DADT repealed!!

[asu1117]

Except World War II wasn't fought for freedom, it was fought for self-preservation. America and the rest of the world turned away Jews for example.

If we want to talk about the AMAZING amount of freedom gays had under democracy, you'll be delighted to note that communist East Germany repealed its anti-homosexual laws before the freedom-loving West Germans did. I'm just 25 but I hear the 1970's and 80's were a fabulous time for gays in the US.

And how well do you think this country would be doing right now without the Military that you hate so much?

I'm sure we would be living a free, happy utopian lifestyle, right?

 

[andy12]

And how well do you think this country would be doing right now without the Military that you hate so much?

I'm sure we would be living a free, happy utopian lifestyle, right?

When and where did I suggest we don't have a military? Feel free to quote me.

 

[asu1117]

When and where did I suggest we don't have a military? Feel free to quote me.

Well you seem to have such hatred for our Military that it seemed like something you would want. So you hate them, but want them to be here? Is that just so that you can have one more thing to trash talk?

 

[andy12]

Well you seem to have such hatred for our Military that it seemed like something you would want. So you hate them, but want them to be here? Is that just so that you can have one more thing to trash talk?

How about a force that doesn't invade other countries and kill a bunch of innocent people there? That would be a massive improvement. You know, something that doesn't do more harm than good.

 

[andy12]

Yeah, well --This is what they're REALLY thinking -- Isn't it GREAT! We're finally wising up on how to eliminate the homo problem. Kill 'em off in the wars!

What will AMAZE me and cause me to CELEBRATE is when the elected reps of the homo-fearing electorate get together and vote for REAL change - gay marriage, benefits to gay partners -- the whole nine yards.

LOL, it took two years to get DADT passed when it benefits the military and 70+% of the population was for it. Gay marriage will have to wait for a few more decades since too many gays have such a servile attitude.

 

[Kyanimal]

I'm still trying to grasp how the repeal of DADT benefits the Military. There have been gay soldiers, both male and female, in Everybody's military (including ours) since their very beginnings. The repeal of DADT does NOT mean there will be more gay soldiers than there ever were. It just means that those who are in our military will no longer have to hide who they truly are!

Perhaps it can be argued that those gay people who thought of joining up, and decided against doing so, because of the prohibitions in place, might have more of a tendency to freely join now. However, I seriously doubt if that is going to make a difference to the Big Picture. And, I also seriously doubt if more gay recruits was the main focus of the Pentagon finally going along with this any way.

I think some of us are reaching for things that simply aren't there ...

Keep smlin'!!
Chaz

 

[andy12]

I'm still trying to grasp how the repeal of DADT benefits the Military. There have been gay soldiers, both male and female, in Everybody's military (including ours) since their very beginnings. The repeal of DADT does NOT mean there will be more gay soldiers than there ever were. It just means that those who are in our military will no longer have to hide who they truly are!

1. Every soldier they dismiss(ed) under DADT costs the military because of wasted training etc. There's many numbers thrown around, I found one for $20,000 per soldier.

2. More gay soldiers will join because the atmosphere is more welcoming ("Be blown up without the discomfort of old generals thinking you're some sissy queer!" ... perhaps a new recruiting slogan.)

Perhaps it can be argued that those gay people who thought of joining up, and decided against doing so, because of the prohibitions in place, might have more of a tendency to freely join now. However, I seriously doubt if that is going to make a difference to the Big Picture. And, I also seriously doubt if more gay recruits was the main focus of the Pentagon finally going along with this any way.

I guess we'll have to wait for the Wikileaks memos. It seems like a campaign move: Obama can cling on to the gay vote in 2012 without pissing too many other people off (70+% wanted it repealed). So he has no balls, he's going for an easy shot, that still got two years to accomplish, in a lame duck session.

And reading the actual text, we find that it doesn't really provide for anything immediate: DADT is still in effect until two months after the whole review/certification.

It explicitly forbids benefits to a same-sex spouse because they're still officially despicable ("don't get too carried away you faggots with this equality thing!")

 

[Apollo]

And to think that this started out as a happy thread
*sighs*

*senses that it will become another 10 page BS thread*

It all went downhill when they fed the troll.

I mean, it's obvious his hatred of the military. And all they are about, as were evident of his first two posts. He tried once, and was ignored, so his second post in this thread, he ramped up his bias thoughts, and struck gold.

If people would simply ignore him and get back on topic, then this thread would be back on track.

 

[Rex]

I'm still trying to grasp how the repeal of DADT benefits the Military. There have been gay soldiers, both male and female, in Everybody's military (including ours) since their very beginnings. The repeal of DADT does NOT mean there will be more gay soldiers than there ever were.

