bugchasing and HIV

[Telstra]

Just watched "The Gift (Bug Chasing Documentary)"

I feel anger, disappointment and disgusted with these people.
HIV is a life sentence !!!

 

[Willie Boy]

I still cannot believe this is a thing. I've heard of deliberately infecting someone else, which is an atrocious thing to do of course but at least I can draw some sense out of that. This is just something else...

Their whole premise is "why go through all the stress of waiting and wondering when it will happen? Why not just get the shit and live life free from the worry?"

Granted, there are major flaws with their way of thinking (like why get it if you don't have too), but the thought of using a condom/being careful is far too evil in their eyes that they'd rather just waste what little life they'll have trying to shorten it further.

That is the sense in their position.

 

[highwindcaleb]

this is one of the posts that made to go 'wtf'
https://www.breedingzone.com/threads/24104-My-bottom-boy-is-one-sick-boy-right-now

in it they are congratulating him and one of the guys talks about passing on the strain. like he gave HIV to the man who gave HIV to the guy the post if about
"Looks like he got me a grandson carrying my POZ strain now. "

 

[Kulindahr]

They should be identified and cut off from all health care assistance -- no insurance, no national care, only cold hard cash or nothing.

Why? Because they are telling all the rest of us, "Fuck you! We're going to make you pay for us for the rest of our lives!" If they want to harm themselves, it isn't our job to lift that burden for them.

 

[Willie Boy]

this is one of the posts that made to go 'wtf'
https://www.breedingzone.com/threads/24104-My-bottom-boy-is-one-sick-boy-right-now

in it they are congratulating him and one of the guys talks about passing on the strain. like he gave HIV to the man who gave HIV to the guy the post if about
"Looks like he got me a grandson carrying my POZ strain now. "

Yep. Soulless vampires basically.

They should be identified and cut off from all health care assistance -- no insurance, no national care, only cold hard cash or nothing.

Why? Because they are telling all the rest of us, "Fuck you! We're going to make you pay for us for the rest of our lives!" If they want to harm themselves, it isn't our job to lift that burden for them.

Great idea, but there are too many bleeding hearts who cry that that is inhumane.

 

[bankside]

WHAT THE EVER LOVING FUCK IS GOING ON!

thats about it... my gays need to come up with some solutions for this... os some damn good explanations for this website called "breedingzone"

1. We allow people with profound mental illness to have sex.

2. We allow people to have websites about sex while under the influence of a profound mental illness.

Saying "What the ever loving fuck is going on?" is like being amazed that some guy thinks he is the reincarnation of Napoleon and then being astonished to find out he made a web site about it. Of course he made a web site about it, he thinks he's fucking Napoleon.

Why do we allow those two things? No fucking clue.

 

[Willie Boy]

1. We allow people with profound stupidity to have sex.

2. We allow people to have websites about sex while under the influence of profound stupidity.

There, corrected it for you. The issue is not mental illness but a serious refusal of intelligence.

 

[bankside]

There, corrected it for you. The issue is not mental illness but a serious refusal of intelligence.

The thing is, I picture these people in a school, learning about safer sex, and I don't think they are slow learners. Then I picture them in an asylum, having their behaviour controlled by padded walls while they undergo treatment, and it makes more sense. They don't have difficulty understanding the basic cause and effect. They have attached the wrong meaning to it.

 

[Kulindahr]

These are a bunch of guys who make the 'people of Walmart' look bright and suave and wise.

 

[eastofeden]

They should be identified and cut off from all health care assistance -- no insurance, no national care, only cold hard cash or nothing.

Why? Because they are telling all the rest of us, "Fuck you! We're going to make you pay for us for the rest of our lives!" If they want to harm themselves, it isn't our job to lift that burden for them.

We might as well cut off the smokers...and drinkers...and people who are obese...people who talk on the cell phone while driving...

Most of us do things that we know will results in disease...and death.

 

[Kulindahr]

We might as well cut off the smokers...and drinkers...and people who are obese...people who talk on the cell phone while driving...

Most of us do things that we know will results in disease...and death.

Smokers, yes; drinkers, not necessarily; obese, not necessarily.

Many of us do things that we know MIGHT result in disease/death -- not many deliberately do things they KNOW will kill them.

 

[dereperez]

It's masochistic. And yet weirdly logical in a perverse psychological sense. It's understandably liberating but so very dumb. I'm definitely not a judgmental guy but this is one case where I just have to say "well, damn." You can count me out though that's for sure.

