On-Topic Chris Hayes: I'm 'Uncomfortable' Calling Fallen Military 'Heroes'

[Centexfarmer]

Bulgaria. Why are you even discussing this?

Bulgaria, from the gay term "bulge."

"aria" from an area between some really hot thick thighs.

Why would we not be discussing Bulgaria at this juncture in this thread?

Hello!

 

[JayHawk]

I basically agree with this. I don't totally think that it's quite that simple, but it can be a reason for people to go into the military, especially those who don't realize the seriousness of being in the armed forces.

I think that what people choose to serve for is often the reason to walk through the door. BUT the attitudes and passion of those around you makes ya stay or leave because you cant bear to do it anymore. A man may join the military to go to college later but in the heat of battle he or she finds that service to one another and their nation is so much more a gravitational force. Are all of them heroes? No. But every last one of them is the best among us for putting unit and country before self. It may not have been why they joined but what they do after they join is the key point.

I disagree with you Centex I don't think he was put on the spot at all. I think he chose this response before arriving on the scene KNOWING he was on a Q&A show on Memorial Day. He may have had different thoughts for what he said and may clarify later. Yet it was attention getting and repugnant to use such a national holiday to further ones self.

I also broke my own rule by posting again but I feel it needed to be said. The service you continue to do or are tasked to do while in is not comparable to the reason you initially joined.

 

[JayHawk]

Oh and on a side note I will have a heaping side of man ass with my post.... thank you and have a blessed day.

Chance bring your ass to KC this summer.

 

[Rolyo85]

Bulgaria. Why are you even discussing this?

Why wouldn't I? Are US soldiers magically different from any other soldiers?

Bulgaria, from the gay term "bulge."

"aria" from an area between some really hot thick thighs.

Why would we not be discussing Bulgaria at this juncture in this thread?

Hello!

Haha, that made me giggle. In a very masculine, hot thick thighs-implying way of course.







...hmm, can one even giggle in a very masculine, hot thick thighs-implying way?

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Bulgaria. Why are you even discussing this?

Why wouldn't I? Are US soldiers magically different from any other soldiers?

Bulgaria, from the gay term "bulge."

"aria" from an area between some really hot thick thighs.

Why would we not be discussing Bulgaria at this juncture in this thread?

Hello!

Haha, that made me giggle. In a very masculine, hot thick thighs-implying way of course.







...hmm, can one even giggle in a very masculine, hot thick thighs-implying way?

 

[JayHawk]

Oh and just because it was apropos from another thread...

I Believe...
That heroes are the people
who do what has to be done
when it needs to be done,
regardless of the consequences.​

 

[Centexfarmer]

I think that what people choose to serve for is often the reason to walk through the door. BUT the attitudes and passion of those around you makes ya stay or leave because you cant bear to do it anymore. A man may join the military to go to college later but in the heat of battle he or she finds that service to one another and their nation is so much more a gravitational force. Are all of them heroes? No. But every last one of them is the best among us for putting unit and country before self. It may not have been why they joined but what they do after they join is the key point.

Yessir, and what I'm bitching about are our politicians who take advantage of our "all volunteer military" who find themselves taking issue with "National Security" policy and Fox News politics back home, while the guys and girls in the trenches want nothing more than to protect their friends and members of their units so that they can get back home and spend a semester or two in their local community college, and find a job because they know that their "VA Benefits" aren't worth shit without a "declaration of war" from the U.S. Congress as opposed to a "Presidential Proclamation."

Don't you find it ironic that Bush43, and his buddy (current Texas Governor Rick Perry) avoided any stints of service in Vietnam because they served in the "National Guard" flying sorties over the Gulf of Mexico?

And as soon as both of them were in "power" both of them were in favor of sending our State National Guardsmen to "Irag" and "Afghanistan?"

Who needs a draft when you only represent 1% of the voting population, and only then if you actually vote?

I disagree with you Centex I don't think he was put on the spot at all. I think he chose this response before arriving on the scene KNOWING he was on a Q&A show on Memorial Day. He may have had different thoughts for what he said and may clarify later. Yet it was attention getting and repugnant to use such a national holiday to further ones self.

How could I, or why in the fuck would I find disagreement with that?

What I find offensive is all of the faux outrage surrounding this commentators comments.

'I think that all garbage collectors are uneducated pedophiles. Why else would they be doing that if they couldn't find a better job?'

I watched the hole interview.

The point that Chris Hayes was making was that so long as we have "heroes" (IOW people willing to put their lives on the line), the rest of us don't have to deal face to face with the consequences of our National Security Policies.

THAT'S where I felt that he was "uncomfortable" because he was a talking head actually speaking the truth.

The "right-wingers" jumped on it like a Bird on a June Bug, and used it to illustrate how much "libruls" hate America.

When in all honesty they're happy that America has an "all volunteer military."

They're always going to sing praises for individuals (like garbage collectors) who are doing the job that they don't want their children doing.

I also broke my own rule by posting again but I feel it needed to be said. The service you continue to do or are tasked to do while in is not comparable to the reason you initially joined.

True that, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back and let a bunch of asshats use my service (or anyone else's) for their own political gain when most of them won't even allow their own children to put themselves into harms way, then cut their funding for VA Benefits and care, and go on like they themselves are actually doing our country a service.

FAUX OUTRAGE.

I can think of something larger than a size 10 boot to stick up Chris Hayes' ass, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let some right winger do it.

 

[chance1]

Oh and on a side note I will have a heaping side of man ass with my post.... thank you and have a blessed day.

