British gays and European Union

[otters]

In the strictist sense all the nations of the European Union are European despite each nation being sovereign....there being no European nationality, language, culture, or history....all these being in the domain of each sovereign nation that makes up the EU.

This is not entirely correct: we have the EU citizenship, e.g.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

I don't really know what a European identity would be? I don't know when I would identity as a European - its a strange idea. I am not opposed to it at all, I know in a sense I am European. But I just don't have any meaning tied to it, beyond from the continent of Europe.

 

[IamNoah]

https://books.google.com/books?id=X...=germans calling themselves europeans&f=false

 

[JohnnyAnger]

This is becoming awkward. I was last in Germany (Munich and other Bavarian locations) in December. As I stated in my first response to you this might be a cohort thing--most people that I interact with on a personal level are of my age group, class, and education level. I do not imagine, as you seem to do, that Germans are some monolith with language taboos against calling themselves Europeans, nor do I consider them doing so or not doing so as a matter to expend much time arguing about. I can supply you with the email address of a German who calls himself European if you'd like.

I don't disbelieve you, but I have never really seen this. Everyone first and foremost identities as their nationality if asked in Europe.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

https://books.google.com/books?id=X...=germans calling themselves europeans&f=false

I would like to see how much that has changed since the economic crash.

 

[IamNoah]

I don't disbelieve you, but I have never really seen this. Everyone first and foremost identities as their nationality if asked in Europe.

I have no doubt but that the people I'm referring to have German-ness as a primary identity. Though interestingly I think most of their great-grandparents and all their great-great-grandparents would've rather more identified with Wurttemberg, or Bavaria, Brunswick, Prussia, etc than with "Germany" as such, and at least for Bavarians Bavaria seems to be a much more motivating homeland/cultural base than Deutschland itself. Sometimes Bavarians, especially the blooded/monied sort can be heard saying things like "Germany, whatever that is."

 

[kallipolis]

This is not entirely correct: we have the EU citizenship, e.g.

Your passport will describe you as a citizen of the United Kingdom, France, Greece etc.

European Citizenship is a legal term that enables you to move freely throughout EU countries for work, residence etc.

There is no EU nationality in the sense that one is German, Spanish, Italian etc. for the EU is a trading, and political union of independent, sovereign nations working together.

 

[kallipolis]

This is becoming awkward. I was last in Germany (Munich and other Bavarian locations) in December. As I stated in my first response to you this might be a cohort thing--most people that I interact with on a personal level are of my age group, class, and education level. I do not imagine, as you seem to do, that Germans are some monolith with language taboos against calling themselves Europeans, nor do I consider them doing so or not doing so as a matter to expend much time arguing about. I can supply you with the email address of a German who calls himself European if you'd like.

You would make a poor player of Poker.....the issue is not what Germans, are not....but how they describe themselves....I have no direct experience with Germans who refer to themselves, other than calling themselves, German....this applies across the nations of the EU....it is defintely an American habit to refer to Europeans whereas, we here properly identify by our individual nationalities.

 

[otters]

I have no doubt but that the people I'm referring to have German-ness as a primary identity. Though interestingly I think most of their great-grandparents and all their great-great-grandparents would've rather more identified with Wurttemberg, or Bavaria, Brunswick, Prussia, etc than with "Germany" as such, and at least for Bavarians Bavaria seems to be a much more motivating homeland/cultural base than Deutschland itself. Sometimes Bavarians, especially the blooded/monied sort can be heard saying things like "Germany, whatever that is."

An expert wrote:

Bavaria = Texas in midst of Europe. Wonderful country, but so many abominably swollen-headed people. Main difference: they don't have oil.

 

[Telstra]

When you look at the map, European Union is like China ....
and the British Islands is like Japan but more violent LOL

 

[JohnnyAnger]

An expert wrote:

Bavaria = Texas in midst of Europe. Wonderful country, but so many abominably swollen-headed people. Main difference: they don't have oil.

I wonder who that expert was hmmmm

 

[IamNoah]

Texas has not preserved a unique identity for a thousand years, but I hear you Otters.

 

[otters]

I wonder who that expert was hmmmm

Texas has not preserved a unique identity for a thousand years, but I hear you Otters.

"Bavaria is perhaps the only German state which has succeeded through material significance, determined by the pronounced tribal peculiarities and the talent of its rulers to form a true and self-contented national sentiment."
(Bismarck to the Prussian ambassador in Munich, 1865)

 

[kallipolis]

When you look at the map, European Union is like China ....
and the British Islands is like Japan but more violent LOL

I am sure that Mandarin, and Cantonese features prominently in daily conversations across the countries of the EU.

 

[kallipolis]

"Bavaria is perhaps the only German state which has succeeded through material significance, determined by the pronounced tribal peculiarities and the talent of its rulers to form a true and self-contented national sentiment."
(Bismarck to the Prussian ambassador in Munich, 1865)

Regional sentiments feature strongly in all EU countries...just look at Scotland...with Cretans, here in Greece well aware of their superiority....so they insist on telling the rest of us...

 

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_see lot a loons-
far far far away
_until 1 step fa man_
ans down a hole
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ans a 1 2 3
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thankyou

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[kallipolis]

_see lot a loons-

Welcome to the human race......

 

[nycguydowntown]

my experience living in NYC with tons of European tourists and immigrants living and visiting here--is that they refer to themselves as Italian, French, German, British,etc. and very proud of their country/culture--as it should be---no matter what economic state they are in---
(FYI--some people in the city refer to anyone who comes here from Europe and lives/works here as Eurotrash---that refers to arrogant Europeans who think they know it all and have all the answers and are too cool for their own good.)

 

[nyctopgam]

I have a question for the British gays, how do you feel about the United Kingdom being a part of the European Union? Do people in the United Kingdom feel like they are a part of Europe or somehow separate? I have always wondered the United Kingdom is an Island nation separated from the rest of Europe. Just wondering how European do the British feel or do they feel they are different?

I don't have any thoughts on this since I don't see why British gays should feel any different from the rest of the population.

Not very related but I have always wondered why EU even talks to Britain about joining. They'll ask to join when they want to. Until then it's just a waste of time. Scotland will probably ask and join first.

 

[IamNoah]

I don't have any thoughts on this since I don't see why British gays should feel any different from the rest of the population.

Not very related but I have always wondered why EU even talks to Britain about joining. They'll ask to join when they want to. Until then it's just a waste of time. Scotland will probably ask and join first.

Britain is already in the EU--though mercifully it has not jettisoned the pound.