"Coming out" guide for gay conservatives?

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

But the pathetic gays think Boo Hoo we are more important than anything else. Grow up.

So your true colors are finally showing. Are you really even gay (the type of gay guy who walks around saying how much he cant STAND other gay guys)? Or are you a stray from Free Republic who has decided to go trolling in the enemy camp?

 

[Stardreamer]

Stardreamer- Do you understand what the word conservative means?

Yes, Do you?

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

Let mr explain. The gay agenda is of miniscule importance in the over all picture: the economy, poverty, immigration, unemployment, confiscation, crime, the ebnironment, energy etc. But the pathetic gays think Boo Hoo we are more important than anything else. Grow up. If you want to get married,go ahead. Get a church, tuxedos, a reception, a big cake, a honey moon and live happily ever after. Nobody is stopping you. But stop whining.

OK then - what are Republicans doing to address or solve those problems you listed? What is the GOP doing that is making life better for people that aren't White, male, straight & Christian?

 

[Kulindahr]

Gay conservatives are truly "the new gay" -- gay conservatives & gay Republicans often find themselves alienated, mocked, and isolated from the greater LGBT community at large, because the LGBT, is very Democratic and politically liberal. And yet, gay conservatives often can feel the pain and hurt when they hear the anti-gay sentiments and behavior of many straight conservatives.

First: learn the actual definitions of political types. Real conservatives have no problem with gays. The moment they have a problem with gays, you know you're dealing with a theocrat, a reactionary, or both.

It's a terrible quandary -- gay conservatives sometimes feel like they have to give up their political views, or suppress their identity, in order to be accepted. Which is wrong. Why can't gay people be comfortable with their sexual orientation, AND hold conservative views when it comes to relationships, the economy, military & national security, etc?

This is because you're hanging around the wrong people (see above).

2) How to "come out" to conservative parents & family, who may be devoutly religious

If they're Christian --

3) How to explain that homosexuality is not a choice, to conservatives

To real conservatives, this is not an issue (see above).

6) How to make friends in the gay community, without compromising your politically conservative beliefs.

Don't be connected with a party that thinks gays are subhuman.

9) Dating -- how to date in the gay community. When should you tell your prospective boyfriend or partner that you are a gay conservative. How should you react if a potential boyfriend dumps or leaves you simply because you are a conservative or Republican?

Don't be a Republican.

10) The importance of monogamy in gay male relationships/ partnerships.

That's not actually a conservative value -- it's more a religious one. Conservatives would emphasize being faithful in whatever sort of relationship you commit to, not just monogamy.

12) How to be "out" about being gay, without "shoving it down other people's throats"

Follow the example of straight people -- not mimic them, but do the way they do with things, e.g. a straight guy will comment on a chick's ass if he thinks it's cute, so you comment on a guy's ass if you think he's cute.

13) How to make the case for same-sex marriage, and other LGBT rights issues, to a conservative and/or Republican audience.

See the recommended video above.
And refer to Barry Goldwater, a past true-blue conservative, and Gary Johnson, a present conservative -- and point out that arguably the best conservative attorney in the country is fighting in court on behalf of gay marriage.

What do you guys think?

I think that until you see that being in the Republican party is hypocritical and self-demeaning for any gay, you're not going to get very far.

 

[Rolyo85]

Clap clap clap Kuli!

 

[Kulindahr]

2) "Repeal of Don't ask Don't tell" (allowing gays to serve openly in the military) is also a conservative value, not a liberal one. Conservatives are patriotic and support the military. Conservatives send their own sons to serve in the military; liberals most often do not -- liberals are more likely to protest the military, call them baby killers, etc (Code Pink & the liberal city of Berkeley, California, harassed, protested, and tried to force the US Marines to get rid of their recruitment center in Berkeley several years ago). The concept that gay men & women want the right to openly serve their country (& possibly die in its defense) is a testament to the perseverance of conservative values.

