Cantor: Wall street Mob a vast left wing conspiracy

[BostonPirate]

No kidding. If there's enough snow, they could be better off -- five igloos on six sides of a hexagon, an arch where the sixth would be, dome over the middle, you've got excellent protection from any weather. Someone who knows what he's doing can rig a kerosene heater with a chimney, and things are quite cozy.

The kids up here play in the snow banks by burrowing out caves in the large drifts and playing inside them.

Tex?

You're a charmer champ. You remind me of a few townies that hang out at the packie. I bet you could even keep up with me shooting tequilla.

the went down comment meant, that he went down in person to talk to the organizers to express support and direction at the rally on the state capital. I have not elected to do that.

My support will be simply to go to the rallies during the week when others cannot and be part of the crowd.

and JB is a cutie... I try not to think about it when I am answering him, or I get nice.

who likes a nice pirate

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

Good thing you nor anyone else gets to legislate what symbol of personal freedom and expression people get to use, isn't it Jack?

Bingo! from Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

this is #1


[SIZE=+1]1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.[/SIZE]

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

Cantor is an ass, I'll agree with you on that.

However, I don't the US Flag in the group -- maybe one once in a while.

I see the raised clinched fist very often -- even on their web site -- a symbol of communism, recognized the world over -- that concerns me.

I see that much of the financial support comes from unions -- you see that on their web site.

I see people like Van Jones (rich communist, ex Obama czar), Michael Moore (rich, fat bastard) who publicly support them

I see Obama publicly support them in his press conference yesterday -- as yet we don't know what this group wants. Seems very weird for a US President to associate himself with a group that he knows nothing about.

Overall the Tea Party was very neat, clean, and appears pro-American. I'm not sure I see that with this group. But time will tell, I guess.

I have to say one more thing -- where are the jobs. Obama's jobs bill cannot even get a vote in the Senate. Reid won't bring it up for a vote. Obama's own party won't support it.

Pitting American vs. American to cover their combined political asses doesn't work with me.

the teabaggers are neat and clean and the crusty greasy middle western retired breed that bogs down my shit hole state with their view "I got mine and fuck you"

 

[JB3]

viagra over jobs.. what is that a scott walker quote or are you giving a nod to Bobdole.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/100108249.html

Politics is not a bumper sticker. You are trying to say something odd, and as a money man I can smell it a mile off.

You are saying that people are to blame for losing their jobs because they want to be healthy, and have a quality of life that they have grown to expect as americans.

Being healthy does not require viagra. Viagra is classed as a recreational drug and is not necessary for health. I can't believe that you are honestly defending a group choosing viagra over being able to employee more people.

Either accept that you are now officially and permanently a second class citizen or you are selfish...

so whats it going to be? the pills or the rent? is that the best argument available now?

Things don't work that way.

They do, as a matter of fact. The pills are not necessary to live and they're not necessary for quality of life. If people want them, they should have to pay for them on their own.

Try telling the teachers that were fired because their colleagues chose viagra over jobs what you just tried to tell me...

 

[opinterph]

… teacher's unions… work AGAINST the best interests of the teachers. Like choosing viagra over the jobs of a hundred teachers.

I don’t understand the basis for this statement.

 

[JB3]

I don’t understand the basis for this statement.

Like choosing viagra over the jobs of fellow teachers. Or choosing to go on strike over a 3% raise instead of the 5% they wanted. Or demanding a pay increase due to a change in schedule from a block to a period, even though less teaching would be occurring.

 

[T-Rexx]

Being healthy does not require viagra. Viagra is classed as a recreational drug and is not necessary for health. I can't believe that you are honestly defending a group choosing viagra over being able to employee more people...

...The pills are not necessary to live and they're not necessary for quality of life. If people want them, they should have to pay for them on their own.

Viagra is most emphatically NOT a "recreational drug."

Viagra is a prescription drug used to treat the disease of erectile dysfunction. Normal erectile function is one part of normal health for males. Viagra can be an important treatment for some men who are having trouble with this aspect of their health.

To regard Viagra as some sort of silly vanity is absurd.

 

[JayHawk]

Viagra is a silly vanity used primarily by men who have surpassed the age where they should be having sex as determined by nature.

Are you telling me getting hard is the only way you can live a happy life?

 

[CFoTsD]

Are you telling me getting hard is the only way you can live a happy life?

Yes, unless one is a bottom

 

[JayHawk]

LOL. I disagree. If in your life the one purpose is sex or that is the only way you can be happy in day to day life then you need a psychologist not a pill.

 

[TickTockMan]

Viagra is most emphatically NOT a "recreational drug."

Viagra is a prescription drug used to treat the disease of erectile dysfunction. Normal erectile function is one part of normal health for males. Viagra can be an important treatment for some men who are having trouble with this aspect of their health.

To regard Viagra as some sort of silly vanity is absurd.

More so what else is it used for? There are other uses for it.

 

[T-Rexx]

Viagra is a silly vanity used primarily by men who have surpassed the age where they should be having sex as determined by nature.

At what age has nature determined men should not be having sex?

Are you telling me getting hard is the only way you can live a happy life?

You seem to be suggesting that it is wrong to enjoy sex. And also that if you enjoy sex, there is no possibility of anything else in your life ever making you happy.

Seriously?

LOL. I disagree. If in your life the one purpose is sex or that is the only way you can be happy in day to day life then you need a psychologist not a pill.

Why do you think that using Viagra causes one to have no other purpose in life but sex?

