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Cute & smart Fox News contributor comes out as gay

Exactly. Two white twinks meet in California, fall in love and move in together for 6 years but didn't get a civil union, domestic partnership, or get married -- all of which were available to them under CA law. Then when one of them died in an accident, the homophobic parents of the deceased took away their possessions and refused to allow the partner at the funeral. I know about the story.

This only adds to my argument......if they had chosen to GET a domestic partnership or gay marriage (which were already legal in CA), the homophobic parents COULDN'T have done what they did. If they chose not to avail themselves of their legal options, as sad as what happened, it is their fault.

Their story is sad NOT because gay marriage/domestic partnerships weren't legal in CA (because they were), but because they didn't exercise their legal options.

It's no different than if a man and a woman shack up as boyfriend & girlfriend for years but never get married. If one of them died, the law would treat them as roommates, not as a married couple.

But even if the gay couple lived in Texas (or somewhere without gay marriage as an option), they could have still protected their assets, property, right to make decisions on each others behalf IF they went to a lawyer and drew up all the paperwork.

(P.S. You know as well as anyone else that movie would have never been made if the story was about two gay fat hairy men of color. Two cute Abercrombie & Fitch looking twinks..............Tribeca & Sundance here we come!)

BTW....it never ceases to amaze me how little Jqueer knows about the country he lives in.

Common-law marriage in the United States can still be contracted in nine states (Alabama, Colorado, Kansas, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Iowa, Montana, Utah and the District of Columbia. New Hampshire recognizes common-law marriage for purposes of probate only, and Utah recognizes common-law marriages only if they have been validated by a court or administrative order.[1] Common-law marriage can no longer be contracted in 27 states, and was never permitted in 13 states. The requirements for a common-law marriage to be validly contracted differ from state to state. Nevertheless, all states—including those that have abolished the contract of common-law marriage within their boundaries—recognize common-law marriages lawfully contracted in those jurisdictions that permit it.[2] Some states that do not recognize common law marriage also afford legal rights to parties to a putative marriage (i.e. in circumstances when someone who was not actually married, e.g. due to a failure to obtain or complete a valid marriage license from the proper jurisdiction, believed in good faith that he or she was married) that arise before a marriage's invalidity is discovered.

While a number of U.S. states recognize either same-sex marriage, or domestic partnerships with the same legal incidents, as marriage, no U.S. state except Iowa and Rhode Island, where the law is untested, currently recognizes same sex common-law marriages. The Federal Defense of Marriage Act permits any state to not recognize same-sex marriages from another state, but the federal government will recognize them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage_in_the_United_States

While common law relationships are not universal in the US....there are a number of jurisdictions where common law relationships are available to heterosexual couples...but not to homos.

In case after case where Jqueer tries to argue that homos have the exact same rights as the heteros....his examples have constantly been demonstrated to prove the opposite case...that the US is riddled with laws that discriminate against homos in state after state.
 
Any LGBT person who belongs to the Republican party as it stands right now is a fool.
Or...they have a death wish.

In California, most Blacks voted for Prop 8. In Baltimore and Prince Georges County (heavily Democrat & Black areas), they voted against gay marriage in Maryland.
The California vote is ancient history. Maryland goes back two and a half years, which is "almost ancient history" as well, considering how the issue has evolved. I'd like to see a study what the black % would be now.

I don't even think THAT is a racial thing, either, but more a function of Christian religion, which is somewhat more prevalent among the black demographic, as well as the old southern white males who often vote against these issues.

I feel that being Republican is actually inherently more likely to produce an antigay mindset, than is being Christian/religious.

Gay people already have the same individual rights and freedoms as everyone else.
This will go down, certainly, as the most naively stupid quote that I will see in all of 2015, and the year isn't even halfway over yet. See what I said in the response to Kane, at the bottom - all of this is entirely true.

To say that ALL members of a political party have the singular goal of reversing rights is a stretch too far into hyperbole, scaremongering, and generalisation,

When a political, party has STATED that it intends to deny you equality if it gets it's way, anyone voting to give them power is participating.
I challenge you, CG, to provide me with a list of Republicans in high political office, in any U. S. state or legislatively sitting in the Capitol in Washington DC, who is supportive of full rights for LGBT people. You CAN'T, can you? Sure, you'll find a few people you can put on that list, IF YOU TRY REALLY HARD, but they'll generally be people that we haven't heard of, such as perhaps a Republican who sits in Raleigh and represents a sector of Winston-Salem or something. You won't find very many people on that list.