This is true. You should look up the matter of George Washington and gays in the military. 'Conservatives' often erroneously claim he was opposed to it because he signed an order dismissing a gay man from the Army, but the truth of the matter is that Washington didn't care that the man was gay: the order he signed was punishment not for being gay, but for fraternizing with enlisted personnel. If Washington had disapproved of the man being gay, he would have sentenced him to being flogged and then drummed out of the Army, and had the 'partner' treated the same -- but the partner, an enlisted man wasn't even charged. Further, Washington appointed known gays to officer ranks, and even provided private housing for them if they had a partner, appointing the partner to position as an orderly or aide or something. On top of that, Washington gladly welcomed foreign officers who were known to be gay, who came to offer aid to the colonists.

 

[Kulindahr]

Let mr explain. The gay agenda is of miniscule importance in the over all picture: the economy, poverty, immigration, unemployment, confiscation, crime, the ebnironment, energy etc. But the pathetic gays think Boo Hoo we are more important than anything else. Grow up. If you want to get married,go ahead. Get a church, tuxedos, a reception, a big cake, a honey moon and live happily ever after. Nobody is stopping you. But stop whining.

Let's take poverty and unemployment'

The Republican position is that it's okay to fire people for being gay and even kick them out of rental housing for being gay.

So, when it comes to gays, Republicans are in favor of unemployment and poverty... plus homelessness.

 

[bankside]

I don't understand the importance of being a gay conservative,or a gay muslim, or a believer or a gay whatever category of people is assumed to be incompatible. I am gay, and I find myself to be equal in dignity to other humans. I'm not "gay first." But certainly not "gay second" or "gay last" either.

My politics flows from that understanding of my equality. Note, it flows from my understanding of my equality with others, and not from my gayness. And anything else is steamrollered before that certainty. I don't particularly care if a political movement can't keep up. That's their problem. I don't feel compelled to rescue them from their own shortsightedness.

If there is no room for conservatism in the gay, self-respecting, and mutually-respecting population, I just don't give a fuck. Clearly there are certain kinds of conservatism of whom that is true. Anti-gay theocrats don't belong, for example.

 

[Kulindahr]

OK then - what are Republicans doing to address or solve those problems you listed? What is the GOP doing that is making life better for people that aren't White, male, straight & Christian?

You left off "and already rich".

 

[bort138]

Yes, Do you?

I thought I did but apparently not. Please enlighten me.

 

[Benvolio]

Your arguments are straw man arguments. First you announce that Republicans hate gays. This is not true and is favorite gimmick of liberal propagandists even as they preach hatred of the rich and Christians and whites and all who do not agree with them. The Republicans disagree with the gay agenda, as do I, but few actually hate gays. You forget that several of Bush's first appointments were open gays. Most Christians do not hate gays. Even the ones who do not approve of gay sex do not hate gays. You have heard "love the sinner, hate the sin". A tiny few may hate gays, but you are deluding yourselves if you believe all Democrats like or love gays. Just because they pander to you doesn't mean they like you. And because Republicans don't pander to you doesn't mean they hate you.
But liberal propagandists create the straw many of Republican hatred, in order to lead gays around. "They hate you so you should hate the rich. They hate you so you should vote for socialism." And too many gays are duped by the propaganda. If gay Republicans felt hated, which they do not, they would not be Republicans.
Every time you claim that Republicans hate gays you are falling for liberal propaganda and spreading it around.

 

[kallipolis]

Your arguments are straw man arguments. First you announce that Republicans hate gays. This is not true and is favorite gimmick of liberal propagandists even as they preach hatred of the rich and Christians and whites and all who do not agree with them. The Republicans disagree with the gay agenda, as do I, but few actually hate gays. You forget that several of Bush's first appointments were open gays. Most Christians do not hate gays. Even the ones who do not approve of gay sex do not hate gays. You have heard "love the sinner, hate the sin". A tiny few may hate gays, but you are deluding yourselves if you believe all Democrats like or love gays. Just because they pander to you doesn't mean they like you. And because Republicans don't pander to you doesn't mean they hate you.
But liberal propagandists create the straw many of Republican hatred, in order to lead gays around. "They hate you so you should hate the rich. They hate you so you should vote for socialism." And too many gays are duped by the propaganda. If gay Republicans felt hated, which they do not, they would not be Republicans.
Every time you claim that Republicans hate gays you are falling for liberal propaganda and spreading it around.

