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Luminum, I totally agree with your assessment of the current issue of Amazing Spiderman. Aunt May and Mary Jane do seem forced in the issue. And the last panel of the issue! "I have an announcement to make" I bet Mary Jane bites it before the end of the War. Recent interviews with Joe whatshisface have mentioned he hates the fact that Peter married her and would love to see him single again...

mikey
 
luminum said:
Fuck you, Tony Stark, you alcoholic tool.

Heh, I don't like him either, ever since I read Iron Man #228; so much so I wrote him as a homophobe in fan fiction that I wrote, which also doubled as a script that I sent to Marvel, and I believe that's what may have inspired his sarcastic reference to himself as the "Grand Dragon of the KKK" in Avengers #27, since Busiek may have skimmed my script.
 
Marvels said:
I'm Pro-Registration, by the way.

Is this a recent development where we've seen this come back into the Marvel Universe or we are harkening back to the Mutant Registration Act of the 80's and the proposed Superhero Registration Act of the very late 80's, early 90's?
 
Effortless_Pro said:
I'll also upload a picture of the Iluminati
Which consist of Iron Man, Prof. X, Dr Strange, Namor, Reed Richards, and I dunno who the last guy is....(Havok? Quicksilver? seriously no idea)

That would be Blackbolt of the Inhumans. ..|
 
Effortless_Pro said:
See I find it interesting that Captain America sided, agaisnt the registration.
Why?
Well because he's done that all before, and it basically ruined his life.
Even though they're heroes, with super powers they still want a life of normalcy, sure they'll probably never have it, but they try, they succeed here and there.

So sure Superhero loved one protection agencies would be great. The only problem with that is....let's say a villain who's a telepath woudl have no trouble finding them, if that were the case, I mean humans, mutants, heroes are all subjected to the flaws of mankind and would do almost anything for a buck, what's to stop a government employee from taking a bribe to reveal where such and such is?

I mean, why should they be registered from birth, and train to fight this and do that, what if they choose not to fight, what if they manage to keep their powers under control and not use them? What if they want to be "Normal"? Sure maybe every now and then they'll help somebody but woudl conscrption be nessecary? Is it right?
What is right though? Being militarily trained to fight FOR the government? What if some whackjob is controlling the government (Let's say a Lex Luthor type Villain controlling the american government?) Or Hell Dr.Doom controlling the government! Then what would happen? The government also coudl always deploy these "Heroes" for their own personal gain, it should be the heroes choice to help people, they should not be forced into it.

It's liek Big Brother. Surely we wouldn't want to be registered from birth if it ever came possible to detect homosexuals. It does seem liek a rather curious motion, with possible ulterior motives.





(in regards to what I'm reading right now? Not a whole lot I'm waiting for my copy of Endsong to Arrive)


Policemen register, am I right? Don't they have normal lives beyond the office? Because to me, that's what superheroes are. Cops with powers.

And telepaths would have no trouble finding hero families either way. Peter Parker's lucky that, before Civil War, he hasn't gone up against a telepath powerful enough to see who his is and where his family lives.

Of course it is posibble for an employee to take a bribe, hell, Jessica Drew's the iffiest memeber in S.H.I.E.L.D. right now. That's why I proposed that the information only be given to the highest ranking officials. Nick Fury knew everybody's secret identity in his little Secret War, and I'm sure he wasn't the only one since other Level Ten members had the same access as he did. Did anything bad happen to the heroes then, regarding their personal lives? No.

And if they are registered from birth, and they don't want to fight, they should a least take courses in how to control their powers - - like how we study for driving or speech lessons. If they want to help people, fine. But they should have boundaries. Like the equivalent of how we help a guy getting beaten up by unarmed thugs, but call the police when we start hearing gunshots.

As for corruption, why would you think that heroes would allow to continue to be in service if they knew that their leader was E-vil? And Doctor Doom ruling isn't a bad thing, since the short time he DID rule the world, he brought forth an unprecedented amount of prosperity. Hell, it took him eighteen months to turn Latveria into a world power the very moment he came to power. Not everything is black and white.

And one last thing, homosexuality does not represent a threat to the universe. Metahumans do.

(Bloody hell, we talk like it's actually happening in the world)
 
Marvels said:
Policemen register, am I right? Don't they have normal lives beyond the office? Because to me, that's what superheroes are. Cops with powers.

And telepaths would have no trouble finding hero families either way. Peter Parker's lucky that, before Civil War, he hasn't gone up against a telepath powerful enough to see who his is and where his family lives.

