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Should Bradley Manning Get the Death Penalty?


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Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

The trouble is defending the legitimacy of that perception when it is the product of an uneducated over-generalisation. The same lack of education explains the idiots who made fun of the sound of your name.

Well, gee wiz, when I read your post I was happy that you've at least stopped caricaturizing what I actually said. That's a step in the right direction. But I was also sadden by you putting words in my mouth.

I wasn't legitimizing how people in different areas of the world perceive white people at all.

Again, I ask that you have the decency to forget what you thought I said and try to read the following words objectively.

You simply can't compare a culturally insensitive idiots in a first world country to someone from the backwatered area of a 3rd world country. In America, you can't take 3 steps outside without encountering someone from a different ethnic group. You can't go through the day without hearing someone speaking in a different language with their family. You can't watch tv without seeing a person of different race.

The same cannot be said of where my family came from. I remember when I was little I saw a few western movies. They were not translated, of course. The one thing that stuck out for me was that all the characters in those movies ate beef steaks and hamburgers. Everyone I knew and myself just assumed that that's what westerners ate, since we all only ate rice and vegetable, we just assumed that you guys only ate beef steak and hamburgers.

When I was in high school here in the US, one time on a field trip a teacher sitting next to me told me about her experience visiting my region of the world some 10 years before. She told me that the one thing that stuck out for her and her husband was that the places they stayed at gave them choices of beef steak, hamburgers, and a couple other very typical American foods for breakfast, lunch, and dinner everyday. They were not allowed to leave the compound for their safety. And everyday at breakfast, lunch, and dinner they were given the same choices of steak, hamburgers, etc.

Now, think about it for a moment. You were born (I'm assuming) in a privileged country and you were raised in an environment that is very educational. You can't watch tv without learning a few things about the world. You may think your life sucks, but compared to many regions of the world you actually live like princes.

So, I actually take offense at you comparing a first world culturally insensitive idiot to my background.

This is why I cringe every time I see news of another American soldier misbehaving in the middle east. Over here, we have the benefit of understanding cultural diversity and individual character. But for many people in the world, the one American that misbehaves is probably the only American they will ever meet in their lives. How do you think they'll think about the rest of us Americans?

I'm not legitimizing the way people judge a whole race or population based on the few. I am trying to make you understand that none of what you've learned about cultural diversity and individual character of each individual within a group of people matter when we are talking about people from certain backgrounds.

What can you do? Well, try to educate your fellow neighbors. Tell them that we don't, in fact, name our kids by dropping a can down the stairs. Tell them to be more understanding to the people of certain places in the world that haven't had the privileges of education, ps3, xbox, etc. And for godssake, tell them don't just join the army and start shooting at random huts in random villages. Because every time that happens, the rest of us get a bad rep. The villagers in Afghanistan aren't going to sit down and have a philosophical debate of whether Americans are typically heartless like that. As far as they are concern, the only Americans they ever ran into laid waste to their whole village.

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The last time I visited my country, I found out that our favorite fruit the durian had been banned in most public places. Western tourists have been demanding that the fruit be banned from those places because they couldn't stand the smell. Talking about going to another country and demand they conform to our own likes and dislikes...
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

I may not understand, but I have to respect her choice...
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

I do wonder with this guy whether both the leaking of material and the gender issues are merely an attention seeking device
It seems to me that he had to have known that the leaks would be traced back to him and he would be caught
I somehow don't buy his story of being principled about secrets

People do weird and seemingly idiotic things when they are not themselves.

Once upon a time, I was madly in love with a guy that gradually transitioned into a woman right before my eyes. Trust me, when people aren't allowed to live by who they are, sometimes they do stupid things. Like ruining their lives.

Again, we as a society has failed Manning. Too bad people are refusing to see that and continue to blame her.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

Wow , just wow . This Thread should be on the *New York* best-sellers list .

i believe "Manning" was the original topic , oh and being "transgender" is more than a physical illness , Psychologically it destroys countless lives each year .

