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Covers that were better than the original

Carpenters, Please Mr Postman.

The only song to hit #1 for 3 different artists on the billboard hot 100. From what I know the Carpenters version lasted two weeks, while the others 1. The single sold more copies for carpenters then the other versions (I have like 5 copies on 45, I see it all the time at stores.)



:rotflmao:

That is the sort of sunhine apple-pie American drivel that drives mad so many Americans, and makes them ashamed of their citizenship... and also somehow, somewhat comfort those of us who didn't receive the blessing of the truly meaningful part, not culture-related of that citizenship.


That tune definitely makes more sense in the style of the era that gave birth to it:


At that voice is, at least, art in itself... it's like when Julie Andrews would artfully sing that trash that made her a legend of musical pop culture.
 
I prefer the original's tone and harmonization, but the cover is a better pop product (flashier, more drama-lama), and the tune is, ultimately, pop:

 


:rotflmao:

That is the sort of sunhine apple-pie American drivel that drives mad so many Americans, and makes them ashamed of their citizenship... and also somehow, somewhat comfort those of us who didn't receive the blessing of the truly meaningful part, not culture-related of that citizenship.


That tune definitely makes more sense in the style of the era that gave birth to it:


At that voice is, at least, art in itself... it's like when Julie Andrews would artfully sing that trash that made her a legend of musical pop culture.

I like all 3 versions. I have the 45 to the beatles version. I dont think Americans are ashamed because of the Carpenters. I know this info because they are my favorite artist. Richard is one of history’s most talented musicians and he didnt need to sing.

They are also the best selling “American born” music act of the entire 1970s. My mother told me if you were a fan you got made fun of back then. Yet everyone still bought their shit in secret.

Marvelettes version is obviously a classic. But the 3 are different in their own way. When I hear postman on oldies stations, I mainly hear the carpenters 1975 release 95% of the time. This is modern day.

Different strokes for different folks.
 
I prefer the original's tone and harmonization, but the cover is a better pop product (flashier, more drama-lama), and the tune is, ultimately, pop:


I have the 45! I play it alot. I prefer his over Mariah’s.
 
I like all 3 versions. I have the 45 to the beatles version. I dont think Americans are ashamed because of the Carpenters.

I was referring to those Americans who happen to be American too, and hate The Carpenters' ... style, just like so many people hate any other popular, best-selling artist: you know, even if the millions of records they have sold were actually as many as the people having bought them, that still would not make them a majority of the American people... at any given point in history.
It would be interesting to ascertain how many people keep listening to, reading, what they bought or, that's my point, what was given to them: who knows what becomes of books and records after they have been sold :cool: :mrgreen: :rolleyes:

BTW, I wasn't referring to the Disney setting, because I hadn't even actually noticed it: I was too drowned by the sunshiny Disney-sound of the cover \:/ :rolleyes: :mrgreen:
 
I was referring to those Americans who happen to be American too, and hate The Carpenters' ... style, just like so many people hate any other popular, best-selling artist: you know, even if the millions of records they have sold were actually as many as the people having bought them, that still would not make them a majority of the American people... at any given point in history.
It would be interesting to ascertain how many people keep listening to, reading, what they bought or, that's my point, what was given to them: who knows what becomes of books and records after they have been sold :cool: :mrgreen: :rolleyes:

BTW, I wasn't referring to the Disney setting, because I hadn't even actually noticed it: I was too drowned by the sunshiny Disney-sound of the cover \:/ :rolleyes: :mrgreen:

Yeah I know what you mean. Rap and hip hop were huge when I was in high school. Did NOTHING for me. So I’m the mid 2000s I went into discovering older artists that actually used analogue instruments. A lot of people said rude things about rap. Even racist things. I personally just felt it did nothing, but I saw the talent it took such as being a “decent” poet.

I’ve met only 3 people who said they hate Carpenters, you being 3. That’s ok I’ve met people who “hate” Beatles, Beach Boys, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, ect. Also major artists.

Lol and about that music video. I’ve seen them all as I own the music video collection on Beta, VHS, and DVD. Their best music video is “Only Yesterday.” I like Carpenters because of the fact that one sibling could produce his own music, write, compose, conduct, all on his own. His sister had a voice that nobody in history has been able to replicate. Notice how she always emphasizes on vowels. Her voice has that iconic crisp that most don’t have. Same can be said for Whitney Houston. As people they were classy. They didn’t try to use sex appeal, start any fads, or copy other styles. Richard transformed a TV commercial and created a multi platinum single.

Btw their albums have held fine. They just got a new vinyl box set. I just bough another first edition cover to their debut album for $1300. I own 4 copies. The 8 track was $500. Prices like that indicate that their music has aged very very well. I’ve met kids who like certain songs and I’m shocked that they even know them.

Btw I’m a 60s and 70s boy. I love my easy listening and soft rock. I melt when listening to classic disco. Die hard fan of Donna Summer.
 
