Cute & smart Fox News contributor comes out as gay

[ChickenGuy]

When a political, party has STATED that it intends to deny you equality if it gets it's way, anyone voting to give them power is participating.

Period.

Bullshit.

You're conflating the whole thing, which is exactly what I said was being done. That is not to say there aren't many like that in the U.S. but for you to say with apparent 100% certainty that ALL candidates/party members are lockstep with this view is a generalisation. Also, for you to say with 100% certainty that gay rights are going to be reversed when a Republican gets into power is AGAIN scaremongering and innaccurate.

You force me to defend a party I don't agree with, but I'm SOOOO fed up of blanket ideological generalisations based on nothing but political groupthink.

I admit there is a lot of pandering to their base, and a lot of rhetoric, and I disagree with it, but I'm not about to start on an exaggeration of the facts.

I'll make a deal with you TX-Beau - let us assume a Republican President gets a two-term run in office. At the end of it, in 8 years time, do you think that gay rights will be in terminal decline? Will 2015 have been the high water mark? Will states across the country have rescinded their laws and America have returned back to the 1950s?

You frankly know as well as I do that it's mostly an illusion, and that gay rights continue to proceed, as society changes, regardless of political party. There is NOT some profound change in the U.S. when the party in power changes, it is always the same in America actually. Democrats and Republicans are WAY more similar than you think.

All that statements like yours highlight is the polarisation, hysteria, and mania that the U.S. two-party system has created. A political 'debate' which is a facade and is based on scaremongering, fear, and illusions.

 

[Vitamin]

ChickenGuy, I think you might be confused. Guy Benson is not a politician, or even a canadidate for political office. He's a pundit, a guy with opinions, and nothing more. He has little to zero influence on the Republican Party, and there's no sign the GOP is changing their tune on gay rights anytime soon.

The Republican Party in 2015 is anti-gay rights. There's no way to dispute that. It is what it is.

 

[TX-Beau]

Bullshit.

You're conflating the whole thing, which is exactly what I said was being done. That is not to say there aren't many like that in the U.S. but for you to say with apparent 100% certainty that ALL candidates/party members are lockstep with this view is a generalisation. Also, for you to say with 100% certainty that gay rights are going to be reversed when a Republican gets into power is AGAIN scaremongering and innaccurate.

You force me to defend a party I don't agree with, but I'm SOOOO fed up of blanket ideological generalisations based on nothing but political groupthink.

I admit there is a lot of pandering to their base, and a lot of rhetoric, and I disagree with it, but I'm not about to start on an exaggeration of the facts.

I'll make a deal with you TX-Beau - let us assume a Republican President gets a two-term run in office. At the end of it, in 8 years time, do you think that gay rights will be in terminal decline? Will 2015 have been the high water mark? Will states across the country have rescinded their laws and America have returned back to the 1950s?

You frankly know as well as I do that it's mostly an illusion, and that gay rights continue to proceed, as society changes, regardless of political party. There is NOT some profound change in the U.S. when the party in power changes, it is always the same in America actually. Democrats and Republicans are WAY more similar than you think.

All that statements like yours highlight is the polarisation, hysteria, and mania that the U.S. two-party system has created. A political 'debate' which is a facade and is based on scaremongering, fear, and illusions.

Bullshit you know nothing about which you are speaking, I'm not "forcing" you to do anything, I'm just pointing out you are talking out your ass.

 

[TX-Beau]

I'll make a deal with you TX-Beau - let us assume a Republican President gets a two-term run in office. At the end of it, in 8 years time, do you think that gay rights will be in terminal decline? Will 2015 have been the high water mark? Will states across the country have rescinded their laws and America have returned back to the 1950s?

LOL, you don't even listen to these people do you. The reason we don't live in the 1950's is because most of America ISN'T Republican.

 

[kallipolis]

I can tell you Jay Queer boy that I was fortunate enough to be in a long term relationship that resulted in the death of my partner and we owned real estate. Had his family had money they would have fought the legal binding contracts as not legal and the right to his estate, the real estate market was prime then. Often when this has happened the gay partner loses in court. This is not the case where law is clear with hetro married couples. We paid taxes like everyone else though most real estate taxes go to schools, I have no problem with that tax burden even though I will never be a Parent. It is right and the focus on the future.

Well noted...a noteworthy lesson...thank you.

