Campus Cops Brutalize Peaceful Students Protesting Tuition Hikes at UC Riverside

[Kulindahr]

Now if these "protestors" want the benefit of a state sponsored education in California, they need to dig a bit deeper. Not picking up barricades and harassing the authorities unless they'd like to spend time in another state sponsored institution.

Ya know I don't make my threads on topic because I like where the jubbers can take it. You are going off on a direction I don't like. The topic is about police beating protesters. You say very, very little about the police's actions. Now I wish you would go on and discuss the police brutality. Thanks.

He is discussing it -- except he's accusing protesters who were trying to protect themselves from brutal police of tearing something down. Self-defense has become "harassment" and expecting a meeting that apparently by law is supposed to be open and available to comment to be so has become a crime.

That's how it goes in the authoritarian world: attacks on liberty are crimes by those seeking to uphold liberty.

 

[White Eagle]

I'd love to except that I watched the video three times and there was no brutality. Nobody beaten to the ground. Nobody even sprayed or tasered. Does maintaining a skirmish line constitute brutality? When the protestors invade that space and they get repelled, is that what you consider brutality?

Watch it again. At 11, 58, clubs in action and 128 rubber bullets.
I asked you to change the direction because I don't know who your Mod is.
If you can't do that, then please close it.

 

[White Eagle]

That's why we are trying to close loop holes in the tax code that cost this state up to $10 billion or even more every year. Half of the economy isn't even taxed. I've posted my sources to my argument.

I think you should slow down on being so anti-California. Our state is very capitalist and deregulated, paying the price for it.

Fair enough. I will do that for the OP because I highly respect him and think he's a nice guy.

Thanks.

 

[White Eagle]

Good lord, stop being a Stalinist and become an American!

The article plainly said cops just started attacking students who were being peaceful. Then students tried to bring in a barrier to keep the police away, so the cops opened fire with rubber bullets.

Cookies and milk would be a better option than acting like hired goons.

Thanks, So I'm not the only one to see it.

 

[White Eagle]

He is discussing it -- except he's accusing protesters who were trying to protect themselves from brutal police of tearing something down. Self-defense has become "harassment" and expecting a meeting that apparently by law is supposed to be open and available to comment to be so has become a crime.

That's how it goes in the authoritarian world: attacks on liberty are crimes by those seeking to uphold liberty.

Ok, so maybe I needed to make the title about the authoritarian police.

 

[jackoroe]

He is discussing it -- except he's accusing protesters who were trying to protect themselves from brutal police of tearing something down. Self-defense has become "harassment" and expecting a meeting that apparently by law is supposed to be open and available to comment to be so has become a crime.

That's how it goes in the authoritarian world: attacks on liberty are crimes by those seeking to uphold liberty.

No, it isn't peaceful protest to encroach on a skirmish line. Once you are close enough to touch the officers you are close enough to assault them or take their weapons. You do not have to wait to he assaulted to prevent an assault from occurring in such situations. That's the part some of you aren't getting. The use of sticks was appropriate to regain the space between the skirmish line and the protestors. The protestors picked up a large, heavy, metal barricade. That's called a weapon. The use of rubber bullets would be acceptable to convince them to engage in a different course of action and it apparently worked.

Freedom of speech means you get to speak your mind. It doesn't include the right to physically menace anybody or to pick up large metal objects to hurl at them.

 

[palemale]

No, it isn't peaceful protest to encroach on a skirmish line. Once you are close enough to touch the officers you are close enough to assault them or take their weapons. You do not have to wait to he assaulted to prevent an assault from occurring in such situations. That's the part some of you aren't getting. The use of sticks was appropriate to regain the space between the skirmish line and the protestors. The protestors picked up a large, heavy, metal barricade. That's called a weapon. The use of rubber bullets would be acceptable to convince them to engage in a different course of action and it apparently worked.

Freedom of speech means you get to speak your mind. It doesn't include the right to physically menace anybody or to pick up large metal objects to hurl at them.

It looked to me like the only encroaching going on was by the police. Most of the protestors sat down. California has a notoriously aggressive police culture. I used to live in California. The police seem to think it is their right to abuse civilians. Unfortunately, too many police officers don't respect the rights of the people and don't seem to recognize police brutality.

I had a friend in California who was leaving a restaurant with his wife and friends. Some cops mistook him for a suspect in another crime, one grabbed him around the neck with his night stick. My friend lost consciousness and fell to the pavement, hitting his head. When the cops realized their mistake, they arrested him for resisting arrest. I guess he didn't lose consciousness quickly enough when he was being strangled by the cop.