Of course it is posibble for an employee to take a bribe, hell, Jessica Drew's the iffiest memeber in S.H.I.E.L.D. right now. That's why I proposed that the information only be given to the highest ranking officials. Nick Fury knew everybody's secret identity in his little Secret War, and I'm sure he wasn't the only one since other Level Ten members had the same access as he did. Did anything bad happen to the heroes then, regarding their personal lives? No.

And if they are registered from birth, and they don't want to fight, they should a least take courses in how to control their powers - - like how we study for driving or speech lessons. If they want to help people, fine. But they should have boundaries. Like the equivalent of how we help a guy getting beaten up by unarmed thugs, but call the police when we start hearing gunshots.

As for corruption, why would you think that heroes would allow to continue to be in service if they knew that their leader was E-vil? And Doctor Doom ruling isn't a bad thing, since the short time he DID rule the world, he brought forth an unprecedented amount of prosperity. Hell, it took him eighteen months to turn Latveria into a world power the very moment he came to power. Not everything is black and white.

And one last thing, homosexuality does not represent a threat to the universe. Metahumans do.

(Bloody hell, we talk like it's actually happening in the world)

I have to say that I am in total disagreement with your position. Wrong is wrong. I'm reminded of the exchange between Senator Kelly and Jean Grey at the beginning of X-Men:

Senator Kelly: Three words: Are mutants dangerous?
Doctor Jean Grey: That's an unfair question, Senator Kelly. After all, the wrong person behind the wheel of a car can be dangerous.
Senator Kelly: Well, we do license people to drive.
Doctor Jean Grey: But not to live.

No matter which way you look at it it's wrong.
 
Effortless_Pro: Most superhereos get their powers from radioactive waste, which instead of giving them leukemia ends up giving them enhanced senses. Nonetheless, if you had a super-type in your neighborhood who routinely destroys most of everything in order to protect you, wouldn't you want some sort of insurance that he really is out there to help you?

Vigilantes, anyway you look at it, are STILL criminals. They take the law into their own hands. The only reason superheroes get away with it is because they are just that: super.

I mean, if Spider-Man had the Government's backing, then would it be possible that he never would have had to go through thr entire drama about him being a menace, since people would know for sure that he was doing 'good'?

And it doesn't matter if he had people mind-controlled (incidentally, Latverians were never mind controlled in his rise to power), that doesn't make it automatically easy to run a planet.

If superheroes wanted to live normal lives, then they would never have decided put the mask on in the first place, now would they?

Again, I raise the point - - an entire army of supermen will not allow themselves to be used by corrupt humans. Heroes breaking away from the law, should be treated as what they are. Criminals.

Also, paralleling the registration to the plight of the Auschwitz tragedy seems more than a bit forced. We aren't herding people in ovens to let them die. We are organizing them in order to better facilitate their systematic deployment should a major threat arise.

Registration is here to help normal people cope with the fact that they no longer have control with their lives.

GL247: And how is it wrong exactly?
 
You assume that these government institutions will be inherently good. You question why they would ever let themselves be controlled....but if they've been borna nd trained since birth, how easy woudl it be to cotnrol a bunch of new warriors that you've institutionalized for their entire lives?

I also see it isolating new mutants/heroes. They'd have to go to training schools, separated and probably ostracized by the 'normal' community.

And if these registration files were so okay, why was the Mutant Registration Act so opposed by the X-Men? They knew it could be abused. They kenw that current mentality towards mutants was not in their favor, just as mentality about superheores is not in their favor.

And if they were so 'safe' why are the Xavier Protocals always such an issue? This is so easy to abuse. Any technophile like Sage, or Reverand Stryker could hack in and find everything. This registration also just opens another means of finding out a hero's identity and the identity of his/her loved ones. As it stood, the only way it could be found out would be a psychic. But now anyone else can find out.

And as it looks from Spiderman Civil War, the identity must be revealed publically, since Spiderman's is at a press conference revealing his face.

Another point is that how can the government rationalize registering mutants and forcing them to train and serve when they aren't even being protected by current laws in the government? It's like requiring gays to serve and protect even though we're second class citizens in the coutnry and the army.

Plus, if America registers all of its heros and makes them serve and register as 'weapons of mass destruction' (the language reveals just what the motivation behind this act is: prejudice, anger, and fear) what about other coutnries where superpowers are required ot enlist, serve, and fight?

