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Cordoba Mosque at 9/11 Ground Zero

JonesHere said:
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Good point, but there's plenty of huge $ among Muslims, including those in nations considered US allies. It shouldn't be hard to find the funding.
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Fair enough. Lord knows the House of Saud isn't in danger of going broke any time soon. He should be able to raise money from people who aren't our enemies, and we should be able to verify that. Beyond that concern, I agree with what you've said in this thread.
 
Where the money is coming from?

If from outside, just take the money to help the poor.
 
"That mosque is a monument to their victory."


I like to consider myself as accepting to diversity. But it does appear to be possibly another attack, not of violence but of humility. Outside the mosque, Americans will be patting themselves on the back for being tolerant. While inside, there may be others laughing at us.

NYC is having trouble enough just constructing the Freedom Tower (One World Trade Center) there. But a mosque? No problem. Perhaps next the White House will be converted into a mosque. Or mosques should be constructed at the Pentagon and in Shanksville, PA at the crash site of flight 93. Why not? If we say "no" then we are "racists", yes?
 
Hey Spiffy.

Lissen up.

The Freedom Fries Tower is first and foremost a business proposition, not a national monument.

There would be no way to fill and pay for these towers. the private developer that is responsible for rebuilding these towers is acutely aware of the impact that technology, security and the economy generally have on the demand for office space these days.

And you know what?

The world will applaud the Americans for being tolerant if there is a mosque at Ground Zero.

And not behaving like just some good ole boys wanting revenge.

Just like they did after the Second World War, when the US and other western nations forgave the axis nations.

I'm sure, though, that for Faux viewers, this will just be one more outrage to add to the never ending list.
 
rareboy said:
The Freedom Fries Tower . .

The world will applaud the Americans for being tolerant if there is a mosque at Ground Zero.
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Nice. While people like you may be applauding Americans for their "tolerance", at the same time you ridicule anything that represents American heritage.
 
Spiff said:
Nice. While people like you may be applauding Americans for their "tolerance", at the same time you ridicule anything that represents American heritage.
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American Heritage?

"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting 'Jesus Christ,' so that it would read 'A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;' the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
 
MercuryJones said:
American Heritage?

"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting 'Jesus Christ,' so that it would read 'A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;' the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
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You are attempting to generalize things and make it sound that I am against having mosques anywhere in our country. You can fabricate whatever you wish, but its not true. I'm only talking about the sensitive area known as Ground Zero.
 
Its easy to blame someones religion when you dont share it, however, the people of this church are being insensitive.

Yes there is freedom of religion, but there is also freedom of speech, and there are still things you cannot say.

Therefore, there should be some consideration on the part of this church to not build it near this site.

Imagine if the crypts or bloods were religion, all of a sudden gangsters across America would be clamoring religious intolerance if we said "we dont want your church in our neighborhood".

Also, if any religion decides to deviate from discrimination laws, they should be labeled a business like the boy scouts and lose their tax exemptions.
 
Spiff said:
You are attempting to generalize things and make it sound that I am against having mosques anywhere in our country. You can fabricate whatever you wish, but its not true. I'm only talking about the sensitive area known as Ground Zero.
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Spiff, the surrounding area is private property. People are free to purchase and build there.

What on earth could you have in mind to prevent it? Outlawing mosques in the neighborhood?

I'm serious in asking you.
 
MercuryJones said:
Spiff, the surrounding area is private property. People are free to purchase and build there.

What on earth could you have in mind to prevent it? Outlawing mosques in the neighborhood?

I'm serious in asking you.
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Honestly I do not have a solution in how to prevent it. I simply posted in this thread only because I think it is insensitive and inappropriate, regardless if it is legal or not.

But cities do re-zoning all the time. Technically, a city can outlaw any type of establishment in any type of area. Of course zoning laws often piss people off. But they are laws established in our country. I am NOT saying that is what NYC ought to do in this case; merely just pointing out that the city is not as powerless as you indicate.
 
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If NYC decided to rezone to prevent a mosque from being built it could expect a solid, and well deserved, religious discrimination lawsuit. I'd re-up my ACLU membership to support the suit.

It's just a mosque in a densely packed, religiously diverse area. There's no legitimate reason to block it - or any other place of worship that is privately funded.
 
The interesting thing about this discussion is that without access to discussions by the people building the mosque, we'll never know till later whether allowing it is a matter of tolerance or on the order of Chamberlain and his "Peace in our time".
 
Kulindahr said:
we'll never know till later whether allowing it is a matter of tolerance or on the order of Chamberlain and his "Peace in our time".
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Do you think equating appeasement of a foreign government with simply allowing the religious freedom our Constitution has always guaranteed might be a stretch?
 
strange

the terrorists still control our choices and behavior. I knew a Muslim man very well. One of my best friends. He was a very peaceful person.

this kerfluffle shows that all these years later those 19 suicidal maniacs still decide what building do and don't stand in NYC.

I don't get it.
 
Well I think it is clear to me that terrorists will try to infiltrate mosques in an effort to bend adherents to their twisted plans.

I think mosques are entitled to protection from such infiltration. And I think the government should be forthcoming with that protection.

But since a person could build a strip club there, I don't see what the fuss is.
 
bankside said:
But since a person could build a strip club there, I don't see what the fuss is.
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To my knowledge there has been no stripper terrorist cell that is responsible for bringing down one of the U.S.'s most iconic landmarks.
 
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