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Confused about my friend

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OK, I don't want this to come off as one of those "oh, I have a crush on my straight friend" threads - though it is extremely similar... with a few twists. I've been a member here on the forums for a while, but I rarely post (but read everybody else's threads to gain insight).

Here is the situation. I met my friend "Brad" this summer while living here on-campus in the dorms. Since we both work for Housing and Residence Life over the off-academic year, we got advantage of free housing. We're both in college, him being 22 and myself being 21. He knows I'm gay and that I really like him.

Over the summer, the rule of thumb is that since you live and work with the people you see on a daily basis, I became close with him friend-wise. We both worked the front-desk, which serves soda and stuff, which is open 24/7, 24hrs a day. As such, we'd both get stuck with shitty shifts (only one person works at a time), so we'd often just stay up and watch movies, to provide company since being up at 2AM at a desk with nobody around just is plain-ass boring.

So, since we got stuck with the shitty shifts, we'd end up watching movies and talk. Discuss, all those fun things. Getting to know each other. Considering I thought he was an asshole just months earlier, we became friends and would do things together such as movies. We did go to the movies together twice, and although we did pay separately it was just a fun night out. The movies were "The Omen" and "The Devil Wears Prada"... nobody else wanted to see that movie, so he asked me to go with him.

Now you're probably wondering, "What's the point of this thread? The dude is straight!" This is the fun part. He has a really high tolerance for alcohol, so we went out with friends in the beginning of August. We all got quite smashed; he was completely gone. We brought Brad up to his room, and he passed out on the floor. I stayed with him for the next 2.5-3 hours, making sure he didn't get sick. I left for bed to pass out then after that time.

Next day, we're talking and he finds out what I did. His first response - which I vaguely remember - had something about probably wanting to take advantage of him. Yeah, pissed me off slightly... but I told him I've had bad experiences with alcohol and that I didn't want anybody else to go through what I've done... and that it would be considered rape and violate our friendship and trust if I did do anything. He agreed.

About two weeks later, we end up going out again with different people. It is the five of us; Brad and his interest at the time (female) and some mutual friends. Long story short, we end up going back to the dorms and a bet somehow takes place. The two girls in the party will make out if Brad and I make out. It happens. The girls make out, and Brad and I make out... and I stop it because I was enjoying it too much. While walking back to the dorms, he tells a few people we know because "he figures it will get out anyway" (BTW, the entire staff of his dorm now knows me as the person that made out with him. He's an R.A.) Within various conversations between that point and now (about three months), it has been as "it was a bet, thats all".

So, where is this going to? In November, right after Thanksgiving, we ended up having a 1.5 hour discussion about our friendship with each other. In a nutshell, he said himself that we grew to the point to where "it's like we were boyfriends" and that "I need to stop caring about him so much" and that "we need to spend less time with each other" because he didn't want our relationship to become unhealthy on my part. That was a major hint right there to leave him alone. So, for the last three weeks I've only said "hi" to him, and the only times we spend with each other is with other people when we get together and have movie-nights.

This is where the story gets interesting. I should have made reference with the fact that he is a really flirty guy. He flirts with everyone. So, he flirts with every girl he sees. He also flirts with me (but I've never seen him flirt with another guy before, I could be mistaken). So, even after our Thanksgiving conversation, he flirts with me when we watch movies as a group. This last Monday, one of our mutual friends brings up how we made out with each other in August. I kept my mouth quiet, and Brad starts talking. He says, "It was mutual", then got really embarassed and put his hands to his face and said that he was going to shut up and not say anymore because he was embarassed.

How does "mutual" = "just for a bet"? I didn't say this earlier, but also immediately after it happened [us making out], Brad said that when we kissed that "it was bound it happen, it was just a matter of when". He also said that it would probably be a blowjob next.

In addition to that, there was a discussion about the movie we watched, "Chasing Amy". There were like 5 girls in the room, Brad and I. The girls were talking about gifts, and that gifts that take time and effort to create are better then store-bought gifts. I was zoning out, not really talking. I was looking around the room, and I caught Brad staring at me out of the corner of my eye. I made eye contact, and we just stared at each other until he started laughing and put his hands in his face again, and then I dove my head into a pillow and went "augh!" and started laughing.

Also, about a week after he said that we needed to stop spending so much time - and not to care about him - I got off from work at 2:30 AM. He was in the TV lounge, and a little bit before he asked when I was done and told me to come visit him in the study lounge. OK, haven't seen him for a while so I figured it was OK. about an 1.5 hours later, I'm getting tired. I frankly say, "I'm getting tired. I'm going to bed, and have a good night." He looks up at me and asks, "Can you please stay? If I don't have anybody here with me I'll fall asleep and not get to study."