Which Bush the father, or the son?

Name these openly gay appointments that I may be better informed.

Tell us about the so called gay agenda that you state you disagree with.

 

[chrisrobin]

Which Bush the father, or the son?

Name these openly gay appointments that I may be better informed.

Tell us about the so called gay agenda that you state you disagree with.

Nobody will tell me what the "gay agenda" is. I think it comes under the canard of "special rights". The only thing I can think of is equality.

 

[kallipolis]

Nobody will tell me what the "gay agenda" is. I think it comes under the canard of "special rights". The only thing I can think of is equality.

Or, removing discriminatory legislation that denies the gay person the same human rights, as other human beings.

Surely this expectation should not be deemed to be a special right?

 

[kallipolis]

There is an irony to this debate on gay conservatives in that in the United Kingdom, their Conservative Party now boasts several openly gay men. I appreciate that by United States standards the UK Conservative Party is positively left wing.

Here's a link to an article discussing this matter in a little more depth:

Glad to be gay, glad to be Tory | Politics | The Guardian

 

[chrisrobin]

There is an irony to this debate on gay conservatives in that in the United Kingdom, their Conservative Party now boasts several openly gay men. I appreciate that by United States standards the UK Conservative Party is positively left wing.

By United States standards, the UK National Socialist Party is postively left wing.

 

[kallipolis]

By United States standards, the UK National Socialist Party is postively left wing.

Some irony!!

 

[Stardreamer]

I thought I did but apparently not. Please enlighten me.

Here is good start from Merriam-Webster:

a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)

Nothing in that fairly basic definition of conservatism that is inherently anti-gay. Religious Right social conservatives turn the meaning of tradition and social stability to suit their own views but pressing that in anti-gay agendas results in a political stands that are not truly conservative because they promote government intervention and reduced personal freedom on individuals. In fact in the issue of social stability, same sex marriage SHOULD be a conservative cause as it promotes social stability just as it does in the heterosexual community.

 

[Stardreamer]

Your arguments are straw man arguments. First you announce that Republicans hate gays. This is not true and is favorite gimmick of liberal propagandists even as they preach hatred of the rich and Christians and whites and all who do not agree with them. The Republicans disagree with the gay agenda, as do I, but few actually hate gays. You forget that several of Bush's first appointments were open gays. Most Christians do not hate gays. Even the ones who do not approve of gay sex do not hate gays. You have heard "love the sinner, hate the sin". A tiny few may hate gays, but you are deluding yourselves if you believe all Democrats like or love gays. Just because they pander to you doesn't mean they like you. And because Republicans don't pander to you doesn't mean they hate you.
But liberal propagandists create the straw many of Republican hatred, in order to lead gays around. "They hate you so you should hate the rich. They hate you so you should vote for socialism." And too many gays are duped by the propaganda. If gay Republicans felt hated, which they do not, they would not be Republicans.
Every time you claim that Republicans hate gays you are falling for liberal propaganda and spreading it around.

There is a basic truth to what you say concerning true conservatives and gays but you can't also ignore that individuals and groups who do hate gays rally to the Republicans because of its anti-gay stance so there is also truth in the propaganda that SOME Republicans hate gays. The same applies with racial issues. Most Republican conservatives have fallen for the conservative propaganda of a 'gay agenda' which really doesn't exist. That doesn't mean there aren't some really overzealous gay activists who go overboard but that is really true of any heartfelt movement.

 

[Stardreamer]

Now all the debate of conservatism aside, I do think JQ that your book idea is a good one particularly if it is written by someone who really understands both conservatives and homosexuals. As was pointed out you have an outline already, market it out for a writer. I would start with the Log Cabin Republican and GOProud groups and go from there.