 

[kallipolis]

All that statements like yours highlight is the polarisation, hysteria, and mania that the U.S. two-party system has created. A political 'debate' which is a facade and is based on scaremongering, fear, and illusions.

Cultural differences are relevant here for the United Kingdom, and Europe overall have a much more progressive understanding on human rights that are unlikely to be reversed with a change of government....whereas, I agree with the opinions of the regulars here..all American...that social, and political polarisation in the United States..evidencing two very different mindsets within one nation....that with a change of the administration could lead to the reversal of human rights that we in the nations of the European Union take for granted....

 

[rareboy]

Well JQueer has managed to top himself with some of the stupidest opinions on homo rights that he's ever written.

To even be able to write on this board that homos have the same rights as everyone else in the US demonstrates either an unfathomable capacity for self-imposed ignorance, or such a staggering level of cynical mendacity that it beggars belief.

 

[chrisrobin]

Well noted...a noteworthy lesson...thank you.

I can tell you Jay Queer boy that I was fortunate enough to be in a long term relationship that resulted in the death of my partner and we owned real estate. Had his family had money they would have fought the legal binding contracts as not legal and the right to his estate, the real estate market was prime then. Often when this has happened the gay partner loses in court. This is not the case where law is clear with hetro married couples. We paid taxes like everyone else though most real estate taxes go to schools, I have no problem with that tax burden even though I will never be a Parent. It is right and the focus on the future.

Reminds of the movie Bridegroom, where the actions of the decedent's parents were much worse. Not only were all couple's possessions confiscated, but the threat was made to call the police if survivor would have attended his late partner's funeral. JayQueer...wake up and smell the hemlock.

 

[JayQueer]

Reminds of the movie Bridegroom, where the actions of the decedent's parents were much worse. Not only were all couple's possessions confiscated, but the threat was made to call the police if survivor would have attended his late partner's funeral. JayQueer...wake up and smell the hemlock.

Exactly. Two white twinks meet in California, fall in love and move in together for 6 years but didn't get a civil union, domestic partnership, or get married -- all of which were available to them under CA law. Then when one of them died in an accident, the homophobic parents of the deceased took away their possessions and refused to allow the partner at the funeral. I know about the story.

This only adds to my argument......if they had chosen to GET a domestic partnership or gay marriage (which were already legal in CA), the homophobic parents COULDN'T have done what they did. If they chose not to avail themselves of their legal options, as sad as what happened, it is their fault.

Their story is sad NOT because gay marriage/domestic partnerships weren't legal in CA (because they were), but because they didn't exercise their legal options.

It's no different than if a man and a woman shack up as boyfriend & girlfriend for years but never get married. If one of them died, the law would treat them as roommates, not as a married couple.

But even if the gay couple lived in Texas (or somewhere without gay marriage as an option), they could have still protected their assets, property, right to make decisions on each others behalf IF they went to a lawyer and drew up all the paperwork.

(P.S. You know as well as anyone else that movie would have never been made if the story was about two gay fat hairy men of color. Two cute Abercrombie & Fitch looking twinks..............Tribeca & Sundance here we come!)

 

[JayQueer]

Okay, so my last post may have come off a little mean, I do not intend to be insensitive to their tragic loss. What the surviving spouse went through was very sad & difficult. For the record, I do support gay marriage.

But this knee-jerk, automatic, hatred of gay conservatives needs to stop. We are your gay brothers & sisters, even if we don't see eye to eye on political issues.

 

[TX-Beau]

Okay, so my last post may have come off a little mean, I do not intend to be insensitive to their tragic loss. What the surviving spouse went through was very sad & difficult. For the record, I do support gay marriage.

But this knee-jerk, automatic, hatred of gay conservatives needs to stop. We are your gay brothers & sisters, even if we don't see eye to eye on political issues.

When you stop stabbing the rest of us in the back you'll get some love. You can be a "conservative," I don't care, if you VOTE to give power to people who think we all INCLUDING YOU, are perverted child fuckers who deserve nothing but death, if you GIVE AID to people who think we all INCLUDING YOU, are perverted child fuckers who deserve nothing but death, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

 

[rareboy]

Okay, so my last post may have come off a little mean, I do not intend to be insensitive to their tragic loss. What the surviving spouse went through was very sad & difficult. For the record, I do support gay marriage.

But this knee-jerk, automatic, hatred of gay conservatives needs to stop. We are your gay brothers & sisters, even if we don't see eye to eye on political issues.