..I thought he wanted me to not care about him so much... he just asked me to care about him and sacrifice some of my sleep and time for him...

Seriously, WTF. This is not normal behavior for your average guy! Considering he's flirted with me like this before since November, and other hints he just gives me... I don't know. I know NOT to read into it, but I cannot help it because it happens with frequency when I'm with him.

Now, I'm not going to say, "I don't know what to do!" because when finals end next week, I'm going to talk to him (bringing on a possibly emotional/harsh conversation about this would not be wise to do right before finals). I just want everyone's advice and thought. I personally think he's facinated yet scared of being with a guy, or that he's just being a wishywashy jackass whose toying with my emotions.
 
I don't think he's toying. I think he's afraid of himself. Young teenage guys are quite weird about this when we're not out.
 
Yeah, I'd talk to him. That's about all you can do. I don't know how much more advice I can give--a lot is going to depend on what gets said between you two when you talk. O2 does bring up a good point though.

My own gut feeling is that he is interested in you (and possibly guys--making him bi). But he's afraid of the idea. I know I was in denial about being gay for a while--thinking that I shouldn't have these thoughts and tried to be "straight". But thankfully it didn't work.

Have the talk. Definitely.
 
Yeah I'm agreeing with themodynamics here. I think your friend is starting to show signs of cracking, that is that he's slowly trying to figure out what the hell is wrong with him and why he's feeling this way about you. He's already tried the stay away from me routine and look what's that got him....he missed you, plain and simple. That comment that you guys kissed and that it's probably going to be to be a blowjob next is not straight guy talk. You need to talk with him like you said, BUT your going to have to be careful with what you say. Fingerscrossed that maybe after final exams he'll just break down and tell you how you how he feels but I don't know. I was kindof in the same situation during my college years with my best friend....what you say you guys have done we did too. We had the talk years later after college when I figured out that enough was enough. I was tired of having to act one way around him when we were out as friends or co-workers etc. He didn't take it well and is now getting married to the girl that he was dating that made us have the chat. So good luck to you man, remember take it slow...the guy could be coming to terms with himself.
 
I dunno either...sometimes its really good to have a friend you know will be there and take care of things for you but that you dont want to sleep with...kinda like a fag hag...maybe this guy wants to be your stag hag. But he might also really like you and be afriad of being gay. I know that until Iwas about 25 I wanted to get married and have kids...but then my grandparents died and it was like, "hello! you dont like girls or kids!!" so there may be outside pressures which have not revealed themselves to him that hold him back from what he wants. I would say hang in there as well...if someting better comes along don't pass it up though...
 
Men who play games are such a bore.

go find yourself someone who doesn't drop hints.
 
Easier said then done; I live in midwestern Wisconsin, and every guy in my local vincinity that happens to be gay also happens to be a manwhore, or fit to every single stereotype.

(We have a small gay community, so it is easy to generalize since I've participated in our local organizations in the community, and frankly yeah.)

I'll post some more later, I am in class right now and I should pay attention! :P
 
Let's look at this logically from your point of view.

You're Gay, you're out, and you've pretty much dealt with all of the things that go with that.

If I had to guess, based upon what you've shared, I would have to say that he's at best "straight-curious."

I had a coworker who later became one of my closest friends. It didn't help that he was also extremely good looking, and that he had a fun and outgoing personality.

Unlike you, I'm usually thick as a brick whenever someone is coming onto me, or hinting at me about stuff. My attitude is, if you want something from me, then speak up! :D

He finally spoke up, and pointed out all of the times that he was dropping hints. I was like WOW! He had been trying to get my attention for a long time!

We discussed what it would mean if we slept with each, and discussed what might happened if he turned out to like it. We both put our cards on the table, and started making out.

Making out turned into one of the wildest nights of sex that I had ever had.

The next day I was afraid that things might be really weird, so I asked him about it. He said that he loved and wanted to know when we could go at it again. :D

For the next several months we were "secret boyfriends." Eventually he didn't care who knew because he found that he was in love with me, and I fell for him.

Then one day his parents found out from a jealous ex-girlfriend, and as soon as they knew he began to change back into this closested straight guy.

It wasn't fun, and eventually I was the one who was having to keep our love a secret. He started telling everyone behind my back that he "was just experimenting."

Eventually he disappeared all together, and told a close mutual of friend of ours the he couldn't talk to me about it, and the he "just wasn't ready to be gay yet."

My point is, even if he's "a little gay" he still won't be anywhere near where you are with your sexuality.

Nobody likes to get hurt, and I don't have any regrets about my relationship with him. However, given the choice, I would have kept the friendship. I can't help but think that he would have too.

You're both young and still trying to find your places in the world.

If Brad was gay I would say go for it, and good luck to the both of you.

But considering what you've shared I say don't risk your friendship.

