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[Benvolio]

You are correct, but as you know, harvesting of grain crops is done with the combine, and not a scyth, or mowing machine or threshing machine, or cornpicker, or cornhusker or corn sheller. It is called combining and, yes the emplasis is on the "com" and not the "bine", both for the machine and the verb.

 

[mightbe]

I'm hypothesizing it's a regionalism. It's not used out here in Ohio where I live now--I've just consulted several friends with farming backgrounds. But the verb is common currency among those who grew up around farming in the Platte Purchase area as well as across the river.

Once upon a time I think Benvolio revealed a region/area he identified with, and I seem to recall it being Kansas.

^Yes (to Ben).

There are other means of harvesting. It depends on the crop. A combine is wholly inappropriate for some applications, where sometimes another machine will be used that does only one of the processes a combine (harvester) does. Thus, combining is a more specific verb than harvesting. It's a simply a verb formed from the noun. Nothing wrong or bizarre about that at all.

 

[TX-Beau]

Uhhhhh, a "combine" is a threshing machine, and a reaping machine, and a winnowing machine, and threshing is neither an archaic word nor process, and we got into this in the first place because of your bad spelling.

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Perhaps the misunderstanding and confusion lies in the fact that usually these things are said, not written. Written documents are usually a notch or two more formal. That doesn't mean it's the most common phrasing in some areas. You're making this into a huge issue, where really there is none. I understood perfectly well what Benvolio was saying, even though it was not as technical and formal as is sometimes expected in writing.

Again, it's said differently, even though there is no distinction on the page. The first syllable is pronounced like ".com", which easily differentiates the two, verbally at least. It would sound quite stupid to pronounce it the same as "regular" combining, and perhaps that's why some of you think it sounds uneducated. Actually, it's quite precise. I don't know how Benvolio originally used it, but it is a verb. He might've used it incorrectly, but that's not what I'm arguing.

I should probably also say that the machine itself is usually called a "harvester" around here.

 

[mightbe]

Now that is interesting--that seems to add a bit of credibility to the regional character of terminology and the associated verbs.

(sorry for steering the thread in a more linguistic direction; I couldn't be bothered to comment on the topic at hand because it's already been said)

 

[mightbe]

Okay. If anyone remains unconvinced, type "combining definition" into Google, and hit the little down arrow thing for more definitions. See definition 2.

2. Combine
/ˈkämˌbīn/
verb
gerund or present participle: combining
harvest (a crop) by means of a combine.

 

[frankfrank]

The Shakers aren't the only example of a communist society which was highly productive and innovative. A classic example was the Cistercian Order,.

Communism is a beautiful system...but the big inherent problem is trying to extend the concept BEYOND an area/locality where the participants interact with each other. As soon as any of the decisions and sharing takes place at a "remote" or offsite location, human nature takes over, and agendas start being set up. "When the cat's away, the mice will play." The whole concept of a COMMUNE is indeed closely related to communism.

Would it be accurate to say that communism is a fairly common structure in native/tribal societies? I'm not sure, as I've sometimes heard that some degree of industrialization must exist before communism can. (I'm not sure why.) I assume that having a "Chief" is compatible with maintaining a communistic model, if he/she isn't using the position to great advantage over all the other people.

I think, when the "leaders" aren't closely watched by the society, communism doesn't really provide any checks over some power-hungry egos taking everything over, to the degree of becoming dictators. Consider the old Soviet Union, which tried to impose communist rule over a region which was probably at least 10,000 times as large as the smaller area/locality where such a model is most likely to work.

 

[otters]

Okay. If anyone remains unconvinced, type "combining definition" into Google, and hit the little down arrow thing for more definitions. See definition 2.

2. Combine
/ˈkämˌbīn/
verb
gerund or present participle: combining
harvest (a crop) by means of a combine.

Perhaps I have a different Google? I cannot find the definition above.

But I find Oxford Dictionary of English:

"There are 2 main definitions of combine in English: […]
combine 2
[…]
Line breaks: com|bine
Pronunciation: /ˈkɒmbʌɪn/
verb

[WITH OBJECT] British
Harvest (a crop) by means of a combine harvester:
he combined ten acres of linseed
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
They are also more likely to rotate or combine crops and livestock, with the resulting manure performing the important function of replenishing soil fertility.
When crops are combined there is less damage from insects and more efficient use of water.
How different are the modern crops grown to be combined, for they are cut only when dead ripe."

So, you and Benvolio are Limeys, or at least you talk Limeyan/Limeyish

 

[rareboy]

And...once again.................Benvolio derails a thread because of his failure to be able to read.

One more time everyone.

I originally used 'Threshing' in the historical sense, talking about the communal approach to farming that once was common in many farming communities.

The point was to demonstrate that socialism was actually quite normal....certainly up to the mid-twentieth century, in rural communities. This was in response to Benvolio posting the same apocryphal story about the failure of one pilgrim community to rationalize why socialism is unworkable.

So, you see, it doesn't matter what the process is called today. I wasn't talking about today.

And what the fuck does this have to do with socialized medicine?

 

[otters]

And...once again.................Benvolio derails a thread because of his failure to be able to read.
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And what the fuck does this have to do with socialized medicine?

Well, we understand that Benvolio doesn't like socialised medicine.

Heck, even he knows that any policies to reduce the concentration of poverty are effective in combating violence.

But since he loves canting* and ranting* about "black and mexican criminality" very much, he would be extremely sad if there was any poor people's violence reduced in the U.S. of A.…


* cant, rant: some German dictionaries suggest "Phrasen dreschen", literally: "threshing phrases"

 

[Benvolio]

Well, we understand that Benvolio doesn't like socialised medicine.