On the other hand, you're right...IF by "ALL members of a political party" you're including absolutely every person who has ever joined the Republican Party, even some local individuals from rural Texas or central Pennsylvania who actually happen to believe in the dignity of human beings who happen to be born the way they are innately.

But my observation, otherwise, is that GLBT rights are virtually unanimously opposed, IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, by the PEOPLE WHO HOLD ANY POWER in that Party, and in the 2012 Presidential election year the Republican platform still had viciously anti-gay planks officially part of it.

Most gay white men are closet republicans anyway, so who cares? All of them will be proud and out conservative republicans once the Supreme Court gives them equal protections under the law. There will be no need to continue their fake alliances with democrats and those pesky people of color.
Not true. In many states, just being "out" can or will still get them fired from their jobs, kicked out of their apartments, denied visitation rights to their loved ones (even if on the doorstep of death), etc. I'd change your first word from "Most" to "Some" but, also, race doesn't matter...people of any race (and NOT just men) can have their entire lives destroyed by discrimination or worse just by being Gay-and-Out. This is absolutely race-neutral. A beneficiary of a will or trust, upon the death of a loved one, can summarily have every penny of that inheritance, THOUGH UNEQUIVOCALLY STATED IN A LEGAL DOCUMENT, stolen at the discretion of others. Our "eyes on the prize" need to include the quest for more than just the right to marry. That marriage right alone will do you no good in a state like Oklahoma (where, indeed, the right exists - I think??), while the state is populated by a number of people, even including people in political or appointed offices, who believe you should be killed, or that you're far worse than a terrorist [sez Sally Kern, state Rep.], etc.
 
The Republican Party in 2015 is anti-gay rights. There's no way to dispute that. It is what it is.

Actually it is not the Republican ""Party" that is anti gay...it is the far right constituents that are still very homophobic...and unfortunately the Republican party leadership has to pander to those right wingers to maintain their loyalty. I work in Republican politics and there are a TREMENDOUS amount of gay staffers and Republican political operatives that work openly in high profile roles throughout the party without fear of repercussions. The party leadership is actually very "tolerant" if you will when it comes to gay rights...but they still have to pander to the right wing nut jobs and give them red meat to fire up the base.

I do not identify as a Republican...or a Democrat for that matter...but claiming that anyone has to be either back or white/republican or democratic/liberal or conservative/ with us or against us/ is as stupid as saying that everyone is 100% straight or gay.

Individual critical thinking has been suppressed by partition pandering. America is getting stupider.

I had a discussion the other day with a coworker and asked who was more dangerous? The right wing nut jobs that have a voice and are spewing out all the crap or the American public that is listening to them?..."The person spewing it out, of course" he said. I disagreed. There have always been extremist spewing out propaganda on both sides...the American electorate has become so void of rational critical thinking it is the American population that is becoming more dangerous because they are believing all the propaganda blindly.

Identifying as a Republican does not instantaneously equate to anti gay any more than identifying as gay makes you a drag queen.
 
Actually it is not the Republican ""Party" that is anti gay...it is the far right constituents that are still very homophobic...and unfortunately the Republican party leadership has to pander to those right wingers to maintain their loyalty. I work in Republican politics and there are a TREMENDOUS amount of gay staffers and Republican political operatives that work openly in high profile roles throughout the party without fear of repercussions. The party leadership is actually very "tolerant" if you will when it comes to gay rights...but they still have to pander to the right wing nut jobs and give them red meat to fire up the base.

I do not identify as a Republican...or a Democrat for that matter...but claiming that anyone has to be either back or white/republican or democratic/liberal or conservative/ with us or against us/ is as stupid as saying that everyone is 100% straight or gay.

Individual critical thinking has been suppressed by partition pandering. America is getting stupider.

I had a discussion the other day with a coworker and asked who was more dangerous? The right wing nut jobs that have a voice and are spewing out all the crap or the American public that is listening to them?..."The person spewing it out, of course" he said. I disagreed. There have always been extremist spewing out propaganda on both sides...the American electorate has become so void of rational critical thinking it is the American population that is becoming more dangerous because they are believing all the propaganda blindly.

