Cantor: Wall street Mob a vast left wing conspiracy

[BostonPirate]

This movement is NOT ANTI CORPORATIONS. It is ANTI corruption in our politics!

And, this movement is NOT LIBERAL LEANING. Do not listen to the media paid by the 1% to divide and conquer our nation. This movement has people from all walks of life, political leanings, etc... to bring about an end to the corruption in our politics, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS included.

this is a great speech, but here are the last two sentences of it. I hope everyone follows the link and people read the whole thing.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/07-0#.To90pAnbB5g

We have picked a fight with the most powerful economic and political forces on the planet. That’s frightening. And as this movement grows from strength to strength, it will get more frightening. Always be aware that there will be a temptation to shift to smaller targets—like, say, the person sitting next to you at this meeting. After all, that is a battle that’s easier to win.

Don’t give in to the temptation. I’m not saying don’t call each other on shit. But this time, let’s treat each other as if we plan to work side by side in struggle for many, many years to come. Because the task before will demand nothing less.

they are diverse and they are committed. One lesson every ruler throughout history learns... Happy citizens are employed citizens, and people who are unhappy with alot of time on their hands are dangerous to power.

 

[Dolmance]

Symbols mean a lot.

For example the bow-tie and heavy dark rimmed glasses you are wearing in the image (I'm assuming that is you) gives the impression that you are smart, intelligent, a little out of the ordinary smart that says ... I don't give a crap how uncool I look, I have brains.

.... if you toothless and wearing bib overalls with a dirty white T-shirt that would tell us something different.

Symbols mean a lot.

Except when certain individuals and certain groups start seeing them everywhere, and reading into them gestures of ideological affiliation based on nbeurotic tribal paranoia (RE: U.S. Right Wing culture, "commies," "Reds Under the Bed," "McCarthyism," "Liberals," "Gay Agenda," "Atheists," etc). Then symbols become so diffuse and diluted they mean absolutely nothing, save to serve as indicators of the observer's aforementioned tribal paranoia.

 

[White Eagle]

Originally Posted by BostonPirate
this is a great speech, but here are the last two sentences of it. I hope everyone follows the link and people read the whole thing.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/201...0#.To90pAnbB5g

Quote:
We have picked a fight with the most powerful economic and political forces on the planet. That’s frightening. And as this movement grows from strength to strength, it will get more frightening. Always be aware that there will be a temptation to shift to smaller targets—like, say, the person sitting next to you at this meeting. After all, that is a battle that’s easier to win.

Don’t give in to the temptation. I’m not saying don’t call each other on shit. But this time, let’s treat each other as if we plan to work side by side in struggle for many, many years to come. Because the task before will demand nothing less.
they are diverse and they are committed. One lesson every ruler throughout history learns... Happy citizens are employed citizens, and people who are unhappy with alot of time on their hands are dangerous to power.

Thanks for this link. I believe it explains what everyone wants to know. I know I like it.
Oh yeah, I hit Keith Richards again, thanks for waking me up.

 

[BostonPirate]

most people never click on the Pirates flag in my signature area. Its always an eye opening experience....lol

for some reason the link would not work heres a new one...

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/07-0

They must have archived the article or changed its link.... dunno.

 

[bike10]

This would be usual propaganda from the Tea Bagging/GOP and there right wing media mouths. When was the Tea Party they true red, white and blue Americans.

 

[Kulindahr]

I see the raised clinched fist very often -- even on their web site -- a symbol of communism, recognized the world over -- that concerns me.

You mean we have a communist military group in New Mexico?

There are unions who use it. There are neo-Nazi groups who award it as a tattoo after achieving some assigned task (like setting fire to a black family's house).

Go back to old news clips, and you'll see it used on banners by workers in Poland -- right next to the word "Solidarity".


I could go on, but those suffice.

 

[Kulindahr]

There are corporate images all around in that group.

The paper for the posters, the sharpie's used to write on the posters, cell phones, computers, clothes they are wearing, shoes, belts, hair dye, hair gel, the food they are eating ... all that came from corporate America.

By that "reasoning", you're nothing but a pile of dirt, because everything you eat came from the dirt.

 

[justapixel]

I see the raised clinched fist very often -- even on their web site -- a symbol of communism, recognized the world over -- that concerns me.

Then, Obama will not support 'Occupy Wall Street'.

We remember his inaugural speech when he famously said:

know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.

 

[BostonPirate]

Except when certain individuals and certain groups start seeing them everywhere, and reading into them gestures of ideological affiliation based on nbeurotic tribal paranoia (RE: U.S. Right Wing culture, "commies," "Reds Under the Bed," "McCarthyism," "Liberals," "Gay Agenda," "Atheists," etc). Then symbols become so diffuse and diluted they mean absolutely nothing, save to serve as indicators of the observer's aforementioned tribal paranoia.

like the gay teletubby that is brainwashing young children? Anybody remember Bush V brown?

That was george H bush versus Murphy Brown the tv show. They said she ought not to be on the air because she was pregnant and unmarried. That was just as far back as 1988.

yeah

Gotta love that stuff

 

[Kulindahr]

Boston got this right: there are Ron Paul people in these marches -- footage of different marches shows some.

Bob has this right: Cantor and company are the ones who have been setting America against America.

Citiboy is accurate on seeing parallels with the French Revolution.


Many of those who have emerged as leaders seem to have learned quite a bit from Ghandi and MLK. And they have people from the 60s telling how it was done back then.

This is going to keep growing.

