Clinton Brings Attention to the alt.right

[Stardreamer]

I'm curious to know in what way so-called "regressive liberalism", as I've always heard the term used, is similar to the alt-right.

Regressive liberalism is the term conservatives use against liberals whenever they squawk about Muslims "invading" the US or when advocating laws banning Sharia courts. Basically, the argument goes that while liberals advocate for the rights of women and gays, they refuse to fight for them when threatened by Muslims. It's an argument that has virtually zero basis in reality. Oh, and those "Sharia courts" are no real different then Roman Catholic Canon Law courts that annul marriages which decides nothing more then whether you can be married in a Catholic Church again. Conservatives swear though, that somehow these Sharia courts are "mandatory" for Muslim women while presenting no proof for that of course.

So in what way did the video make the comparison?

I need to look at this some more I think. The way the term was being used seems to be aimed at such things as social justice warriors, something called third wave feminism and PC movements on campuses. In that, this Chris Ray Gun person whose video I saw today sounds a lot like some of the viewpoints I hear associated with alt.right as far as speech goes and anti-PC attitudes. Which is really disturbing to me since while I find most of what is being said about the alt.right frightening, I am very much a free speech advocate and have always found the very idea of PC an anathema so I'm trying to sort this all out in my world view.

 

[TX-Beau]

I need to look at this some more I think. The way the term was being used seems to be aimed at such things as social justice warriors, something called third wave feminism and PC movements on campuses. In that, this Chris Ray Gun person whose video I saw today sounds a lot like some of the viewpoints I hear associated with alt.right as far as speech goes and anti-PC attitudes. Which is really disturbing to me since while I find most of what is being said about the alt.right frightening, I am very much a free speech advocate and have always found the very idea of PC an anathema so I'm trying to sort this all out in my world view.

"PC" exists in every corner of the political spectrum and always has - there are things you can't say to right wing racists and there are things you can't say to band-wagoners who insist they just aren't "PC" when in fact it's become extremely P.C. to insist one isn't.

My Grandmother had another word for P.C. she called that manners.

 

[Kabluey]

"PC" exists in every corner of the political spectrum and always has - there are things you can't say to right wing racists and there are things you can't say to band-wagoners who insist they just aren't "PC" when in fact it's become extremely P.C. to insist one isn't.

My Grandmother had another word for P.C. she called that manners.

The biggest load of PC nonsense is from the people who'll never admit to being racists.
The amount of sidestepping they undertake to avoid offending each other with an accurate label is hilarious.

 

[Stardreamer]

"PC" exists in every corner of the political spectrum and always has - there are things you can't say to right wing racists and there are things you can't say to band-wagoners who insist they just aren't "PC" when in fact it's become extremely P.C. to insist one isn't.

My Grandmother had another word for P.C. she called that manners.

Manners though is a voluntary practice and a good one to develop. It becomes bad manners though if you force it on others.

 

[TX-Beau]

Who exactly is forcing you to be "P.C."?

Manners are indeed the product of social pressure, and social interaction, it's why people say things anonymously on the net they'd never say to your face.

 

[TX-Beau]

Frankly if you look at the people whining about P.C. they are generally the people who want to be able to say nasty shit about other people without censure.

Like the Orange Crusader.

 

[Benvolio]

The biggest load of PC nonsense is from the people who'll never admit to being racists.
The amount of sidestepping they undertake to avoid offending each other with an accurate label is hilarious.

You always forget that anti-white is racism as well.

 

[Kabluey]

You always forget that anti-white is racism as well.

Claiming victim status when you're speaking against Hispanic and Muslim people, then claiming it's not about race isn't cute or clever.
It's just weak.

 

[Benvolio]

PC is an ideology and political agenda that promotes the minorities at the expense and to the exclusion of the majority members. "Minorities to the maximum extent possible." PC says that one can say any nasty thing he wants about, Americans, whites and conservatives, but any hint of criticism of minorities is forbidden. All minorities are entitled to affirmative action preference over majority members. "Black studies" is good, but white studies would be a cause for outrage. The rules of this thread are an extreme example of Political Correctness.
It all stems from the fact that since 1865, the democrat party has been a collection of disgruntled minorities. PC is a philosophy of subverting democracy by ordaining that the majority always loses.