Identifying as a Republican does not instantaneously equate to anti gay any more than identifying as gay makes you a drag queen.

So, Republican "leadership" aren't homophobes they just play them on TV?

Who is more vile, the bigot who hates you on principle, or the liar who goes along for the ride?

Apologia, table for one.
 
BTW I suppose you can provide us a list of all these tons of openly gay staffers and advisers who make the Republicans so tolerant.

Where might one find that, since they are all so open and all...

LOL
 
Actually it is not the Republican ""Party" that is anti gay...it is the far right constituents that are still very homophobic...and unfortunately the Republican party leadership has to pander to those right wingers to maintain their loyalty. I work in Republican politics and there are a TREMENDOUS amount of gay staffers and Republican political operatives that work openly in high profile roles throughout the party without fear of repercussions. The party leadership is actually very "tolerant" if you will when it comes to gay rights...but they still have to pander to the right wing nut jobs and give them red meat to fire up the base.


I'm sorry but this is nonsense.

You're trying to claim that the Republican Party leadership is tolerant, but only pretends to be bigoted because the idiotic "base" of the party requires them to be jerks.

The fact is, they are still jerks. When you support a position for whatever reason, you take take ownership of that position. You can't claim both viewpoints - that you believe in gay rights but you won't legislate on behalf of gay rights because your party membership "requires" you to be a bigot.

Leadership means guiding people to the positions in which you believe. Leadership is not pretending to be something other than that which you believe in, so that you can deceive people into voting you into power.


I had a discussion the other day with a coworker and asked who was more dangerous? The right wing nut jobs that have a voice and are spewing out all the crap or the American public that is listening to them?..."The person spewing it out, of course" he said. I disagreed. There have always been extremist spewing out propaganda on both sides...the American electorate has become so void of rational critical thinking it is the American population that is becoming more dangerous because they are believing all the propaganda blindly.

Your coworker is correct.

The Republican Party has taken the position that truth is irrelevant. They will construct their own reality to conform to their party ideals, rather than mold their ideals to reality. They will even construct their own science and their own history to this end. The truth be damned, if it contradicts Republican theology (which, curiously, it always does).

"Leaders" have an obligation to lead. Not deceive the public by "spewing out all the crap" and directing people down a garden lane of disinformation. The fact is that there are adverse consequences to the draining of fossil fuels from the earth. There are adverse consequences to eliminating the middle class. There are adverse consequences to denying rights to Americans because some unenlightened religion wants us to hate each other.

The GOP has been front and center at denying the truth of the universe: that global warming does not exist; that the founding fathers really meant to make America a fundamentalist Christian theocracy; that gay people are an abomination unto God. While voters may have an obligation to learn as much as they possibly can about the issues, Republicans have a more binding obligation not to lie to people and deceive them into voting on a dishonest basis.

It is one thing to try to persuade people to your viewpoint. It is quite another to deceive.


Identifying as a Republican does not instantaneously equate to anti gay any more than identifying as gay makes you a drag queen.

Name ONE Republican presidential candidate who supports gay marriage.

There are currently TEN Republican candidates (more or less). 55% of American voters support gay marriage. Surely, it could not be possible that not ONE of these ten candidates would represent the views of a MAJORITY of Americans.

Just not possible.
 
It's also a big joke that the "leaders" in the Republican party don't believe to varying degrees all of that in the first place.

Yes, most of them are homophobes. The lies they tell are to those who aren't the bigots.
 
I can not believe I actually met a peson that watches Fox News That scares me!
 
^http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/fox...ews-ratings-in-2014-msnbc-tumbles-1201386523/

I quote:
In a generally overall down year for the cable news genre, Fox News remained the dominant ratings force in 2014, while CNN made some meaningful demo strides relative to a sagging MSNBC.

Behind the highest-rated programs in cable news — including “The O’Reilly Factor,” which was again top dog among all programs — Fox News finished on top in both total viewers and the adults 25-54 news demo for a 13th straight year, according to Nielsen’s “most current” estimates through Dec. 26.