Yeah I know what you mean. Rap and hip hop were huge when I was in high school. Did NOTHING for me. So I’m the mid 2000s I went into discovering older artists that actually used analogue instruments. A lot of people said rude things about rap. Even racist things. I personally just felt it did nothing, but I saw the talent it took such as being a “decent” poet.

I’ve met only 3 people who said they hate Carpenters, you being 3. That’s ok I’ve met people who “hate” Beatles, Beach Boys, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, ect. Also major artists.

Lol and about that music video. I’ve seen them all as I own the music video collection on Beta, VHS, and DVD. Their best music video is “Only Yesterday.” I like Carpenters because of the fact that one sibling could produce his own music, write, compose, conduct, all on his own. His sister had a voice that nobody in history has been able to replicate. Notice how she always emphasizes on vowels. Her voice has that iconic crisp that most don’t have. Same can be said for Whitney Houston. As people they were classy. They didn’t try to use sex appeal, start any fads, or copy other styles. Richard transformed a TV commercial and created a multi platinum single.

Btw their albums have held fine. They just got a new vinyl box set. I just bough another first edition cover to their debut album for $1300. I own 4 copies. The 8 track was $500. Prices like that indicate that their music has aged very very well. I’ve met kids who like certain songs and I’m shocked that they even know them.

Btw I’m a 60s and 70s boy. I love my easy listening and soft rock. I melt when listening to classic disco. Die hard fan of Donna Summer.

I don't hate them, I hate the overrated esteem they enjoy. The pop musicians I can respect are those whose performing talent raise them above the pap they deliver, for example, that Whitney Houston, or Barbra Streisand, so you can infer my feelings about The Beatles' purported "Mozartian" qualities :rotflmao: :roll: Michael Jackson stays rather in-between, being more of the Whitney-Barbra sort to me... as for The Beach Boys... I could hate them if I took them seriously, musically, as an icon, or any way you please: they are just a joke. In Madonna, at least, one can appreciate her professional entertainer's savviness, but you can hate people who are as mindless as their tunes, and vice versa.
 
Lol and about that music video. I’ve seen them all as I own the music video collection on Beta, VHS, and DVD. Their best music video is “Only Yesterday.” I like Carpenters because of the fact that one sibling could produce his own music, write, compose, conduct, all on his own. His sister had a voice that nobody in history has been able to replicate. Notice how she always emphasizes on vowels. Her voice has that iconic crisp that most don’t have. Same can be said for Whitney Houston. As people they were classy. They didn’t try to use sex appeal, start any fads, or copy other styles. Richard transformed a TV commercial and created a multi platinum single.

Btw their albums have held fine. They just got a new vinyl box set. I just bough another first edition cover to their debut album for $1300. I own 4 copies. The 8 track was $500. Prices like that indicate that their music has aged very very well. I’ve met kids who like certain songs and I’m shocked that they even know them.

Btw I’m a 60s and 70s boy. I love my easy listening and soft rock. I melt when listening to classic disco. Die hard fan of Donna Summer.

Well, aside from the strictly musical, but still also concerning their musical career, you could also appreciate how his managing bossiness destroyed her sister's life: the physical, the mental and even the musical.
As for Karen's voice and vocality, that's "old style" singing: singing based on the distinct qualities of the voice and the its musical delivery, back when the music shaped into a product, and not the other way round. You discover and praise in Karen what you can found in dozens of other renowned, though not always so best-selling performers.

Finally, you should be well reminded that it's not The Carpenters' music that is sold at hundreds or thousands of dollars, but certain particular items being a specific support of it: the same sound, production, vowel emphasis, etc. abstracted from the original support and translated, with the exact same engineered qualities, to a different one, would have no value: it's the fetishist, affective value attached to it, the purchasing power and will to acquire it, and the market that profits from that situation, what produces such prices and, precisely, not because they have aged well, but because they have not aged at all, but not "in themselves": it's because the era that produced that "music" hasn't ended yet... it's because society, that is, the old farts with the power to retrieve their youth in a purchase, has not aged at all or, better said, is still alive and wealthy enough, and that alone is what makes that music seem "young". It's irrelevant whether the actual buyer is a younger person who admires The Carpenters': it's the generation that has kept them "fresh" for over forty years that still makes them be, literally, priced so high. As it has happened with books or other items, that could still keep going and remain "fresh" for decades, or even centuries... or die and become dust in a couple of generations.
 

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This one is debatable on whether the cover is better than the original. I like them both.


 
Thank you for posting this.

It happens to be one of my favourites, those boys certainly know how to play.

It reminded me of their cover of Thunderstruck.

 
Well, aside from the strictly musical, but still also concerning their musical career, you could also appreciate how his managing bossiness destroyed her sister's life: the physical, the mental and even the musical.
As for Karen's voice and vocality, that's "old style" singing: singing based on the distinct qualities of the voice and the its musical delivery, back when the music shaped into a product, and not the other way round. You discover and praise in Karen what you can found in dozens of other renowned, though not always so best-selling performers.

