Chelsea Clinton sort of being pimped out

[chance1]

If I call out someone for what he says, I do it because I decide for my reasons it's the right thing to do, and I do it my way and in my time.

oh ok

so lemme ask u something

if a politician says something really heinous, then ur fav politician - lets say hillary - she should call that person behind the scenes and tell them they did something wrong

she should not be on record

hmmmm

doesn't ring right

 

[NickCole]

oh ok

so lemme ask u something

if a politician says something really heinous, then ur fav politician - lets say hillary - she should call that person behind the scenes and tell them they did something wrong

she should not be on record

hmmmm

doesn't ring right

In some instances, yes, I think a private conversation is much better. If a friend of mine did something I thought was really wrong in a group setting, I'd first pull him aside and talk to him about it in private.

But in this case, I told you, I called out Alfie on his sexist wordplay right here on this public forum. More than once. He never responded publicly or privately.

 

[chance1]

In some instances, yes, I think a private conversation is much better.

But in this case, I told you, I called out Alfie on his sexist wordplay right here on this public forum. More than once. He never responded publicly or privately.

i didn't get that from ur last post

now i do

i was confused u see - just like with the delegate thingy

 

[sunoftheskye]

It was a derogatory remark about the Clintons and her campaign.

And, as Media Matters has catalogued, the sexist subtext denigrating Mrs. Clinton's candidacy has been happening for weeks now. If members of the media had been making racist remarks in the exact same vein, there'd be an uproar. But this gets passed by with shrugs even though it has a similarly corrosive effect on her campaign.

Ask yourself this first, before you dismiss what I'm saying: if what I'm saying is true -just IF it is- would that bother you or do you think racist/sexist/homophobic degradation is okay?

That's a loaded question because I don't think his comment had anything to do with gender.

 

[syntax]

Chelsea is a nice girl from a good family..

Chelsea is a nice "girl"? She is in her twenties - Isn't she a woman?

A good family? Her father has fucked/has had sexual relations with more women than anyone can imagine and her mother stood by her man.

I'm sick of the Clintons and their family values. No more Clintons and no more Bushes in the White House.

 

[sunoftheskye]

lol he wasn't suggesting she was a whore.

 

[NickCole]

lol he wasn't suggesting she was a whore.

That was exactly what he was suggesting.

What do you think "pimped out" means???

He was saying Chelsea is whoring herself for her mother, who's acting as her pimp.

 

[sunoftheskye]

That was exactly what he was suggesting.

What do you think "pimped out" means???

He was saying Chelsea is whoring herself for her mother, who's acting as her pimp.

I honestly don't understand how anyone who reads that quote in its context can think he was suggesting she was ACTUALLY a whore. Clearly it was a metaphor.

 

[NickCole]

I honestly don't understand how anyone who reads that quote in its context can think he was suggesting she was ACTUALLY a whore. Clearly it was a metaphor.

If by "ACTUALLY" you mean sexually, of course nobody thinks he meant that Hillary Clinton was pimping out Chelsea to have sex with people in exchange for favors.

Do you think if he said exactly the same thing about Michelle Obama, that Obama and his campaign had been pimping her out, that whether or not he meant it "actually," would make a difference?

The point is degradation. And it would not be tolerated if it'd been targeted at the Obamas -- as it shouldn't be.

 

[Kurn]

Good grief.
Bottom line: The guy lacks the intelligence to perform the news on national TV.
He'd get thrown off any local TV so fast, he'd probably have to sell used cars for a living.
People who talk like that are just retarded. Pathetic.

 

[NickCole]

Good grief.
Bottom line: The guy lacks the intelligence to perform the news on national TV.
He'd get thrown off any local TV so fast, he'd probably have to sell used cars for a living.
People who talk like that are just retarded. Pathetic.

The point is, it's not only David Schuster. This is not an isolated incident.

Only one network has, within the space of one year, a firing (Imus), an on-air apology (Chris Matthews) and a suspension (Shuster) -- because of over-the-top sexist, and in Imus' case racist as well, comments. This doesn't make you stop a minute and think there may be a broader problem?

And as Media Matters and others have documented, these instances are only the ones that resulted in apologies and more. There have been a ton of other similar instances of degrading sexist remarks from these guys -- disproportionately directed at Hillary Clinton, but by no means exclusively.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200802080011?f=h_top

http://mediamatters.org/items/200801110014

 

[PabloZed]

When John McCain said Chelsea was so ugly because Janet Reno and Hillary were her parents, that was inappropriate because she was a child. But she is an adult now and has entered the political arena. Huckabee's kids were plastered across Drudge, targeted because of their obesity so it seems adult children are fair game. There is a rumor going around (perhaps only on the internet but who knows) that some students are planning to "pie" Chelsea.