Heck, even he knows that any policies to reduce the concentration of poverty are effective in combating violence.

But since he loves canting* and ranting* about "black and mexican criminality" very much, he would be extremely sad if there was any poor people's violence reduced in the U.S. of A.…


* cant, rant: some German dictionaries suggest "Phrasen dreschen", literally: "threshing phrases"

Nonsense. Welfare reduces poverty, but, by destroying the work ethic, children from welfare families are more likely to turn to crime. That is the best explanation for the high crime rate among American blacks. And, no, more welfare and social programs are not effective in reducing crime. On the other hand making jobs more easily available for blacks, especially young blacks, would, over time reduce crime. Alas the dems prefer those jobs go to immigrants.

 

[rareboy]

Well, we understand that Benvolio doesn't like socialised medicine.

Heck, even he knows that any policies to reduce the concentration of poverty are effective in combating violence.

But since he loves canting* and ranting* about "black and mexican criminality" very much, he would be extremely sad if there was any poor people's violence reduced in the U.S. of A.…


* cant, rant: some German dictionaries suggest "Phrasen dreschen", literally: "threshing phrases"

I see what you did there.

Of course, Benvolio apparently still has no clue about the benefits to all, including the most rapacious and voracious capitalists... of socialized medicine.

 

[otters]

Well, we understand that Benvolio doesn't like socialised medicine.

Heck, even he knows that any policies to reduce the concentration of poverty are effective in combating violence.

But since he loves canting* and ranting* about "black and mexican criminality" very much, he would be extremely sad if there was any poor people's violence reduced in the U.S. of A.…


* cant, rant: some German dictionaries suggest "Phrasen dreschen", literally: "threshing phrases"

Nonsense. Welfare reduces poverty, but, by destroying the work ethic, children from welfare families are more likely to turn to crime. That is the best explanation for the high crime rate among American blacks. And, no, more welfare and social programs are not effective in reducing crime. On the other hand making jobs more easily available for blacks, especially young blacks, would, over time reduce crime. Alas the dems prefer those jobs go to immigrants.

I said: "policies to reduce the concentration of poverty are effective in combating violence."

I wasn't talking about "more welfare", was I?

I was talking about an entire consistent package of measures, including better education, primarily: better elementary schools.

But: Alas, the US Americans botch their schools more and more, even and particularly the Red States have abandoned cursive writing in elementary schools, haven't they?

 

[Benvolio]

I said: "policies to reduce the concentration of poverty are effective in combating violence."

I wasn't talking about "more welfare", was I?

I was talking about an entire consistent package of measures, including better education, primarily: better elementary schools.

But: Alas, the US Americans botch their schools more and more, even and particularly the Red States have abandoned cursive writing in elementary schools, haven't they?

When liberals speak of reducing poverty they mean more welfare and social programs. We spend more on education now than other countries, but the liberals and teachers union dominate and they concentrate on political correctness, environment, slavery, white meanness. Then the students have to compete with immigrants for low pay jobs.
There is a limit to the employment beneft from education. Remember about half of whites are average or below in intelligence.

 

[Willie Boy]

You are correct, but as you know, harvesting of grain crops is done with the combine, and not a scyth, or mowing machine or threshing machine, or cornpicker, or cornhusker or corn sheller. It is called combining and, yes the emplasis is on the "com" and not the "bine", both for the machine and the verb.

Nope. Still called harvesting. And a threshing machine is still used in the process, even if it is part of the larger "Combine" harvester machine..... Its one of the parts that is combined into the machine, hence the name combine for the overall machine. Haven't you learned that yet?

 

[T-Rexx]

I guess we need to split this thread off (again) for a separate discussion of harvesting machinery.

 

[Benvolio]

I hope we are done with that.

 

[otters]

When liberals speak of reducing poverty they mean more welfare and social programs. We spend more on education now than other countries, but the liberals and teachers union dominate and they concentrate on political correctness, environment, slavery, white meanness. Then the students have to compete with immigrants for low pay jobs.
There is a limit to the employment beneft from education. Remember about half of whites are average or below in intelligence.

What? "We spend more on education now than other countries." — What a humbug.

Thanks to Republicon legislation, the USA are — as so often — the very bottom of the Western World's league …

 

[Benvolio]

What? "We spend more on education now than other countries." — What a humbug.

Thanks to Republicon legislation, the USA are — as so often — the very bottom of the Western World's league …

Hogwash. The US spends more.http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/
We just have bad teachers who have dumbed down the curriculum and spend excessive time on political correctness and stuff that does not educate the kids. It is a college, but here is one devoting an entire month to "white shaming"http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/oregon-college-host-whiteness-history-month-article-1.2504545
Here are schools teaching white privilegehttp://www.wnd.com/2015/06/white-privilege-chaos-sweeps-schools-nationwide/

 

[otters]

Hogwash. The US spends more.http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/
We just have bad teachers who have dumbed down the curriculum and spend excessive time on political correctness and stuff that does not educate the kids.

Of course the PRIVATE expenditure IS probably the highest in the world, no doubt — exactly like our topic: the U.S. American private health insurance system is the world's most expensive, and the most ineffective…

And CBSnews is obviously proof how bad the education is — these guys are not able to say how meagre the PUBLIC expenditure regarding education really is, or are they just not honest enough?

 

[Benvolio]

Of course the PRIVATE expenditure IS probably the highest in the world, no doubt — exactly like our topic: the U.S. American private health insurance system is the world's most expensive, and the most ineffective…

And CBSnews is obviously proof how bad the education is — these guys are not able to say how meagre the PUBLIC expenditure regarding education really is, or are they just not honest enough?

So what? We spend more. Spending still more will not solve the problem.