Finally, you should be well reminded that it's not The Carpenters' music that is sold at hundreds or thousands of dollars, but certain particular items being a specific support of it: the same sound, production, vowel emphasis, etc. abstracted from the original support and translated, with the exact same engineered qualities, to a different one, would have no value: it's the fetishist, affective value attached to it, the purchasing power and will to acquire it, and the market that profits from that situation, what produces such prices and, precisely, not because they have aged well, but because they have not aged at all, but not "in themselves": it's because the era that produced that "music" hasn't ended yet... it's because society, that is, the old farts with the power to retrieve their youth in a purchase, has not aged at all or, better said, is still alive and wealthy enough, and that alone is what makes that music seem "young". It's irrelevant whether the actual buyer is a younger person who admires The Carpenters': it's the generation that has kept them "fresh" for over forty years that still makes them be, literally, priced so high. As it has happened with books or other items, that could still keep going and remain "fresh" for decades, or even centuries... or die and become dust in a couple of generations.

I don’t know what to say. The main Carpenters forum has people younger then me. A lot of teens as well. I think you’re trying to make a case as if they are a terrible artist. I’ve met Richard Carpenter, he gave me a funeral pamphlet from Karen’s funeral. He tried getting her help awhile ago. You’re entitled to your opinion. You don’t like them I get it. But you don’t have to make a case as to why they aren’t significant. They’re among the top 3 best selling artists in Japan. That doesn’t matter to you though. You’ll make some comment about the Japanese or how they don’t matter. You already said Americans were dumb for bringing their total record sales to 100 million still counting.

Seriously who does that? That’s the type of thinking I had in high school. There are artists that have sold millions which I don’t mind much appeal. I don’t think it’s terrible.

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Whitney Houston

I will Always Love you

I love Dolly Parton but Whitney doesn’t just take the cake, she takes the entire bakery.
 
^ two different songs. Dolly's has soul that Whitney's doesn't. To me, Dolly's tells a story, Whitney just sings it. Really well, but her soul isn't in it like in Dolly's version. If you understand what I mean.
 
I don’t know what to say. The main Carpenters forum has people younger then me. A lot of teens as well. I think you’re trying to make a case as if they are a terrible artist. I’ve met Richard Carpenter, he gave me a funeral pamphlet from Karen’s funeral. He tried getting her help awhile ago. You’re entitled to your opinion. You don’t like them I get it. But you don’t have to make a case as to why they aren’t significant. They’re among the top 3 best selling artists in Japan. That doesn’t matter to you though. You’ll make some comment about the Japanese or how they don’t matter. You already said Americans were dumb for bringing their total record sales to 100 million still counting.

Seriously who does that? That’s the type of thinking I had in high school. There are artists that have sold millions which I don’t mind much appeal. I don’t think it’s terrible.

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You don't get that I have no problem with them, I do like them; my problem is the same problem I have in that sort of situation: my "problem" is with the people who adore them. It's a logic that applies to everything up to a case like Trump being a POTUS: my problem is not with his fundamental nothingness, but with the people that allowed him to be on top of things, just like with people who make The Carpenters great artists, or Kanye West an all time "legitimate" best-selling singer, as if he had more artistic talent than his wife.
I didn't say of imply anything about people being "dumb": "clueless", "lost", is not the same as "dumb" or "idiotic". As for being very popular in Japan, I do not need to come up with anything: the English language as an expression for that already.
 
^ two different songs. Dolly's has soul that Whitney's doesn't. To me, Dolly's tells a story, Whitney just sings it. Really well, but her soul isn't in it like in Dolly's version. If you understand what I mean.

Ah, the Callas-or-Caballé dilemma.
 
^ two different songs. Dolly's has soul that Whitney's doesn't. To me, Dolly's tells a story, Whitney just sings it. Really well, but her soul isn't in it like in Dolly's version. If you understand what I mean.

Whatever Parton adds, it doesn't derive from the purely musical. Dolly is a great singer, Whitney is greatness itself shaped as singing. It seems that what you don't like about Whitney's version is that there is too much music in her bare singing, just like Wagner hated Mozart because there is too much music in his operas: you take for granted the musicality, and retain whatever is closer to the "emotion" without the "frills" of musical art. Very befitting a redneck sensibility :cool: very blanket-curtains sort of aesthetic sensibility :mrgreen:

Ignoring the crappy 1984-1995 musical frills:


 
^ two different songs. Dolly's has soul that Whitney's doesn't. To me, Dolly's tells a story, Whitney just sings it. Really well, but her soul isn't in it like in Dolly's version. If you understand what I mean.

I totally understand! Sometimes there are remakes that sound almost like different songs.

Beatles Ticket to ride was a pop rock, Carpenters Ticket To Ride (My avatar and favorite album of all time) the single was a melodic ballad.

DonMcleans American Pie was a blend of folk country and rock. Madonnas American Pie was a disco song.
 
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