Climate Science biting liberals in the ass again.

[TX-Beau]

If you think "global warning" will not be a totalitarian ideology, here is the King of Sweden calling for a ban on baths. They use too much energy, don't you know.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-calls-ban-BATHS-admits-ashamed-run-one.html

Is there any detail of our lives which will not need dictation from Washington?

The King of Sweden rules in Washington?

 

[TX-Beau]

Real nice that a certain person derailed this thread.

Ben derails every thread the second he gets caught.

 

[xbuzzerx]

False. I defy you to show me a Republican argument for Social Darwinism ever.

So Republican philosophy isn't totally insane, just yours?

 

[jbrown329]

The King of Sweden rules in Washington?

Shhh, it's a liberal secret. And he's a Muslim too.

 

[Benvolio]

Shhh, it's a liberal secret. And he's a Muslim too.

Don't laugh. When the democrats hear the idea, they wil outlaw baths too. It is only a matter of time.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Don't laugh. When the democrats hear the idea, they wil outlaw baths too. It is only a matter of time.

I live in California. Favoring showers over baths both for water and energy conservation has been promoted in PSA's my entire lifetime. It's nothing new, and you say this as if people favoring greener methods is something horrible we all need to be very afraid of.

 

[rareboy]

If you think "global warning" will not be a totalitarian ideology, here is the King of Sweden calling for a ban on baths. They use too much energy, don't you know.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-calls-ban-BATHS-admits-ashamed-run-one.html

Is there any detail of our lives which will not need dictation from Washington?

King Carl XVI Gustaf, who once had a reputation as a lothario and is now a staunch environmentalist, said he realised how much water and energy they used when he was recently staying somewhere without a shower.

The 69-year-old ‘green king’ told Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet: ‘It hit me how much water and energy it used.

Apparently in jest, he added: ‘We should ban all baths.’

Yes. It is only a matter of time that Sweden's jocular policy is being shouted out by Obama from his podium in the Reichstag as he directs people to not bathe.

And obviously you haven't been paying attention as drought stricken regions have had to enact restrictions on water use so that people would, y'know, have some actual water to drink. Expect this to become the norm as climate change makes a desert of many US states that have squandered the resources they had watering their lawns and almond groves.

 

[TX-Beau]

AND RAREBOY gets the prize for following Ben's link today!

We should name it the Intellectual Dishonesty Award.

IDA! Rareboy wins IDA for Monday!

One of the two reasons I can't quite dismiss the suspicion that Ben is a Bot are things like this, or that it's possible Ben is being paid per post.

 

[LittleDove]

Simple dishonesty might be another explanation, as would be advanced duncedom.

Sometime in the last few days, I saw something where he was raving about Marxist Banana Republics ... a contradiction in terms if ever there was one.

 

[Kulindahr]

For shame, you are taking a sentence out of context. I was specifically referring to the obscure history of the designation of Republican states as red.

Wow. You cited the Wikipedia article, which shows that the history isn't at all obscure, and threw out a conspiracy-theory notion with no basis in reality -- and you call "shame"?

For an alleged attorney, you are very poor at comprehending sources you cite --assuming you even read it in this case.

 

[Kulindahr]

False. I defy you to show me a Republican argument for Social Darwinism ever.

LOL

Just about everything the House has proposed since the GOP got a majority there.

 

[Kulindahr]

If you think "global warning" will not be a totalitarian ideology, here is the King of Sweden calling for a ban on baths. They use too much energy, don't you know.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-calls-ban-BATHS-admits-ashamed-run-one.html

Is there any detail of our lives which will not need dictation from Washington?

Reading comprehension fail. And reality awareness fail.

We've been told that baths use more water than showers since the bicentennial. And the King was joking.

 

[jbrown329]

Don't laugh. When the democrats hear the idea, they wil outlaw baths too. It is only a matter of time.

Outlaw baths, I don't give a hairy rat's ass. I haven't taken a bath in 30+ years. I shower.

 

[Benvolio]

Outlaw baths, I don't give a hairy rat's ass. I haven't taken a bath in 30+ years. I shower.

I posted it as an illustration of my prediction that climate change will be a totalitarian ideology justifying government control of every thing. If they regulate baths what will they not regulate? The size of soft drinks?

 

[xbuzzerx]

I posted it as an illustration of my prediction that climate change will be a totalitarian ideology justifying government control of every thing. If they regulate baths what will they not regulate? The size of soft drinks?