Chance bring your ass to KC this summer.

had drinks with a friend who will be in KC this summer - for a 3 week show

perhaps I should join him

but you in NYC sorta makes ......... MORE sense?

 

[Knucklehead]

Simply enlisting in the Army and getting sent 7,000 miles away from your home only to step on an ied doesn't make one a hero..The word is overused these days where it almost has no meaning anymore..

Every cop and fireman who died in 9-11 was not a hero.Some of them had no idea what was going on and just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.Sucks,but it doesn't make them automatic heros.

A hero is a guy who jumps on a grenade to save his buddies.Not every schmuck who happens to get in a bullet in the neck while walking to go take a shit is a hero.

 

[MystikWizard]

Newsbusters?M

Did he make the quote or not?

 

[Jack Springer]

had drinks with a friend who will be in KC this summer - for a 3 week show

perhaps I should join him

but you in NYC sorta makes ......... MORE sense?

Your friend getting working the All-Star Game? My house is big.

 

[cigarbabe]

Rolyo, I don't hate doctors -- they do good, have worked and studied hard and they get paid well for it -- good for them.

Whether you like it or not soldiers fight for the freedom of the USA everyday. If we did away with the military -- our country would not exist.

I don't think you understand patriotism. I'm sorry that you don't. There are many men and women that give up or delay a good paying career to be a member of the armed forces. They do it because they see they are repaying a country for their rights and freedoms.

Not all wars accomplish what they are set out to do. It's not the individuals soldier's fault -- they volunteered and are asked to do a job - which they do.

I was impressed that Obama made an apology today regarding the left's opposition and hatred of the men that served in Vietnam when they returned home. I hope more will be made of this -- but it will probably be overlooked by both the right and left.

I would suggest that you talk with a couple of veterans and ask them about patriotism and heroism.

Thank you so much for your post.
It upsets my husband to no end that he was spit upon when he returned from Vietnam and people called him names for doing what he thought was right. I can only think of a couple in his platoon whom I would not consider hero's for saving another brothers life and indeed Mr. Ed is plagued by "survivors guilt and PTSD" which I would give anything for him to not be afflicted with.
Of course not all service members are "heroes" but is it too much to ask for us to treat them with respect for doing a job most of us will not volunteer to do?
C.B.

 

[JayQueer]

This guy is a jerk.

It might have been a little better if he would have voiced his idiotic opinion during another time of the year -- but not much.

Hope MSNBC has the guts to discipline him -- if not, hope his advertising sponsors do.

He needs to spend some time in the military.

Chris Hayes: I'm 'Uncomfortable' Calling Fallen Military 'Heroes' | NewsBusters.org

God bless our heros and their families who suffer without them.

Chris Hayes' comments make me sick.......

And liberals wonder why so many people in the military don't like them...

 

[JayQueer]

Oh and on a side note I will have a heaping side of man ass with my post.... thank you and have a blessed day.

Chance bring your ass to KC this summer.

That's not fair..........how come you're inviting Chance to KC and not me??

I want to meet JayHawk

 

[JayQueer]

So saying he is uncomfortable makes you sick? He was voicing his opinion and he has every right to do so. But it's not fair you bunch all liberals with his viewpoint. The GOP in this country have no problem sending soldiers to fight ridiculous wars that have no end. So I wonder who veterans should dislike more...

Yes. Chris Hayes has the right to voice his opinion that he is uncomfortable calling men who have died in defense of our country "heroes." I also have the right to give my opinion of his statement.

It's just ironic that it is those men (not "heroes" by Chris Hayes' estimation) have fought for, defended, and sacrificed their lives to protect Chris Hayes' right to speak whatever he chooses.


All of you, please read this poem

IT IS THE SOLDIER

It is the Soldier, not the minister
Who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the Soldier, not the reporter
Who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the Soldier, not the poet
Who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer
Who has given us freedom to protest.

It is the Soldier, not the lawyer
Who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the Soldier, not the politician
Who has given us the right to vote.

It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the flag.

 

[chance1]

I have a major problem when young men are sent to fight in wars that are not in defense of anything except a politician's personal ambition.

And you misdirect your anger towards the soldiers ?

Whether its WW II or Vietnam the soldiers deserve our support 100%

Chris Hayes's comment was about "fallen soldiers" - those who died

Somehow he CHOSE to make an issue of this

He CHOSE

On Memorial Day weekend

He wasn't on a panel being asked this by another

Fuck him and his "uncomfortable-ness"

I'm uncomfortable with his being allowed to host another program

 

[Benvolio]

I have a major problem when young men are sent to fight in wars that are not in defense of anything except a politician's personal ambition.

Most Americans believe the we are fighting in Afghanistan in defense of our country.

 

[Knucklehead]

Most Americans believe the we are fighting in Afghanistan in defense of our country.

Really?

Take your pick..

AFGHANISTAN SUPPORT POLLS - Yahoo! Search Results

 

[chrisrobin]

Very few surviving vets are eager to regard themselves as heroes. Fighting for their country is seldom regarded as heroic. They are simply doing their duty on behalf of their country, and defending the guy next to them in the heat of battle. Ideology doesn't really enter the picture.

 

[chrisrobin]

Yes. Chris Hayes has the right to voice his opinion

I find it reassuring that he has your approval.

 

[chrisrobin]

Most Americans believe the we are fighting in Afghanistan in defense of our country.

You are now the spokesman for 300 million people. Don't flatter yourself.