 

[White Eagle]

Originally Posted by Kulindahr
I see the raised clinched fist very often -- even on their web site -- a symbol of communism, recognized the world over -- that concerns me.
You mean we have a communist military group in New Mexico?

There are unions who use it. There are neo-Nazi groups who award it as a tattoo after achieving some assigned task (like setting fire to a black family's house).

Go back to old news clips, and you'll see it used on banners by workers in Poland -- right next to the word "Solidarity".


I could go on, but those suffice.

 

[JB3]

The first one has corporate sponsorship and a congressional caucus, and the new one does not.

to cantor?

They are just in his way, I think.

Poppycock. The OWS protestors are being funded by the Unions now, and they are certainly represented by the democratic caucus. They are no more grassroots than the Tea party freaks.

 

[BostonPirate]

Poppycock. The OWS protestors are being funded by the Unions now, and they are certainly represented by the democratic caucus. They are no more grassroots than the Tea party freaks.

I know a few unions have shown up, but its ludicrous to say that these people are being funded by the them OR that they are represented by any party when they simply say over and over again otherwise.

Is there any proof of that other than Rush and Hannity paranoia?

any links to evidence or proof?

or is this just another one of your little gut feelings you like to pretend are facts?

 

[Kulindahr]

Poppycock. The OWS protestors are being funded by the Unions now, and they are certainly represented by the democratic caucus. They are no more grassroots than the Tea party freaks.

Cite?

This thread is full enough of assertions without basis.

 

[JB3]

Cite?

This thread is full enough of assertions without basis.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-labor-unions

 

[Kulindahr]

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-labor-unions

Fail.

Union leaders are talking "helping", "encouraging", "collaborating", "joining forces" -- there's nothing in that article to say they're funding it. And the article makes plain that the unions are sort of playing "catch up" with something already happening.

Will someone decide to fund it, as the Koch brothers did with the Tea Party movement? Possibly (though I don't see Soros doing it; he's too much a believer in plutocracy). Will others try to manipulate this and flood it with aliens, as happened with the Tea Party? Perhaps. But I think this is too much a group of people accustomed to thinking for themselves and not following blindly the pronouncements of others.

 

[T-Rexx]

I see the raised clinched fist very often -- even on their web site -- a symbol of communism, recognized the world over -- that concerns me.

Symbols mean a lot.

Republicans on this board worry about non-threatening symbols and disingenuous claims of graffiti and public urination.

Democrats worry about liberty, equality, democracy, and prosperity.

What is wrong with us progressives, that we do not fear a drawing of a clenched fist, or that we do not worry that some people in public spaces will somehow fail to use public sanitary facilities?

Why do we worry so much about freedom, when there is letterhead all around us?

Why do we demand fairness, when Porta Potties is what Americans needs so desperately?

Where did we go wrong in our priorities for America?

Overall the Tea Party was very neat, clean, and appears pro-American. I'm not sure I see that with this group. But time will tell, I guess.

Fascists have classically been extremely neat, clean, organized, and patriotic.

That does not mean their ideology is superior or preferable.

But, if it makes you Republicans feel better, the protesters, in fact, seem rather neat, clean, organized, and patriotic: http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ocracy-really-looks-like/2011/10/07/gIQA2O9dT

 

[JB3]

Fail.

Union leaders are talking "helping", "encouraging", "collaborating", "joining forces" -- there's nothing in that article to say they're funding it. And the article makes plain that the unions are sort of playing "catch up" with something already happening.

Will someone decide to fund it, as the Koch brothers did with the Tea Party movement? Possibly (though I don't see Soros doing it; he's too much a believer in plutocracy). Will others try to manipulate this and flood it with aliens, as happened with the Tea Party? Perhaps. But I think this is too much a group of people accustomed to thinking for themselves and not following blindly the pronouncements of others.

Did you even read it?

Now, Big Labor is going to work: endorsing the protests, offering manpower and resources, and helping stage a major march in New York City's financial district on Wednesday. They are adding organizing muscle, fresh energy, and greater numbers to the boisterous demonstrations that began in downtown Manhattan more than two weeks ago.

It has gone beyond just rhetoric. The unions are sending food, busing members down to the protests, and even educating and strategizing with various participants of Occupy Wall Street. This afternoon, big labor will make its biggest public display of support yet with a march from New York City Hall to Zuccotti Park.

 

[Just_Believe18]

^ He did read it, and the excerpts you mentioned in your subsequent post do not mention funding. The unions are donating food and offering services, but they are not creating bank accounts and depositing cash for a movement that doesn't even have a unified leadership yet.

Even if the unions offer more support in the future, so what? Aren't some of the same goals in alignment with the protest movement? You mention unions as if it's an ugly word. I'm not sure why "corporation" gets the same pass. Unions aren't perfect, but they are made up of and do serve the workers they are organized under.

For example, people complain about teacher unions, but forget that teacher unions are completely made up of... well, teachers.

The problem with the Tea Party is it was a fiscally conservative movement that was hijacked by corporate interests. It has sense faded into a sub-culture of the Republican party and lacks any real purpose or sensibility.

Hopefully the 99% protest movement (which you are a part of that 99%) will mature into a clearer and more effective purpose.

 

[evanrick]

There are corporate images all around in that group.

The paper for the posters, the sharpie's used to write on the posters, cell phones, computers, clothes they are wearing, shoes, belts, hair dye, hair gel, the food they are eating ... all that came from corporate America.

No it came from China, these companies dont have loyalty to America, they just want to sell their products, and use our democracy to advantage themselves and are willing to push aside anyone or anything in their way, including the American people.