It could just be that he's never been this close to a guy before, and he's not sure what the boundaries are.

Good Luck, and drop us a line after Finals! (*8*)


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It looks like your friend is not sure what he wants and he is about to break. Be careful when a guy breaks it can be messy. Sometimes he says or does things he doesn't mean to. If you talk to him watch your words carefully so you don't hurt him, or evasberate the situation.

Good Luck

And what Wisconsin University by the way?
 
G'day Answerman,

Congrats on your decision to bring this whole thing out in the open with your friend. Thats a gutsy courageous thing to do and it shows that honesty and openness are really important to you. Self respect and respect for others show through as we mate...be proud of that.

Its really hard to say what your mate is going to say to you when you talk to him...hes certainly giving you the run around emotionally...whether he intends to or not is probably the question.

I'm not sure he's gonna know how to answer and if what he says to you he's gonna mean...and I dont mean that in a bad way. Its just that from what you say he seems like hes only just starting to face whatever is in his head. I cant help but think that he's straight but the time and the contact both physical and emotional, and the closeness of your friendship over these last few months has made him question himself. It would be awful hard to separate the emotional turmoil a kiss from a good mate could bring especially if it was better than he expected.

My concern here is for you. You sound like a guy with huge values of trust and openness, honesty and respect. But you need to prepare for the possibility that you could get used here so your friend can figure himself out. You are confused and maybe a little vulnerable to his advances, which is such a great thing normally, but only if he is truly genuine and wants the same in return from you. Dont let yourself get put in a position where you care deeply for this guy only to find out he was trying before he bought.

If he is in that state of mind then there are plenty of guys out there who would gladly satisfy his itch without any emotional attatchments so he could be sure. Then when hes sure, hes worthy of you giving him more of yourself.

I'm not trying to make this guy out to be a bad ass Answerman...I dont think he is. Confused..maybe. But you dont need to be hurt so he can work out this phase of his life. Support him if thats what he needs for sure...but dont give your heart to someone who you cant be sure wants it. You dont need it broken.
 
I think he is straight.

Two things are happening here. One, you're gay and like gay guys, we read waaayy too deeply into anyting a straight guy does. You have no idea how much I've obsessed over hints only to find out these guys are straight and not interested.

Two, you're gay and probably the only gay friend he has. Look at it from his perspective. He knows how to have guy friends. But I think he is confused about how to be friends with you. He knows you like him and he likes you (but not in that way). So its confusing to him because he likes to be your buddy but he knows its driving you crazy at the same time. So he has tried to back off to spare your feelings. But you're his friend and roommate so he wants to keep hanging around you. But at the same time, he always knows you want it to go further. Its a lot of pressure.

I don't think he is confused about his sexuality. I think he is just confused in how to deal with you!

Let me turn the tables.

I have a co-worker. She is very pretty and personable. I also know she kind of likes me. She's pinched my nipple, slapped my butt, and even put her head on my shoulder once. I'm gay but I don't mind the way she feels about me. In fact, I'll even get a little excited over the thought. As a man, its nice to feel wanted by attractive people, regardless of their gender. Except, I can't give to her what a straight man can. I don't have that attraction for her. I only like the attraction she feels for me.

So even if you can get him hard and even blow him; you can't win him over. He is straight. And he knows he can't give to you what a normal gay man could. And it hurts him and makes him say "lets back off" but at the same time, he enjoys your friendship and company.

But you're a gay guy who is obsessed over his straight guy. I can relate to this so I know you aren't going to stop your feelings for him. *sigh* I can only see this ending in sadness. You're going to force him to break your heart and friendship.
 
Based on what you wrote, I think he could be gay (or bi), but really don't know. He may be struggling with being gay or people have made comments about him spending so much time with a gay guy. Either could explain spending less time with you. I wouldn't read a thing into the blow job comment. My straight friends and I have often made comments like that and I have no doubt that they are totally straight. The two comments that captured my attention are in regards to the kiss, it was bound to happen and it was mutual. Those are not things that a straight guy would normally say.

How did he initially react when he found out you were gay? Did he seem intrigued with it? That would be an indication to me that he might be gay.

Do you really want a relationship with someone who has these issues (if he is gay)? I know I'm a lot happier since I stopped messing around with people who have these issues. If the answer is yes, then you should have a talk to him. I would ask him what he meant by the it was bound to happen, it was mutual and a blowjob is next. If he says he was joking, say it sure didn't seem like it. Challenge him on the reason for spending less time together. Is it for you or him? Remember to ask in a non-threatening as possible way. Good luck!
 