 

[Kabluey]

PC is an ideology and political agenda that promotes the minorities at the expense and to the exclusion of the majority members. "Minorities to the maximum extent possible." PC says that one can say any nasty thing he wants about, Americans, whites and conservatives, but any hint of criticism of minorities is forbidden. All minorities are entitled to affirmative action preference over majority members. "Black studies" is good, but white studies would be a cause for outrage. The rules of this thread are an extreme example of Political Correctness.
It all stems from the fact that since 1865, the democrat party has been a collection of disgruntled minorities. PC is a philosophy of subverting democracy by ordaining that the majority always loses.

Nonsense.

You yourself can't wear the label that others assign your behaviour, so you dodge it by giving yourself labels that you think sound politically correct.

If I call you racist, and you wriggle and say you're just protecting your way of life (or some such slogan), then you're trying to put a PC face to your actions.

 

[rareboy]

It is ironic that the hardcore racists hide behind the pc 'White Pride' banner instead of just owning the fact they hate pigmentation.

 

[Stardreamer]

Who exactly is forcing you to be "P.C."?

Manners are indeed the product of social pressure, and social interaction, it's why people say things anonymously on the net they'd never say to your face.

George Carlin said something along the lines of PC being fascism pretending to be manners. Manners again is a good thing but using the excuse of manners as a means to silence others is not. Yet they are not silenced but as you point out simply take the ideas to other places or internalize them. It is better for all when ideas, even unpleasant ones, are out in the open where they could be discussed and debated.

 

[gsdx]

PC has been taken to the extreme in the United States, yet free speech allows people to be as un-PC as they wish. It becomes ridiculous, though, when the PC terminology is extended beyond the border. We don't have African-Americans in Canada. And I recall an American news report referring to Nelson Mandela as 'African-American'. I also remember a friend of mine who lived in South Africa telling me about Whitney Houston doing a concert there. When she went on stage, she said, "Finally! I'm home!" She was booed for that comment.

Charlize Theron is a true African-American, born in Africa but now a US citizen. Mr. Mandela was a continent away from being one.

 

[Benvolio]

George Carlin said something along the lines of PC being fascism pretending to be manners. Manners again is a good thing but using the excuse of manners as a means to silence others is not. Yet they are not silenced but as you point out simply take the ideas to other places or internalize them. It is better for all when ideas, even unpleasant ones, are out in the open where they could be discussed and debated.

Often in college, non-PC speech violates rules and can result on punishment.

 

[TX-Beau]

If you don't want to be "PC" don't. No one can make you say anything. Poof, end of problem.

The only people I ever see talking about "PC" are people who are insisting that they aren't, and the racists on the right who want to be able to call people racist names with impunity.

 

[Kabluey]

Often in college, non-PC speech violates rules and can result on punishment.

I don't think you've been to college.
Or do you really believe the 'horror' stories they tell on ultraconservative websites are representative of the education that millions have had?
You probably do.

 

[jbrown329]

Calling Blacks in the United States African Americans pisses off the alt.right. They'd much rather use the n word. I guess that I'm to "PC".

 

[jbrown329]

A Guide to the Alt-Right, Modern White Supremacists Bolstering Trump

This social media savvy group skews young, and embraces white ethno-nationalism as a fundamental value.

Background

The Alternative Right is a term coined in 2008 by Richard Bertrand Spencer, who heads the white nationalist think tank known as the National Policy Institute, to describe a loose set of far-right ideals centered on “white identity” and the preservation of “Western civilization.” In 2010, Spencer, who had done stints as an editor of The American Conservative and Taki’s Magazine, launched the Alternative Right blog, where he worked to refine the movement’s ideological tenets.

Spencer describes the Alt Right as a big-tent ideology that blends the ideas of neo-reactionaries (NRx-ers), who advocate a return to an antiquated, pseudo-libertarian government that supports “traditional western civilization”; “archeofuturists,” those who advocate for a return to “traditional values” without jettisoning the advances of society and technology; human biodiversity adherents (HBDers) and “race realists,” people who generally adhere to “scientific racism”; and other extreme-right ideologies. Alt-Right adherents stridently reject egalitarianism and universalism.

AlterNet

 

[LittleDove]

A Guide to the Alt-Right, Modern White Supremacists Bolstering Trump

The KKK in designer bedsheets.

 

[Benvolio]

Here is a high school banning the American flag at football games because it might sometime be used to taunt the hispanics. The American flag just is not PC. http://eagnews.org/sc-school-bans-american-flag-from-football-games/

Here is Clemson stopping a man from praying on campus.http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...n-praying-campus-isnt-free-speech-area-video/