Pentagon. The Pentagon was targeted, and damaged.

The issue of security of The Army's communication network is not one of money, rather of a complete failure to appreciate the ease with which an enemy could penetrate the communication network.

I should not have to remind you of the pending extradition case of Gary McKinnon who penetrated the DOD computer network searching for data on UFO sightings. (1)

Gary McKinnon is reported to have said, and I quote:

In an interview televised on the BBC's Click programme,[42] McKinnon claimed that he was able to get into the military's networks simply by using a Perl script that searched for blank passwords; in other words his report suggests that there were computers on these networks with the default passwords active.

(1)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

 

[JayHawk]

Re: Bradley Manning - video report

Armed guards at the Twin Towers would not have prevented 9/11.

There were armed guards at the entrances to The Pentagon. The Pentagon was targeted, and damaged.

The issue of security of The Army's communication network is not one of money, rather of a complete failure to appreciate the ease with which an enemy could penetrate the communication network.

I should not have to remind you of the pending extradition case of Gary McKinnon who penetrated the DOD computer network searching for data on UFO sightings. (1)

Gary McKinnon is reported to have said, and I quote:

In an interview televised on the BBC's

Click programme,[42] McKinnon claimed that he was able to get into the military's networks simply by using a Perl script that searched for blank passwords; in other words his report suggests that there were computers on these networks with the default passwords active.

(1)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

Oh no doubt about the armed guards not preventing either event and not the argument I was making. Simply an example of how things are accomplished in this government. Blood and money are the bottom lines and blood not so much. Network security is infantile and no large corporation does a damn thing about actually securing information until it is financially prohibitive to pay for the protection. Look at all the PII spillages over the last few years. It is more a of a PR thing than a real threat. With our government; until it is a lesson learned thru blood nothing is done to correct it. Usually it is a vast amount of blood totherwise the loss is considered negligible. Look up the death stats used to justify when to pay for traffic lights.

You would probably be amazed at the many innocuous things that are classified. I imagine you would be equally amazed that there are many commercially provided systems and technologies that the pentagon would like to secure but the congress wont pay. Everything from mini submersibles to worldwide computer systems of all types and varieties.

That is why what Bradley manning did is so despicable. No lock is fullproof. I do not care what the fuck it is designed out of, if a man made it a man can defeat it. Our open system requires people to hold true to their word. It can work no other way. Look at wiki for spies against the US... you can read thru years and years of such activity. Methods may change but the goal is the same.

 

[kallipolis]

Re: Bradley Manning - video report

No lock is fullproof.

Agreed, but the DOD made it child's play.

 

[EwanSF]

Re: Bradley Manning - video report

What exactly has he accomplished?

Exposed your country as revolting human rights violators and hypocrites? And as if just to prove my point you're calling on the execution of someone that's clearly mentaly ill. Good to see where your priorities lie.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: Bradley Manning - video report

Exposed your country as revolting human rights violators and hypocrites? And as if just to prove my point you're calling on the execution of someone that's clearly mentaly ill. Good to see where your priorities lie.

And what psychiatrist or psychologist in that video said he was mentally ill? Pray tell.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: Bradley Manning - video report

(1)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

McKinnon has Asperger's. He knows the difference between right and wrong. I hope they lock his ugly ass up too.

 

[kallipolis]

Re: Bradley Manning - video report

McKinnon has Asperger's. He knows the difference between right and wrong. I hope they lock his ugly ass up too.

The issue is not one of right, or wrong.

Gary McKinnon provided a great service to the United States Department of Defense by exposing the many shortcomings in the security of its computer networks.

Imagine had the hacker been a Russian, Chinese or terrorist intent on harming the United States. As a British citizen Mr. McKinnon did no harm, merely exposed the many deficiencies in the DODs security for its computer networks.

I reckon Mr.McKinnon should be rewarded with a cash bonus, and well paid consultancy with the United States Armed Forces to ensure that the security systems of the DOD are maintained at a level to deny hacking to America's enemies.

 

[cockbrain]

Re: Bradley Manning - video report

Manning is a traitor. Execute him.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: Bradley Manning - video report

People who involuntarily lose control of their bladder are due to stress are clearly not in the best frame of mind. As a matter of fact, does any of the behaviour exhibited by Manning suggest that he was mentaly stable? Why am I even asking you, as if you give a fuck. People like you make your country famous for executing the retarded for christ sake. And well done for skipping over the war crimes in your rabid clamour to justify killing a man who did nothing but release embaressing information.

Why can't you just say that a mental health professional didn't conclude that he's psychologically impaired? We have to take one person's account as fact and then conclude he's unfit for trial? Really?

Manning knows right from wrong. Why go sneak in and download the content with such care? Why deny it then? I'd assume he was humiliated for being demoted for hitting a woman and retaliated like a child that can't articulate his grievances. Not only is he a queen, but he's a woman beater too. How manly of the gay guy to hit a woman when there are many more men around him.

What about that British doctor that killed hundreds of his own patients? If a mental health professional called him insane, you'd advocate for his release?

McKinnon has aspergers and clinical depression, making him unfit for trial. Even the tories think so, and are in the process of overturning the ridiculous extradition treaty that your former fuhrer forced on our people. You wont be getting your little show trial you fucking fascist ghoul.

You're setting a terrible precedent. Any prisoner that has clinical depression can't be held responsible by law enforcement? I wonder too how his depression went into remission when he hacked into our computers.

 

[EwanSF]

Re: Bradley Manning - video report

And he skates well over the war crimes and human rights abuses yet again! Standing ovation mate.

His mental state is irrelevant in that respect. I don't debate that he knew what he was doing, I admire the fact that he did, what does not sit with me is enacting "justice" on the infirm and the fact that you're advocating killing a person over information. He has not killed anyone, nor has persecuted any group of people, nor has he called for the death of anyone, actions that I personaly think puts someone in the firing line. He exposed crimes against humanity commited by your armed forces. As a matter of fact, he did the international community (by which I mean the people, not the UN,) a massive favour.

And using Harold Shipman as an example holds absolutely no water what-so-ever. Criminaly insane people should be institutionalised. Plus I've got to the stage where I do not believe in prison. It doesn't work as a form of rehabilitation, so all it exists for is to satify the brutish need for social revenge, retribution for imagined offence given against fools like you.

And once again, mental state is incidental. Gary McKinnon should not be handed over, not because of his mental state or fitness to stand trial, he should not be handed over to a country that I believe to be at its core, as I already mentioned, fascist. Authoritarian state, corporate elite, draconian judiciary, social darwinism as its central philosophy, rampent militarism. Il Duce would have been proud.