To the previous-previous post: That is what I'm told, and what he says. However, I want to reiterate that the friendships I know most men have, they do not blatantly flirt with each other like he does to me. But yes, I do get your point (and have heard that before)

To the previous post: I was working the desk when he found out I was gay, or realized it. So, he purposely got a banana, went to the desk while I was working, got a shit-eating grin on his face, peeled it seductively while staring at me and took a huge bite out of it while I was watching. NOTE: He later told me he did that purposely since he found out I was gay. I didn't read into that at all!!!!
 
To the previous-previous post: That is what I'm told, and what he says. However, I want to reiterate that the friendships I know most men have, they do not blatantly flirt with each other like he does to me. But yes, I do get your point (and have heard that before)

To the previous post: I was working the desk when he found out I was gay, or realized it. So, he purposely got a banana, went to the desk while I was working, got a shit-eating grin on his face, peeled it seductively while staring at me and took a huge bite out of it while I was watching. NOTE: He later told me he did that purposely since he found out I was gay. I didn't read into that at all!!!!

Okay, I have a friend, friend who's 19 years old. When he found out I was gay he started to act gay towards me. I later put two and two together and figured out that the more I reacted to him acting gay...the more he loved it and kept doing it. But as soon as I started to ignore him...he buzzed off. You could try just ignoring him a bit and see if that helps.
 
To the previous-previous post: That is what I'm told, and what he says. However, I want to reiterate that the friendships I know most men have, they do not blatantly flirt with each other like he does to me. But yes, I do get your point (and have heard that before)

To the previous post: I was working the desk when he found out I was gay, or realized it. So, he purposely got a banana, went to the desk while I was working, got a shit-eating grin on his face, peeled it seductively while staring at me and took a huge bite out of it while I was watching. NOTE: He later told me he did that purposely since he found out I was gay. I didn't read into that at all!!!!

Have you been around very many gay guys? Do you know how they behave with some of their girl friends? They make out with girls, pseudo-hump them, tell them the dirtiest jokes, dress up with them, grope them, etc. However, even though they may behave contrary to their sexuality, those gay guys are not going to convert over with their girl friends.

This guy is your buddy and because he knows you're gay, he flirts and teases you because thats what a lot of guys do! Again, you're reading waaaayyy too deeply into everything he does. You're not going to find a closet gay out of this one, no matter how hard you fantasize over the possibility.
 
I have to commend you for giving him a little space when he asked for it. However it seems that this only made him miss the attention you were giving him. Some straight boys are so needy. this seems to be all in fun for him but he's not taking your feelings into account. I say keep things on a friendship level. if you guys play around or even hook up you need to be mature enough to realize that he's really just having fun and experimenting. Play around but guard your heart. A straight boy will only brake it if you let him.
 
Before I forget, I go to UWEC (University Wisconsin - Eau Claire).

Since this is the week before finals, crunch-time. This has caused my sleeping schedule to flip around entirely... such as, the last two days I've gotten the bulk of my sleep between 2-10PM and pulling all-nighters.

So, before work on Thursday night (midnight) I decide to wake up and visit my friends before starting my shift. I stopped by Brad's room to say hi. He was doing fine, the usual - and said that he'd be studying all night. I offered to study with him, since I just woke up from sleeping for 8 hours. He said he wasn't sure where he'd be studying, but that he appreciated the offer.

I finish work at 3AM, and find him in the TV lounge studying. I join him. Basically, he studies until he wants to sleep, then I act as his alarm clock during the time and wake up him when he asked (I am doing homework at this time, please be aware!)

I actually did indeed finish my project I was working on while acting as a clock. During the course of this time, a girl stops by and visits him... so, he flirts with her horribly. It was brought up during this flirt session (it was the three of us, but I was at another table but still part of the conversation) that he's whipped me, that "he has never lead me on before" and that "he's not sexually attracted to me".

(stuff I've all heard before, just brining it up).

The girl leaves, and he studies more... sleeps more, until 7AM. He finishes studying and asks me to go eat with him at the cafeteria, and I agree. During this time, he's just talking and thanks me multiple times for staying up (e.g. means a lot).... I'm just like, "Yeah, I'm your friend... I'd do it for anyone... not a big deal. See you at breakfast." And I just leave.

So, at breakfast we're just eating... small talk. Out of left-field, he just randomly says, "You know, your presence is either really irritating or extremely necessary". Yeah... how to downplay that. I said I don't know how to handle that comment, especially after studying for how long and that he had no sleep, and to discuss it later.

I guess I know where his comments come from (e.g. the flirting in question)... that he is either extremely cold when it comes to my presence or extremely hot. No neutral medium.... well, he brought up the topic, so I guess we're having a conversation sometime soon. Quite frankly, what he said pissed me off... I could chalk it up to being tired, but when it comes to serious subjects he doesn't typically screw around.
 
I don't know man, sounds like he's playing you like a fine violin. I be able to give better advice after you tell us about the conversation that you guys are going to have! :)
 
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