The whole concept doesn't even seem to have control. Insitutes could be all over the country, which means that they cannot all be supervised like they should to avoid any corruption. One corrupt superpower could influence all his charges to serve him. It could even foster a sense of superiority in the charges. Superpowers are different from police officers because police elect to be given this power and train for their own conscious choice ot use that power as a tool of peace and compliance. When you force people with that power to use it one way even if it wasn't necessarily their choice, you're going to encounter a growing monster that youv'e created on your own.

And what if someone does rebel? You'll imprison them? Just how many cells will be necessary and what quality will they have to be for each individual power? And imprisoning people because they don't want to serve is like the policy in other coutnries where peoiple are jailed for not enlisting. It takes away a freedom of choice in how to use one's powers and how to live one's life. It takes away the choice from parents who don't believe in what the government would be trainign their children for, even if it's masked as 'training and control of their powers for their own good'. The ultimate goal is to make them into some fighting force. It does take away freedom.

God, we're talking about this like it's a real policy. I feel so geeky :P
 
yuty said:
I haven't read X-Men that much (minus Astonishing X-Men) because of the Devils called Milligan and Chuck Austen.

Claramont's writing also makes me vomit....

Amen, Yuty.
 
okstatecowboy said:
Luminum, I totally agree with your assessment of the current issue of Amazing Spiderman. Aunt May and Mary Jane do seem forced in the issue. And the last panel of the issue! "I have an announcement to make" I bet Mary Jane bites it before the end of the War. Recent interviews with Joe whatshisface have mentioned he hates the fact that Peter married her and would love to see him single again...

mikey

Not sure on that, OK. Quesada said the problem with either divorcing him and MJ or killing her would only add tragic baggage to him that would further alienate younger readers from him. Quesada's problem with the marriage is that it makes Peter too adult for the younger readers who can then no longer relate to him. Divorced or widowed would make it worse. I'm speculating that they are going to do something that may negate the whole marriage thing as if it never happened--there have been some hints that there might be a time travel or magic aspect to the story before Civil War is all said and done.
 
One idea that Marvel has not played enough with over the years is WHY the X-men/mutants are so hated. They continue to stress that it is because mutants are different, but one of the keys is that they are called Homo Superior. They are supposedly the next link in the evolution chain. So they are basically hated by many for being better than human. Imagine a race of humans forced to confront a new race of beings "designed" to replace them.

Bullies often seek to oppress those who many would consider weaker than them, but deep down, it could be because the bully senses that the victim is, in truth, far superior.
 
I'm scared to look at what I currently read or will be reading soon:

DC--Superman/Action, 52, Batman/Detective (sporadically), Wonder Woman, Flash, Justice League, Teen Titans, Legion of Superheroes, JSA, Birds of Prey, Secret Six, Checkmate (will probably drop), Aquaman (ditto), Blue Beetle, Outsiders (probably drop), Firestorm, All Star Superman, Justice, Manhunter, Y the Last Man.

Marvel--Astonishing X-men, Daredevil, New Avengers (probably drop), Runaways, Young Avengers, X-Factor, Squadron Supreme, Ultimates, Ultimate X-men, Ultimate Fantastic Four, Ultimate Spiderman, Powers.

Indies: Walking Dead

At any given time assorted mini-series or occassional issues of other books.

I know there's more, but it's getting financially depressing to consider how many there might be.
 
All my friends are popular, which means this is the only place where I can talk about comics and not get lblank stares.

Luminum: I belong to the second most corrupt country in the world, man. Second. I know firsthand the effects of corruption. The same way I know that if the government does not control it's people, then they become nothing more than an angry mob ready to pounce.

And should they be trained for evil, so what? A person would have to be monumentally stupid to believe that what is bad is good, given the morality plays that society feeds us. But before that, you are arguing about the possibility that an evil government trains evil super-armies. Shouldn't they need the support of heroes first? And the heroes who will support the program, do you think they'll idly stand by and watch as supercriminals get bred once they realize the darker side of the government?

But why do I agree with registration so much? Because people need to be herded. They need somebody to take charge of them, otherwise, they give in to their lowest fundamental imperative. Survival. By any means necessary. If people were so damn good, then why is there law in the first place?

Now imagine a time where law cannot hold a man responsible. Where does telepathy get covered in the instituion? When do metahumans realize the boundaries that they have? Because if you want an example of what would happen should metahumans multiply without any fear of law, you get "Kingdom Come". If you haven't read it, then read it. Believe me when I tell you that registration is much better than the final decision humanity had to come to with regards to the metahuman problem.