Attempts to restrict people from voting are far more dangerous to a democracy than regulating soft drinks.

 

[Benvolio]

Attempts to restrict people from voting are far more dangerous to a democracy than regulating soft drinks.

Fraudulent voting endengers democracy even more. The democrat machine has not allowed a Republican mayor of Chicago since the 30s. The pretence that poor people do not have IDs is just more democrat fraud.

 

[thewiz]

Fraudulent voting endengers democracy even more. The democrat machine has not allowed a Republican mayor of Chicago since the 30s. The pretence that poor people do not have IDs is just more democrat fraud.

I don't think it is the Democrats that have turned the tide on criminal Republican administrations. If you weren't so lazy, you'd Google and find: "William Hale Thompson (May 14, 1869 – March 19, 1944) was Mayor of Chicago from 1915 to 1923 and again from 1927 to 1931. Known as "Big Bill", Thompson was the last Republican to serve as Mayor of Chicago (as of 2015). He ranks among the most unethical mayors in American history."

I think the stink of Republican criminality was enough to last almost a century. You can't fool everyone all the time -- only Republican primary voters it seems.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Fraudulent voting endengers democracy even more. The democrat machine has not allowed a Republican mayor of Chicago since the 30s. The pretence that poor people do not have IDs is just more democrat fraud.

Totalitarians always justify their encroachments on guaranteed protections or liberties by invoking some phantom boogeyman threat, just as you are doing.

In this outpouring of panicked concern for the integrity of voting you have never once mentioned gerrymandering. Nor sided with anyone here in discussions of how it rigs the outcomes of elections away from what the local constituency should produce.

 

[thewiz]

Totalitarians always justify their encroachments on guaranteed protections or liberties by invoking some phantom boogeyman threat, just as you are doing.

In this outpouring of panicked concern for the integrity of voting you have never once mentioned gerrymandering. Nor sided with anyone here in discussions of how it rigs the outcomes of elections away from what the local constituency should produce.

Nor has he ever actually been a clerk. Had he the wherewithal to do so, he'd find that the existing system is quite foolproof at the local levels. Where the problem exists is that there is no national election data base; rather each state has some type of requirement and process and none of them are interconnected. What this means is that someone could be a snowbird from the north and vote in Florida while asking for and receiving an absentee ballot from a northern state.

If he was truly interested (and all Republicans were), they'd standardize voting machines, professionalize election inspectors, establish a national voting data system (with fingerprint ID -- not some manipulative requirement at the state levels), and enable people to vote for extended periods. The goal should be getting EVERYONE to vote; not just Republicans. Of course, that would result in them losing most elections so they'll resort to "voter fraud" and establishing arcane regulatory processes as well as shorter poll hours to discourage minority votes (since those people usually have to work and can't stand in line for hours).

 

[jbrown329]

Voter Fraud Is Rare, but Myth Is Widespread

Is vote fraud common in American politics? Not according to United States District Judge Lynn Adelman, who examined the evidence from Wisconsin and ruled in late April that “virtually no voter impersonation occurs” in the state and that “no evidence suggests that voter-impersonation fraud will become a problem at any time in the foreseeable future.”

Strikingly, however, a Marquette Law School poll conducted in Wisconsin just a few weeks later showed that many voters there believed voter impersonation and other kinds of vote fraud were widespread — the likely result of a yearslong campaign by conservative groups to raise concerns about the practice. Thirty-nine percent of Wisconsin voters believe that vote fraud affects a few thousand votes or more each election. One in five believe that this level of fraud exists for each of the three types of fraud that individuals could commit: in-person voter impersonation, submitting absentee ballots in someone else’s name, and voting by people who are not citizens or Wisconsin residents.

NYT

The 'Myth' of Voter Fraud

Election law expert Tova Wang explains what voter ID laws are really about.

A democracy hinges on fair elections, which is why voter fraud could pose a serious threat to the American political system. But election law expert Tova Wang says instances of polling place fraud are extremely rare. Wang, a fellow at progressive think tanks Demos and the Century Foundation, is the author of a forthcoming book called The Politics of Voter Suppression: Defending and Expanding Americans' Right to Vote. She recently spoke with U.S. News about election fraud and why she thinks voter ID laws are discriminatory. Excerpts:

Is there a problem of voter fraud?

If you're asking whether there's fraud in the electoral system, yes, there is some, not a lot. If you're asking me if there is fraud at the polling place, then I would say no, we do not have a serious problem with fraud in this country.