Fox News was also the only cable newser up in the demo in primetime, as it opened up bigger advantages over the runner-up network in both 25-54 and total viewers.
 
Gay people already have the same individual rights and freedoms as everyone else. As for gay marriage, the jury (the supreme court) is still out on that one (literally). But even social conservatives who oppose gay marriage on religious grounds support the right for gay people (or anyone else) to put together contracts with other individuals to protect their property, power of attorney etc.

And racists welcomed blacks on the bus as long as they sat in the back.

And social conservatives think gays have the same rights as everyone else so long as they stay hidden and shut up and can be persecuted for "religious" reasons.
 
Exactly. Two white twinks meet in California, fall in love and move in together for 6 years but didn't get a civil union, domestic partnership, or get married -- all of which were available to them under CA law. Then when one of them died in an accident, the homophobic parents of the deceased took away their possessions and refused to allow the partner at the funeral. I know about the story.

This only adds to my argument......if they had chosen to GET a domestic partnership or gay marriage (which were already legal in CA), the homophobic parents COULDN'T have done what they did. If they chose not to avail themselves of their legal options, as sad as what happened, it is their fault.

Apparently you don't know the story: for most of those years they couldn't get married; the law didn't allow them to yet. When it did, they planned to get married -- essentially, they were engaged -- but one died first.

Any civilized family would have honored the intent to marry and backed off. The tragedy is that there are such barbarians allowed to masquerade as civilized people in the state of California.
 
Okay, so my last post may have come off a little mean, I do not intend to be insensitive to their tragic loss. What the surviving spouse went through was very sad & difficult. For the record, I do support gay marriage.

But this knee-jerk, automatic, hatred of gay conservatives needs to stop. We are your gay brothers & sisters, even if we don't see eye to eye on political issues.

But if you vote for the GOP, you aren't conservatives, you're reactionaries.

Man up and vote libertarian.
 
Most gay white men are closet republicans anyway, so who cares? All of them will be proud and out conservative republicans once the Supreme Court gives them equal protections under the law. There will be no need to continue their fake alliances with democrats and those pesky people of color.

That's just bullshit.

You shouldn't insult bullshit that way.
 
@jayqueer,

Don't go making calls to brothers and sisters now - blood of the covenant and all that. No one cares that you're family when you're intent on pissing down and claiming it's rain.
 
You're trying to claim that the Republican Party leadership is tolerant, but only pretends to be bigoted because the idiotic "base" of the party requires them to be jerks.

The fact is, they are still jerks. When you support a position for whatever reason, you take take ownership of that position. You can't claim both viewpoints - that you believe in gay rights but you won't legislate on behalf of gay rights because your party membership "requires" you to be a bigot.

Leadership means guiding people to the positions in which you believe. Leadership is not pretending to be something other than that which you believe in, so that you can deceive people into voting you into power.

Leadership in politics in the US these days consists in saying what will bring in the big checks. That's the "election" that determines everything, because it's the one where the candidates unacceptable to the 0.2% are weeded out. And any candidate who will actually shows signs of being able to think on his own fails that "election".

Your coworker is correct.

The Republican Party has taken the position that truth is irrelevant. They will construct their own reality to conform to their party ideals, rather than mold their ideals to reality. They will even construct their own science and their own history to this end. The truth be damned, if it contradicts Republican theology (which, curiously, it always does).

"Leaders" have an obligation to lead. Not deceive the public by "spewing out all the crap" and directing people down a garden lane of disinformation. The fact is that there are adverse consequences to the draining of fossil fuels from the earth. There are adverse consequences to eliminating the middle class. There are adverse consequences to denying rights to Americans because some unenlightened religion wants us to hate each other.

But the GOP God, the almighty Dollar, rules. Dollar is more important than people, more important than the earth.
 
@jayqueer,

Don't go making calls to brothers and sisters now - blood of the covenant and all that. No one cares that you're family when you're intent on pissing down and claiming it's rain.

Pretty much this. It is disingenuous for Jqueer to be claiming some kind of shared bond with other homos. Any homo who voted for Prop 8 and spouts the bullshit that he does about pretty much everything....has no kinship with any emotionally healthy homo that I know. At most he has a shared preference for cock...although even that, based on the mewling nonsense he's posted in CE&P appears to be pathologically perverse.
 
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