Civil Unions in Hawaii

[Kulindahr]

Unsubstantiated opinion? You could say that about EVERY person who posts in here. But since i'm not a liberal lapdog you pick me out. Stop being a partisan tool.

Dear God, you ARE stuck in a Republican bipolar universe!

Maybe you should do what I've done frequently before you stick labels on someone: go read their prior posts in CE & P.


But you're good for amusement. Not too long ago a liberal here was excoriating me for being a right-wing tool.


What I pick on is people who fail to back their stuff up. Build up a record of solid reasoning and putting citations behind your words, and people will tend to take your posts seriously even without them. Build a record of not backing up your words, and people will even suspect your positions when you do provide citations.

See, you CAN'T "say that about every person who posts in here". Read through a stack of threads, and you'll see that we relay on quoted sources more often that the U.S. Senate does on facts (okay, that was hyperbole).

I'll repeat something you seem to ignore, which I don't think any "liberal lapdog" would do: you've made some good points in the forum. Your trouble is that you don't back them up (and those can be backed up, e.g. about firearms).

 

[rareboy]

An honest debate? You can't even provide facts when I ask them. If there are so many of them then POST THEM. You're nothing short of a hypocrite, sir. You can apologize whenever you're comfortable. I hope you can take responsibility for calling me a liar and making false accusations against me.

And when provided with the evidence, he just keeps barking and obfuscating and denying.

Stop being a partisan tool.

We will if you will.

The thing is, I suspect you'll still just end up being a tool.

 

[rareboy]

Originally Posted by BostonPirate
you don't get to demand other people prove your point

The problem with Laika is that he appears to be intellectually lazy. He reminds me of students I used to have who think that writing something at the top of their lungs is enough to win any argument.

I used to have this discussion with them on many occasions.

While in some schools of philosophy it may be acceptable to make the world disprove your hypothesis, in our society it marks you as the worst kind of cynical rabble rousers or intellectually bereft charlatans.

I'm just assuming that the kid just isn't the strongest student in his class, but must be well enough connected to have landed his internship.

 

[BostonPirate]

i am thinking something strange is going on with this.

He is so obviously not within the guidelines for posting and yet it just keeps going on and on and on

Perhaps he is just one of the site people stirring it up to cet more traffic. I have seen this kind of things on disreputable sites. Didn;t think it happened here...

Perhaps I am just in the wrong place.

 

[laikaNYC]

The problem with Laika is that he appears to be intellectually lazy. He reminds me of students I used to have who think that writing something at the top of their lungs is enough to win any argument.

I used to have this discussion with them on many occasions.

While in some schools of philosophy it may be acceptable to make the world disprove your hypothesis, in our society it marks you as the worst kind of cynical rabble rousers or intellectually bereft charlatans.

I'm just assuming that the kid just isn't the strongest student in his class, but must be well enough connected to have landed his internship.

More derogatory insults

 

[laikaNYC]

i am thinking something strange is going on with this.

He is so obviously not within the guidelines for posting and yet it just keeps going on and on and on

Perhaps he is just one of the site people stirring it up to cet more traffic. I have seen this kind of things on disreputable sites. Didn;t think it happened here...

Perhaps I am just in the wrong place.

Pot. Kettle. Black

 

[rareboy]

Perhaps I am just in the wrong place.

Remember that it clearly warns that this arena is not for the weak of heart.

I think that as long as he stays within the general framework of civility, he won't get called out in this forum.

I really don't think that the site owners really look to this particular echo chamber to increase hits.

And I suspect that only an actual smug little white republican boychik could actually write and believe the stuff he does. I haven't seen the kind of slip that would reveal the man behind the curtain, or in this case the hand up the puppet's ass.

So. I think you can relax.

Laika, first soviet dog in space is alive and well and alternating between masturbating while at work and bleating the conservatives' clarion call on his party's rusty trombones.

 

[bike10]

The minority vetos the will of the majority.

 

[rareboy]

Perhaps he is just one of the site people stirring it up to cet more traffic. I have seen this kind of things on disreputable sites. Didn;t think it happened here...

Actually I've finally figured it out.

Laika is a creation of the evil liberal cabal currently ruining America. He is the brainchild of one of those wacko left wing wingnuts who realized that by creating such an avatar that embodies the worst qualities of non-critical judgement and intellectual finesse that it would only serve to make the right wing look more extreme and absurd than the teabaggers.

We've been had.

 

[BostonPirate]

Actually I've finally figured it out.

Laika is a creation of the evil liberal cabal currently ruining America. He is the brainchild of one of those wacko left wing wingnuts who realized that by creating such an avatar that embodies the worst qualities of non-critical judgement and intellectual finesse that it would only serve to make the right wing look more extreme and absurd than the teabaggers.

We've been had.

well he seems to intentionally betray his ideology over and over again in favor of baiting and arguing.

it doesn't make sense that he does it and it doesn't make sense that he is allowed to do it.

we all get a bit snarky I have noticed, but total and complete combativeness on every topic in every thread with name calling that is never intervened on?

it smells funny

 

[laikaNYC]

Actually I've finally figured it out.

Laika is a creation of the evil liberal cabal currently ruining America. He is the brainchild of one of those wacko left wing wingnuts who realized that by creating such an avatar that embodies the worst qualities of non-critical judgement and intellectual finesse that it would only serve to make the right wing look more extreme and absurd than the teabaggers.

We've been had.

Let me ask you something. Do you honestly believe that you're some level-headed thinker?

 

[MercuryJones]

The minority vetos the will of the majority.

As vile as Lingle was, I can't agree on this point. She was elected by a majority for a unique role, which she exercised.

She was wrong, but that's all.

 

[BostonPirate]

As vile as Lingle was, I can't agree on this point. She was elected by a majority for a unique role, which she exercised.

She was wrong, but that's all.

she will answer at the polls, but I think this power is overused.

 

[MercuryJones]

He does have a point to the extent that a majority of Hawaiians, and all Americans (according to some polls), are in favor of Civil Unions.

While you are right in that she was exercising her constitutionally-granted authority, which is no kind of violation, he points out the glaring hypocrisy of the socially conservative right with his ironic comment.

And if polling said the majority of Hawaiians opposed civil unions would we applaud her for representing the majority?

I doubt it.

The fact is in our governance model, the majority is represented in multiple ways. And in many cases the majority would rule against us. But what representatives choose is on them, and it's to her eternal shame that she acted as she did.

 

[Kulindahr]

More derogatory insults

Not that I can see. He's making observations and guesses about why you post the way you do.

Pot. Kettle. Black

Not even.

TO be fair, since I read 250 of your posts earlier to see what your style is, I just sat and read the last 250 posts Boston made.

Result: no comparison. While he can be sharp and pointed, I could only find two that even approached being derogatory or insulting. In both cases, I went to the thread and read the conversation, and have to say that he could make a not unreasonable claim of cause.

Your posts, on the other hand, use terms such as "cry baby" and "coward" with fair abundance.

 

[Kulindahr]

Actually I've finally figured it out.

Laika is a creation of the evil liberal cabal currently ruining America. He is the brainchild of one of those wacko left wing wingnuts who realized that by creating such an avatar that embodies the worst qualities of non-critical judgement and intellectual finesse that it would only serve to make the right wing look more extreme and absurd than the teabaggers.

We've been had.

He's nowhere near "the worst". His insults are mild, his derogatory remarks hardly stinging. In terms of right-wing ideologues, he's actually a fairly polite one. I see defensiveness at work, perhaps; he jumps in response to being chastised, but doesn't seem at all to respond to constructive suggestions or affirmation.