US News

2012 Voter Fraud
Claim: List cites instances proving voter fraud in the 2012 U.S. presidential election.
FALSE Snopes

Voter Fraud: A Massive, Anti-Democratic Deception

I knew something wrong was afoot when my wife reported that a 90-year-old woman had to be turned away from voting early at our local polling place. Her crime: She didn’t have a driver’s license. Why would she? She wasn’t able to drive anymore.

As the embarrassed election judge fumbled for a solution as the woman sobbed — this was the first election she missed in her life (and might be her last) — it struck me at how regressive this whole idea of voter policing has become.

Believe me, I know plenty about voting fraud. I’m from Chicago, where countless voters were registered in graveyards and perhaps aided in the election of John F. Kennedy in 1960 thanks to Richard J. Daley’s political machine. He managed to put a lot of zombies in polling places — even more than were in political office at the time.

But large-scale voter fraud is virtually non-existent today. Yet the efforts to root it out recall the horrid Jim Crow era. The former “party of Lincoln” has been most active in this fraudulent crusade. It’s mostly prevented people of color and older folks from voting. Could it be that they’d largely vote for Democrats?

Shades of 2000 and 2004 when somehow voting machines weren’t delivered to African-American precincts in Ohio and Florida or unforeseen glitches prevented their ballots from counting. It’s not that the disenfranchised voters weren’t properly registered — by and large they were. But a systematic campaign to keep them from voting was in place. It’s been documented by several news organizations, most notably the Miami Herald.

Forbes

UFO Sightings Are More Common Than Voter Fraud

The GOP says election fraud is rampant. A close look at the numbers shows there's no evidence of that.

Block The Vote

Since 2001, nearly 1,000 bills that would tighten voting laws have been introduced in 46 states.

24 voting restrictions have passed in 17 states since 2011. This fall, new laws could affect more than 5 million voters in states representing 179 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency.

In the past two years, 5 battleground states (Florida, Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) have tightened their voting laws.

As of April, 74 restrictive voting laws were on the table in 24 states.

Mother Jones

Voter Purging: A Legal Way for Republicans to Swing Elections?

Now the Department of Justice, like the Republican Party, wants fewer registered voters in 2008.

The Department of Justice's Voting Section is pressuring 10 states to purge voter rolls before the 2008 election based on statistics that former Voting Section attorneys and other experts say are flawed and do not confirm that those states have more voter registrations than eligible voters, as the department alleges.

Voting Section Chief John Tanner called for the purges in letters sent this spring under an arcane provision in the National Voter Registration Act, better known as the Motor Voter law, whose purpose is to expand voter registration. The identical letters notify states that 10 percent or more of their election jurisdictions have problematic voter rolls. It tells states to report "the subsequent removal from rolls of persons no longer eligible to vote."

AlterNet

Court rules Florida voter purge illegal, but will it stop GOP voting tweaks?

In 2012, Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) attempted to purge the state’s voter rolls of noncitizens and other ineligible voters. On Tuesday, a panel for the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against the effort 2 to 1.

A panel for the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta on Tuesday deemed illegal a 2012 attempt by Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) to purge the state’s voter rolls of noncitizens and other ineligible voters.

The ruling, which the justices said was intended to thwart future questionable roll purges, comes amid a new wave of pitched battles between Republicans who say they want to make voting fairer by curbing voting-booth shenanigans and Democrats who say adding restrictions to voting is a blatant attempt to keep poor people and blacks – many of whom are Democrats – from casting ballots.

The Christian Science Monitor

The Most Brazen Attempt at Voter Suppression Yet

New revelations show GOP officials in key battleground states are attempting to purge millions of minorities from the voter rolls.

Let’s assume—despite what most liberals suspect—that the most vocal voter ID boosters are sincere. That, as National Review’s Rich Lowry argues in Politico, they want nothing more than to protect the vote from fraud with a minor imposition on the time and effort of prospective voters. “Where you come down on this issue,” he writes, “really depends on whether you think it’s reasonable to require the minimal effort to establish your identity by producing an ID at the ballot box or not.”

Fair enough. That’s a reasonable sentiment. Despite substantial evidence to the contrary, Republicans and other voter ID supporters don’t want to make it harder for more vulnerable voters to cast a ballot—although that’s the practical outcome of an ID requirement—they just want to secure the process and protect the integrity of the vote.

Slate