 

[White Eagle]

Good Lord, Jack. You will spin anything won't you. It's apparent you are in favor of the authoritarian state this country is becoming. I doubt they could hurl that fence strong enough to hurt those unprotected police. You need to watch what you are saying, you may sound like some of the members you have banned.

 

[White Eagle]

I hope you had the time to watch Gabby Gifford's appearance on the House floor this am. Eric Cantor, of all people had a very moving speech and said this. "Freedom of speech and association are the cornerstone of this country."
"Association" may not be the word he used but you get the drift.

 

[rareboy]

I find it ironic that Jack, who thinks that Obama is an enemy of Freedom has no issue with police beating the shit out of peaceful protestors to teach them a lesson about the economy.

 

[chance1]

watching the video with only the vantage point of the students is not reasonable

i don't see any "brutalization"

police brutality is not a funny thing - and not something to be dismissed lightly

but much like the faux racism drops by many here ......

faux police brutality claims lessen the realness of real police brutality

this video shows no police brutality

 

[White Eagle]

I will tell you what I told Jack.
Watch it again. At 11, 58, clubs in action and 128 rubber bullets.
You are the least of persons I would ask about Police brutality.

 

[Kulindahr]

No, it isn't peaceful protest to encroach on a skirmish line. Once you are close enough to touch the officers you are close enough to assault them or take their weapons. You do not have to wait to he assaulted to prevent an assault from occurring in such situations. That's the part some of you aren't getting. The use of sticks was appropriate to regain the space between the skirmish line and the protestors. The protestors picked up a large, heavy, metal barricade. That's called a weapon. The use of rubber bullets would be acceptable to convince them to engage in a different course of action and it apparently worked.

Freedom of speech means you get to speak your mind. It doesn't include the right to physically menace anybody or to pick up large metal objects to hurl at them.

Let's look at the implications of this reasoning. If this is valid, then police should be able to just walk up and beat up....

people standing close to a shelf in a store, because they're close enough to shoplift
people standing on a street corner, because they're close enough to jaywalk
people carrying solid objects, near any structure, because they're close enough to commit vandalism

or, for that matter, all women, because they're out in society with the equipment to commit prostitution.


The "they might be able to commit a crime" argument isn't just authoritarian, it's despotic, a barely restrained anarchy. With that reasoning, police should just shoot anyone carrying a weapon of any sort who's in range of anyone else, because they're close enough to commit a murder.

So next time I lawfully take one of my guns to a gunsmith for some work, by your logic the police should shower me with rubber bullets.

 

[chance1]

You are the least of persons I would ask about Police brutality.

this video proves NADA

and your conclusion is faulty - which is par for the course

there's an old saying about crying wolf

check it out

 

[Kulindahr]

I will tell you what I told Jack.
Watch it again. At 11, 58, clubs in action and 128 rubber bullets.
You are the least of persons I would ask about Police brutality.

I watched it again, and saw several instances of unprovoked police violence.

But the mere presence of the police -- to play the flip side of jackoroe's argument -- was violence. Where was the evidence that any police were needed? The students were lawfully where they were, engaged in lawful activity. Had there been any vandalism? any threats? any actual disruptions?

Apparently it's legit to some people to just park hordes of cops somewhere as a provocation and then use the natural anger of people to justify police assaulting people without cause. It sounds like the Bush Doctrine on the civic level: we think they might possibly be maybe intending to do something we wouldn't approve of, so we'll strike first and beat the shit out of them.

 

[White Eagle]

For those claiming no police brutality. All they have to do is click on the video which will take you to 20 videos on You Tube. Surely Jack and Chance you've heard of You tube
I found an 11 minute video of "The Day After the UC Regents Meeting at UCR - 01-20-2012.
This is a young man that explains what the protesters were doing with the fencing that You Jack say can be used for vioilence. They were protecting a young girl who was injured by the police.
Now let's hear this isn't Police Brutality.

 

[White Eagle]

Oh yeah, around 3:30 in the video the young man shows the 3 rubber bullet wounds he received. Oh, Yeah, that's ok it's rubber.

 

[palemale]

Whoever was responsible for firing the rubber bullets should be fired, no matter how far up the chain of command it goes. There was no justification for firing rubber bullets whatsoever.

 

[chance1]

Did you even watch the video? You'll make excuses for anyone that bashes in the heads of people you don't agree with. You aren't a defender of democracy values or freedom... more like authoritarianism.

yeah - it's a short one

eliminating the impact of my ADD

not a defender of democracy? that's just silly

i would say that mussolini made the trains run on time but u wouldn't get it

 

[Kulindahr]

I love the summation at the end, that the official (was that the chancellor?) agreed with: the guy was eligible to be shot by campus police but wasn't eligible to be treated by campus medics.

Sounds like the campus needs to carry insurance for when they call in someone's thugs to rough up peaceful people.