This knee jerk, automatic hatred of gay liberals has to stop. When the right wing reactionaries and bible thumpers pack up their hate and give homos the same rights and space to love as they enjoy...then it is more than likely that much of the animosity will cease. As long as they insist that we are unnatural spawn of Satan...then don't expect any love.

And for the record....you said you voted for Prop 8 and have argued in the past that gays always have had the same right to marry as straights. You have no credibility here.

 

[-Kane-]

Most gay white men are closet republicans anyway, so who cares? All of them will be proud and out conservative republicans once the Supreme Court gives them equal protections under the law. There will be no need to continue their fake alliances with democrats and those pesky people of color.

 

[TX-Beau]

Most gay white men are closet republicans anyway, so who cares? All of them will be proud and out conservative republicans once the Supreme Court gives them equal protections under the law. There will be no need to continue their fake alliances with democrats and those pesky people of color.

That's just bullshit.

 

[Vitamin]

Most gay white men are closet republicans anyway, so who cares? All of them will be proud and out conservative republicans once the Supreme Court gives them equal protections under the law. There will be no need to continue their fake alliances with democrats and those pesky people of color.

You do realize JQ is brown, right?

 

[rareboy]

That's just bullshit.

Totally. But it feeds Kane's own narrative about all white people......

 

[-Kane-]

You do realize JQ is brown, right?

What does that snow queen has to do with my statements? JayQueer's brown skin doesn't make my comments any less true.

 

[-Kane-]

That's just bullshit.

Why don't you tell me how my comment is bullshit. Break it down so that a 5yr old can understand. I'll wait.

 

[chrisrobin]

Exactly. Two white twinks meet in California, fall in love and move in together for 6 years but didn't get a civil union, domestic partnership, or get married -- all of which were available to them under CA law. Then when one of them died in an accident, the homophobic parents of the deceased took away their possessions and refused to allow the partner at the funeral. I know about the story.[/QUOTE]

I don't think you do. Did you actually see the film?

This only adds to my argument......if they had chosen to GET a domestic partnership or gay marriage (which were already legal in CA), the homophobic parents COULDN'T have done what they did. If they chose not to avail themselves of their legal options, as sad as what happened, it is their fault.

How judgmental we are! Playing the blame game is a convenient way of substantiating a weak argument.

Their story is sad NOT because gay marriage/domestic partnerships weren't legal in CA (because they were), but because they didn't exercise their legal options.

They would not have had legal protection in Indiana. That's the whole point of having a national equality of marriage ruling.

It's no different than if a man and a woman shack up as boyfriend & girlfriend for years but never get married. If one of them died, the law would treat them as roommates, not as a married couple.

Yes it is. There's a chance the acrimony wouldn't have been so severe. Remember: your hypothetical couple is "normal".

But even if the gay couple lived in Texas (or somewhere without gay marriage as an option), they could have still protected their assets, property, right to make decisions on each others behalf IF they went to a lawyer and drew up all the paperwork.

They would not have had legal protection in Indiana. That's the whole point of having a national equality of marriage ruling. Also, most twenty-year-olds aren't all that preoccupied with their mortality, even though you may be.

(P.S. You know as well as anyone else

I do? You're omniscient too! Maybe a little presumptuous?

...that movie would have never been made if the story was about two gay fat hairy men of color. Two cute Abercrombie & Fitch looking twinks..............Tribeca & Sundance here we come!)

...perhaps by your standards. It seems the use of the term twink doesn't sound too complimentary. Marginalizing?

Even if the gay couple were fat, hairy, ugly, and of color, the decedent wouldn't have been any less dead. Your entire presentation implies that the survivor's parents were justified in their abhorrent behavior toward the survivor. They do not understand the difference between the letter of the law v. the spirit of the law, and neither do you. Their fear and loathing of homosexuals got in the way of their ability to exercise common decency.

CASE IN POINT:
I went to visit someone at my hospital. The "rules and regulations" were only to allow members of the immediate family, which I was not. Patient and I were but acquaintances at best. (I didn't even bring flowers.) The receptionist let me in anyway.

 

[TX-Beau]

Why don't you tell me how my comment is bullshit. Break it down so that a 5yr old can understand. I'll wait.

Your comment is bullshit because it's fucking bullshit. Bigoted, ignorant, prejudiced, that make you absolutely no different than the guy in the white sheet.

Look up those words if you don't understand them, I'll wait.

There is nothing more tedious than a spiteful hypocrite.