 

[Kulindahr]

It's masochistic. And yet weirdly logical in a perverse psychological sense. It's understandably liberating but so very dumb. I'm definitely not a judgmental guy but this is one case where I just have to say "well, damn." You can count me out though that's for sure.

Kinda like deciding hell, I'm likely to have a car wreck one day, so what the heck -- I'll take the brakes out.

 

[eastofeden]

What makes you think that being diagnosed means that the fear suddenly goes away? If anything it probably makes you even more afraid. If you had practiced safe sex there wouldn't be a reason to live in fear.
Also, getting infected is hardly the end of the road. Once you are infected you will definitely have a reason to be afraid.
I've only known a few people who are hiv+, most of them got it before the more successful treatments came out, but I know one guy who has only had it for maybe 5 years but despite this the medications that he has taken do not work wonders and if nothing else have significantly altered his physical appearance.

I have a bad case of Survivors Guilt. It has gotten better over the years...but not much. I have resigned myself to living with it. Had I been diagnosed it would have been the "cure" for that...and Survivors Guilt is a bitch to deal with. It is highly unlikely I would have ever sought out the bug but I have no problem putting myself in other people's shoes and I am not really gonna tear them apart because something had already done that if they are seeking this....


I have never been afraid of dying. I am afraid of being afraid though....

 

[Kulindahr]

I have a bad case of Survivors Guilt. It has gotten better over the years...but not much. I have resigned myself to living with it. Had I been diagnosed it would have been the "cure" for that...and Survivors Guilt is a bitch to deal with. It is highly unlikely I would have ever sought out the bug but I have no problem putting myself in other people's shoes and I am not really gonna tear them apart because something had already done that if they are seeking this....


I have never been afraid of dying. I am afraid of being afraid though....

I can kind of relate to survivor's guilt. I had a fellow lifeguard briefly who had a case after he went into a dangerous situation to pull a kid out and ended up having to be pulled out himself -- but the kid he went after didn't make it. It really changed him.

 

[eastofeden]

Smokers, yes; drinkers, not necessarily; obese, not necessarily.

Many of us do things that we know MIGHT result in disease/death -- not many deliberately do things they KNOW will kill them.

Not really....people who make these choices rely on the drugs and treatments available...so do the HIV+ people. It is easy to point fingers at them but self destructive behavior is the bottom line here.... I have been there myself and I "get it".

 

[Kulindahr]

Not really....people who make these choices rely on the drugs and treatments available...so do the HIV+ people. It is easy to point fingers at them but self destructive behavior is the bottom line here.... I have been there myself and I "get it".

Self-destructive and very hateful to the world is more like it -- they don't just want to die, they want it to cost the rest of us millions.

 

[dereperez]

this is one of the posts that made to go 'wtf'
https://www.breedingzone.com/threads/24104-My-bottom-boy-is-one-sick-boy-right-now

in it they are congratulating him and one of the guys talks about passing on the strain. like he gave HIV to the man who gave HIV to the guy the post if about
"Looks like he got me a grandson carrying my POZ strain now. "

Isn't that akin to premeditated murder? Just not with the usual weapon of choice. How long will it take before the law considers this a criminal offense? Should be first-degree murder IMO. I don't care if the "victim" wanted it.

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Kinda like deciding hell, I'm likely to have a car wreck one day, so what the heck -- I'll take the brakes out.

Right. And recklessly killing as many people as possible on the streets.

 

[eastofeden]

I can kind of relate to survivor's guilt. I had a fellow lifeguard briefly who had a case after he went into a dangerous situation to pull a kid out and ended up having to be pulled out himself -- but the kid he went after didn't make it. It really changed him.

Yeah...it can be real bad...pretty much disabled me at one point....all I wanted to do was scream until I didn't feel anything anymore.

I feel for your friend...I can see how that would haunt him and it is a very tough thing to overcome. I am convinced that it always stays with you on some level. .

 

[Kulindahr]

Isn't that akin to premeditated murder? Just not with the usual weapon of choice. How long will it take before the law considers this a criminal offense? Should be first-degree murder IMO. I don't care if the "victim" wanted it.

Good point -- if someone asked me to shoot him in the head, and I did, it would still be murder. There are places with laws under which drug dealers who knowingly deal a tainted product can be charged with murder; let's get knowingly passing on HIV on the same status.

Right. And recklessly killing as many people as possible on the streets.