And so what if you isolate them? They'll still be with other ethnicities, sexual orientations and whatnot. It's not like they are legally required to get shipped into an island somewhere and never get contact with anyone again. A person who can wake up one morning and kill us all with his mind, in my opinion, should be taught how to not to.

Which reminds me. Forget the fact that for forty years, the mutants, our favorite fictional characters, have fought against registration. Will we still be so quick to side against it without Xavier repeteadly pummeling us over the head that it's the equivalent of a concentration camp?

I haven't read Spider-Man yet, but from what I hear, he's been pressured into doing so. I'll catch up on this.

Registration IS the law that protects mutants and heroes. Relocation programs, special training, Government backing, the works. It just means that they need to sacrifice a little of their precious freedom to get it.

Now, imagine if there is NO registration. The arms race won't be limited to wealth and technology. It won't be the US against any country with a nuke anymore. Because heroes with powers greater than nukes could get born anywhere. Hell, my next door neighbor could end up with the power to distort time AND resurrect David hasslehoff's career. So what will that mean? It means that every country in the world gets to participate in an arms race - - where they no longer fight with WMD, but persons of mass destruction. We need a system to make sure that it does not happen.

Tony Stark recommended a global taskforce, but he allowed for the American division to be headed by S.H.I.E.L.D. and themselves. The equivalent would be the same for other countries - - one major company to oversee them all.

Yes. Policemen elect to do what they do. Heroes do the same the very moment they start wearing masks. No difference.

Registration will not automatically conscript every metahuman. It will elect to teach them who to use their powers, safely and ethically. Like a certain school we all know. If they rebel, fine, we have the data to take them out, so we take them out. Rotten apples. Just because they're super doesn't mean they get special treatment. They break the law, then they should be broken back. Ryker's had the good idea of using power dampening cells to house their villains. They just needed better external defenses.

It isn't a matter of choice anymore. Lives are at stake.

Last but not least, don't you think having data on both Sage and Stryker could give the government an edge in countering them should they go rogue and try to steal some delicate data?

Yes, I realize I sound completely evil, but people should realize that they need to have some liberties taken away to ensure their own safety. Which, I realize, is a weird thing to say for somebody who is anti-Bush.

Effortless_Pro: Watch it with the media comments, I'm interning for a TV company next term. I happen to know a lot of fine journalists working news.

Remember the Invincibles? The big bad is a perfect example of why you shouldn't trust people who seem to eager to 'do good'.

Anyway, so you don't want any bias from the media, but you insist that they withhold important information from us - - like the identities of people who could level a block by sneezing. I personally would want to know if somebody out there is that kind of a danger to me, my friends and my family.
 
I disagree. If they wanted a normal life, then they should stay away from using their powers at all. Deciding to put on a mask and endangering yourself as well as the people around you by flying around, in tights I might add, is far from normal.

The media does not report bias, as much as it does what people want to hear. I'll admit that much. It gives the people a reason to listen. To identify. We are so off-topic it hurts.

And by the way, you guys can call me Karlie.
 
Feh! I've already grown weary of all this hypothetical talk! Besides, it's giving me a headache. ;) Y'all can keep on talking of course, I just wanted to do something different. Let's do something simple. Let's talk about favorites! As comic books are a visual medium at its core, I love artists! My favorite is Alex Ross! A sampling...

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alex ross is the best!i wish justice would come out more than every other month! i stopped picking up most marvel books cause of civil war. i never like their big events that run through every book. do they really need so many spider-man books? impossible to keep up with all that. i really like ultimate ff right now. the zombie books were great? anyone else read those? the violence in them was crazy and i loved it! can't wait to see what becomes of zombie ff.
 
"Extinction" is the Ultimate retelling of Gahlaktus. It's not a bad read, but it doesn't feel as apocalyptic as it should be. It comes froma trilogy of books, actually - - it started with "Nightmare", followed up with "Secret", and was recently concluded with "Extinction".

"Marvel Zombies" is a five story arc that follows up the events of UFF's crossover arc. It's hot.

My favorite artists have got to be Alex Ross, followed by Greg Land. Copiel from HoM and Cassaday come next.
 
More Alex Ross!!!

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Don't forget to check out his website! Click here! :=D:
 
Alex Ross has never drawn a teenager. All of the people are either middle-aged, children, or excruciatingly old.

But goddamned if his Joker/Harley piece isn't a classic.
 
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