Actually yes, it probably does. More will probably enlist now since they don't have to hide who they are.


And shame on the dumbasses who turned this thread that's supposed to be something positive into something negative (not saying Kyanimal is). This is a big stepping stone in the gay rights movement and if you can't see that then you're a moron.

I can't stand people like andy who bash the military repeatedly. Take your hippie ass to a different country if you have such a problem with the military. Probably wouldn't last one day in basic training.

 

[andy12]

I can't stand people like andy who bash the military repeatedly.

And I can't stand organizations that engage in reckless violence repeatedly. Imagine that.

Take your hippie ass to a different country if you have such a problem with the military.

America is so free, you're "free" to leave if you don't like your taxes used to kill people in your name. What a country!

Probably wouldn't last one day in basic training.

Yes, I suppose those who can't do that apparently have no right to criticize violence. The number of pushups you can do correlates with how seriously we should take your foreign policy ideas. Makes sense.

Incidentally, I used to swim competitively. Swimming 500 yards in 12:30... or even 8:30? Even if that's breaststroke, wow, I really hope that ship don't sink! Let's just say it wouldn't be the least surprising that an average-sized swim team would have a few 13-year-old girls who could do that. Seriously.

Pushups, situps don't look very daunting. I can do 6 minute miles running, haven't tried with boots and pants (why would I?). But hey, 11:30 is good enough. No wonder we can't catch mean ole bin Laden, he simply power walks away.

 

[metta]

Barney Frank completely pwns hapless CNS reporter attempting 'gotcha' DADT question


http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/barney-frank-completely-pwns-hapless

 

[metta]

Asking and Telling

The fight over DADT was always about the normalization of homosexuality.


http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=asking_and_telling



On a side note, for GLBT youth that are thrown out of their homes and forced to live on the street, this might actually be a better alternative for them to consider joining the military.

 

[metta]

President Obama signs historic ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ repeal bill

We celebrate this historic day, when our country has honored the principles of fairness and justice it holds so dearly. This is a tremendous victory. We thank all those who fought for and supported an end to the ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ policy — they truly are on the right side of history. Seventeen years of witch hunts under this policy have cost thousands of exemplary service members their careers, once again proving there are very personal and costly consequences of discrimination. This cannot end fast enough. Our entire country benefits when fairness prevails, when qualified and patriotic service members no longer have to fear being targeted by their own government, when courageous men and women are able to serve openly and honestly. We thank President Obama for signing this critical legislation and now call upon him as commander in chief, and his top military leaders, to swiftly lead us through to full implementation.

http://thetaskforceblog.org/2010/12...igns-historic-dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal-bill/

 

[metta]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/questions-over-how-don-t-ask-repeal-will-work-23576018

 

[metta]

Obama: "Prepared to Implement"

http://advocate.com/printArticle.aspx?id=169908

He kind of also hints that getting rid of DOMA will probably have to be done in the courts....or take at least 4 to 6 years more to do.

 

[sokker]

Funny how proud Americans are when we did the same thing 31 years ago. And btw, DADT never should have existed in the first place!

 

[Kyanimal]

And shame on the dumbasses who turned this thread that's supposed to be something positive into something negative (not saying Kyanimal is). This is a big stepping stone in the gay rights movement and if you can't see that then you're a moron.

Glad to hear that, Sultan! (Since I believe I started this thread.)

I don't think there were benefits for the Military to be had when DADT ends. I think it's a benefit to civil rights and to the people have suffered under this ridiculous law.

And I think it will make a difference in the big picture. You know why? You know all those ignorant and inane arguments that people made as to why gays shouldn't be able to serve openly? They'll all be flushed down the drain when this doesn't effect the Military when people see that nothing has changed even though there are open Gays in the Military.

It will be huge because it's a social acceptance we didn't have before. This will only push for more social acceptance of homosexuals in other aspects of life and government. Of course that stuff wont happen right away, but it will happen.

I agree with you completely! What I meant by "the big picture" was pertaining strictly to the Military. Gay people have been serving since "Day ONE"! The idea that repealing DADT was mainly a way of getting more recruits is, as far as I'm concerned, just a bunch of "Bunk", and WAY off the mark!

The repeal of DADT is HUGE!! And, just the Beginning!

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

 

[frankfrank]

One thing that really bothers the hell out of me about MEDIA REPORTING on the repeal of DADT, is that they keep saying that it became law in 1993. Yes, of course that's true, but none of the reporting is telling us that DADT replaced what had been an absolute ban on gays in the military.

So a lot of people probably now think that there was never any discrimination by the Military before 1993.