While inartful I think Shuster's point is relevant. The Clinton's are having their daughter make phone calls that they won't make themselves. Its akin to parents sending their children out to beg because they engender more sympathy.

 

[chance1]

While that type of language may be approved of in rap circles, it has no place on the news..

It is even more offensive when it is used to slur the daughter of a democratic president..

It might have been best for him to remember he wasn't on "Yo, MTV raps"..

but its ok to slur the president of the united states?

on a nightly basis?

can't have it both ways

even though u want to

 

[snapcat]

Here's one thing that I don't think many people have taken into account. OK, two things.

1) This is probably the most attention Tucker Carlson's show on MSNBC has ever gotten, and he was absent from the broadcast.

2) These "talking heads" are doing practically non-stop political coverage. It's conceivable, even probable, that they will put their foot in their mouth at some point. And Shuster did put his foot in his mouth.

The various newschannels are outperforming many of the broadcast networks. The recent Saturday night debate was one of the most watched programs of the week. Naturally, the newschannels are going to continue with wall to wall coverage, if for nothing else to boost ratings.

Anyone could read the full comment from Shuster if they wanted to. By reading it in context there is no way anyone could jump to the conclusion that he called her a whore.

Like it or not, Chelsea is a grown 27 year old woman working in a political campaign. The fact that she refuses to talk to the media, even while phoning the super delegates, is news.

Of course she doesn't have to talk to the media. But neither did Karl Rove either,. and he was excoriated for shying away from reporter's questions.

This is just the Clinton Machine attempting once again to manipulate the situation to their benefit. The fact that Hillary would debate on Fox News but not on MSNBC is laughable.

David Shuster owes Chelsea an apology. He apologized. End of story.

But it benefits Hillary to have the national conversation focus on this, rather than her stunning defeat in all four states that voted on Saturday.

 

[sunoftheskye]

What's the difference? Jeez. He's clearly suggesting she's being sold out for personal gain. I don't understand how you can't see it as anything other than a disparaging personal attack on those involved. That sort of commentary has absolutely no place in responsible, professional journalism and shouldn't be tolerated by any standards.

You don't think there's a difference between suggesting someone's being sold for sex and suggesting they're being used to help someone's campaign?

I disagree with what he said, in the sense that Chelsea is a grown woman and more than capable of making her own decisions as to what she wants to do. And clearly she'd have a vested interest in wanting to see her own mother in the white house. But I'm just not seeing the cause for outrage that everyone else is--in terms of the actual choice of words. Sorry, I'm just not.

 

[sunoftheskye]

When John McCain said Chelsea was so ugly because Janet Reno and Hillary were her parents, that was inappropriate because she was a child. But she is an adult now and has entered the political arena. Huckabee's kids were plastered across Drudge, targeted because of their obesity so it seems adult children are fair game. There is a rumor going around (perhaps only on the internet but who knows) that some students are planning to "pie" Chelsea.

While inartful I think Shuster's point is relevant. The Clinton's are having their daughter make phone calls that they won't make themselves. Its akin to parents sending their children out to beg because they engender more sympathy.

Ew, that is disgusting.

 

[sunoftheskye]

If by "ACTUALLY" you mean sexually, of course nobody thinks he meant that Hillary Clinton was pimping out Chelsea to have sex with people in exchange for favors.

Then I don't see what the problem is.

Do you think if he said exactly the same thing about Michelle Obama, that Obama and his campaign had been pimping her out, that whether or not he meant it "actually," would make a difference?

To me? No it wouldn't make a difference.

The point is degradation. And it would not be tolerated if it'd been targeted at the Obamas -- as it shouldn't be.

Except it wasn't degradation.

 

[NickCole]

Except it wasn't degradation.

Well maybe in your world it's not.

But in general calling a woman a whore is derogatory.

And suggesting a mother is pimping out her daughter is degrading.

 

[sunoftheskye]

Well maybe in your world it's not.

But in general calling a woman a whore is derogatory.

And suggesting a mother is pimping out her daughter is degrading.

But he didn't call her a whore, so that's thrown out. And no, I don't consider saying someone's pimping someone out politically is degrading.

 

[snapcat]

Indeed, the Hillary supporters are well versed with their Karl Rove Handbook.
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