So what happened to Manning ?............:confused:

Apologies for going off topic, or appear to be. The subject, I believe, is more than just about the Manning verdict. You can't understand what's happened regarding to the Manning issue without understanding diversity in character, background, etc. And you can't understand any of that without trying to think beyond your own world view and principles.

In this case, I've been trying to get bankside and a few others to understand beyond what they understand based on their surrounding.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

It can be, but it is by no means always. Obesity is endemic among the poor today in America, and it is not from not being able to afford enough to eat. Squalor is more a choice, as a cardboard box can be kept clean. Many a poor man's home is spotless, even if rented.

I wasn't talking about cleanliness with regard to squalor, so much as things-that-work. When there's a hole in your roof, your back door doesn't shut, the fridge is broken, carpets that should have been pulled up ten years ago, the upstairs toilet doesn't really work - it is not going to look (or smell) the best. And that's one of the better places I've lived recently.

Obesity remains about not being able to afford enough to eat. If someone is putting not-nutritious food into their body because it's cheaper so they can afford enough of it (or even half of enough of it for their body not to claim it's starving) but that crap still contains a bunch of things most people can't even pronounce, nary a vitamin to be seen and a calorie count in the thousands, there's a problem.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

We won't even discuss where I grew up, just to say that there was no heat whatsoever. Unless you wanted to die from smoke inhalation. And all of that was still better than being homeless in winter, because I've done that, too. Oh god that's nasty. Wanted to kick my mothers ass for that one for ages because there was still part of a roof there and she made me walk.

Your definition of squalor is about like mine- but I'm betting damn near everyone else's definition of squalor isn't the same.

My point was that if you're going to base medical care given in prison on what everyone has, and say that she doesn't get access to hormones and surgery because it isn't covered for everyone else then it logically follows that she also doesn't get access to all those comforts like heat, and adequate food, and a working roof.

And since I see you're not doing that, I consider it an illogical leap. Because she's not getting the bottom of the barrel. The bottom of the barrel in the states is death by hunger, or death by lack of medical care or death by winter with no home.

Trans related surgery has also been shown to be cheaper in the long run than the medical care needed to go without it. Hormones for trans women are about fifteen bucks, lowest price.

Obesity remains about not being able to afford enough to eat. If someone is putting not-nutritious food into their body because it's cheaper so they can afford enough of it (or even half of enough of it for their body not to claim it's starving) but that crap contains a bunch of things most people can't even pronounce, nary a vitamin to be seen and a calorie count in the thousands, there's a problem.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

^Thank you so much for making me take a longhard look at myself..........was ashamed at what i discovered .
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

- edited, my bad, they're $4 on the prescription list. Off them I can't remember. I think they're about twenty bucks but I don't feel like going and asking the roommate. I do know they're cheaper than mine. T is 20 or 25 bucks for a three month supply at my dosage since we switched to Walgreens, and I don't get an insurance discount since my insurance doesn't cover it. In Florida (which was the pharmacy I used to order from) it was $35 or 40 plus the cost of needles. Walgreens keep gauging people on needle price so those we still get from Florida. Whereas Florida just gauged you on T price. All depends on where you order it from, and the state/federal level tends to order things in bulk at discounted prices.

Most trans women don't need breast augmentation - hormones do that. I'm pretty sure most trans women don't need ffs, either. Most trans people, despite popular opinion, you can't actually spot. You only think you can spot us because all you see is that awkward 'going through puberty for a second time' stage. Most trans men do need hystorectomies, though.

It would be funny to see people going "Not my dollars!" when the price of hormones is cheaper for a three month supply than a McMeal for 2 if it weren't so goddamn sad.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

^Thank you so much for making me take a longhard look at myself..........was ashamed at what i discovered .

If you're replying to something I typed (and even if you're not) - Eh, it happens. Fuck knows I don't like some of the things I discover about my very own self. I'd regale you with some o'the tales but I ain't masochistic in quite that way.;)
 
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