If you take insulin, does that mean that you have no other purpose in life but eating?

 

[T-Rexx]

More so what else is it used for? There are other uses for it.

Because it is a vasodilator, drugs like Viagra are used in the treatment of pulmonary arterial hypertension.

There are reports that it can improve circulation in the legs of some people suffering from blood flow problems in the legs, but the drug is not (yet) officially approved for such use.

 

[T-Rexx]

And finally, the point of all this...

Like choosing viagra over the jobs of fellow teachers.

Viagra is a drug, used to treat disease.

Saying "choosing Viagra over the jobs of fellow teachers" is like saying "choosing insulin over the jobs of fellow teachers."

Denying people treatment of disease on the grounds that it is too expensive is not morally justifiable in a nation as wealthy as the USA. Claiming that some must suffer so that others may be employed is a lie, when we know that the resources to do both are, in fact, readily available within this country.

The problem is that those resources are almost exclusively tied up by the wealthy, where they are being put to no good use, and where their absence of use is resulting in considerable national suffering. Moreover, this problem is not some accident of blind, beneficent capitalism. It is the result of 30 years of deliberate economic policy, specifically structured to move wealth from the middle class to the wealthy. It is anti-capitalist, it is unfair, and it is deeply injurious to the nation.

This is NOT the America we want, and our leaders are NOT working to address our concerns on this and other related issues.

That is what "Occupy Wall Street" is about.

A lot of you guys don't seem to get it.

 

[Kulindahr]

Viagra is a silly vanity used primarily by men who have surpassed the age where they should be having sex as determined by nature.

Are you telling me getting hard is the only way you can live a happy life?

So because some people use it due to old age (seems teachers wouldn't be in that category!), those who need it for other reasons shouldn't be covered?

I know three people with prescriptions for Viagra. Their ages are early thirties, mid-forties, and right about fifty. Do they fit your "old age" model?


I don't get where the idea comes from that it's okay to punish a few for the actions or status of the many.

 

[JB3]

Viagra is most emphatically NOT a "recreational drug."

Viagra is a prescription drug used to treat the disease of erectile dysfunction. Normal erectile function is one part of normal health for males. Viagra can be an important treatment for some men who are having trouble with this aspect of their health.

To regard Viagra as some sort of silly vanity is absurd.

Viagra is classed as a recreational prescription drug (not a 'recreational drug' in the sense you were attempting to cast it as) by insurance and government alike, and is not necessary for healthy functioning.

The fact that you defend teachers choosing viagra over the district having enough money to employ a dozen or more teachers is disgusting.

 

[JB3]

So because some people use it due to old age (seems teachers wouldn't be in that category!), those who need it for other reasons shouldn't be covered?

I know three people with prescriptions for Viagra. Their ages are early thirties, mid-forties, and right about fifty. Do they fit your "old age" model?


I don't get where the idea comes from that it's okay to punish a few for the actions or status of the many.

If they want it, make them pay for it. The district had over 1,000 teachers that were getting it, which is ridiculous.

 

[JB3]

And finally, the point of all this...



Viagra is a drug, used to treat disease.

Saying "choosing Viagra over the jobs of fellow teachers" is like saying "choosing insulin over the jobs of fellow teachers."

Denying people treatment of disease on the grounds that it is too expensive is not morally justifiable in a nation as wealthy as the USA. Claiming that some must suffer so that others may be employed is a lie, when we know that the resources to do both are, in fact, readily available within this country.

Except they're NOT and that's the point. When it comes down to a district choosing whether to fire a dozen teachers or keeping viagra in the prescription plan, any rational and thinking person would choose the employment of those teachers.

Oh, and erectile dysfunction is most certainly not a disease.

The problem is that those resources are almost exclusively tied up by the wealthy, where they are being put to no good use, and where their absence of use is resulting in considerable national suffering. Moreover, this problem is not some accident of blind, beneficent capitalism. It is the result of 30 years of deliberate economic policy, specifically structured to move wealth from the middle class to the wealthy. It is anti-capitalist, it is unfair, and it is deeply injurious to the nation.

Do you even understand how education funding is raised? That ^ nonsense proves you don't.

This is NOT the America we want, and our leaders are NOT working to address our concerns on this and other related issues.

That is what "Occupy Wall Street" is about.

A lot of you guys don't seem to get it.

I would prefer an america where people would choose to pay more out of pocket for a drug that is not a medical necessity if it meant that their employer could hire more people. It is emblematic of the selfishness of Americans that these teachers would actively attempt to choose the drug over their colleagues.

 

[Kulindahr]

If they want it, make them pay for it. The district had over 1,000 teachers that were getting it, which is ridiculous.

Our local district doesn't even have 1,000 teachers....

How many total teachers?

 

[Kulindahr]

Do you even understand how education funding is raised? That ^ nonsense proves you don't.

Since the method of financing is not universally the same, you're not necessarily correct.

Here the base method is property taxes. Some people screamed a few years back when the county commissioners approved variances for building permits, but the resulting construction resulted in roughly three-fifths of a million more dollars in the school fund. That's been covering deferred maintenance rather than adding teachers, and it will continue to do so until it adds facilities for new teachers.

Crazily, the increase will actually cut the state grants to districts....

Then there's the state timber fund, the state lottery....

I would prefer an america where people would choose to pay more out of pocket for a drug that is not a medical necessity if it meant that their employer could hire more people. It is emblematic of the selfishness of Americans that these teachers would actively attempt to choose the drug over their colleagues.