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My dog actuallt hiked his legs and peed on their legs when a couple of guys stopped by for JWs.
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Dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses. I found a way.
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I read this whole thing and it almost made me cry. I love Jehovah God, but he can only do so much for you. Job is #1 and ain't going to get far with this world without one. Money should never be a person's reason to live, but as my beautiful mother would say "God don't pay the rent".
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I have never met any JWs who are NOT like this:
They are not "good people". Good people don't condemn their neighbors for having birthday parties -- among a lot of other things.
They are also ignorant, incapable of reading scripture. The same chapter from which they take their bastardized name for God proves that they are wrong: it says that Yahweh is the Savior, and there is no other. Thus the Bible plainly says that Jesus is God, because Jesus is the Savior. As someone who has translated his way through the New Testament more than once, I find their so-called "translation" a joke.
The only friendly JW I've ever been aware of was a neighbor of my grandmother. She was required to do something like forty hours a week of "witnessing". Since she knew my grandmother was a good person, she'd come over with her Watchtowers in her hand, grandmother would invite her in -- and grandmother would sit and knit and hum to herself while this JW lady read aloud hour on end to fulfill her obligation.
It's a revival of the ancient Arian heresy, except more brutal. They have no clue what the Gospel is, and are no better at interpreting the Apocalypse than the freak who just failed again at predicting the Rapture.
Once when I really didn't feel like listening again to people butchering the Bible, I grabbed my Greek New Testament. I showed it to them and said, This is the original. If you can use it for discussion, we can talk. Otherwise, come back when you're capable of having an intelligent conversation about the scriptures.
That pretty much sums up their situation -- ignorant, and ignorant of their ignorance.
I'm 59 years old and 6th in a family of 7. The brother who turned JW for a few years is now 61.
JWs were touring our town recruiting people into their cult when I was a kid. People who weren't JW were dangerous sinners who they avoided except to recruit them. Their children had no childhood.
When I moved to Peterborough in the early 70s, the JWs here were exactly the same. It wasn't long after I moved that my brother and his wife were suckered into the cult. At that time, my nephew was 7 and his sister was 5. I saw them only from a distance until both were in their early teens and my brother and sister-in-law walked away from the Kingdom Hall.
They almost divided my family forever, and it took many years for us to put the pieces back together. A lot of damage had been done when my brother was in that church, not to mention that I was banned from seeing my niece and nephew, and they were banned from seeing me. Is that what God tells them to do?
And now, 40 years later, the JWs are still trying to recruit me and they are just as nasty as ever. To them, I am a sinner condemned to an eternity in Hell. Oh, sure, they're all nicey-nicey and smiling, but when they walk away and I close the door after them, I feel a need to take a shower.
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I don't know much about JW, we don't have a lot of them around here. We have a lot more Mormons. (Most of which are actually pretty nice and at least not outwardly judgmental) But from what I'm reading... 
Sounds like a cult to me.
Sounds like a cult to me.
Daximus
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We get more Mormon missionaries here than Jewhowitnesses (it's a joke people) so I fend them off with the 'we suck each others dicks' comment and it pretty much results in me not even having to open the door. 
They're handcuffed to a high control cult using cognitive dissonance as their modus operandi. And yes I know plenty about the damage that cult causes on families with gay sons in them. Mormons, Scientologists, 7th Day Adventists, and Christian Scientists too are cults of a similar kind.
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I just would like to say that any Witness behaving in such a demeaning matter is NOT a true witness. As Jehovah Witnesses, it is our job to imitate the son of God Jesus Christ by behaving a very humble and non condescending matter. We are or rather suppose to be a group about love and understanding. Yes it is our job to go door to door and preach what we believe is the good news and try to save as many people from the Execution. However, we are NOT suppose to behave as what we say is law or act like a bunch of bullies. I am a hypocrite, but I been around some very good JW and I can definitely say that the asshole U guys run into are NOT true Jehovah Witnesses.
FuryOfFirestorm
Suck my dick, Scalia!
Come out to the Witnesses and see how well they treat you when the elders disfellowship you and the congregation shuns you.
Wasting their time is an act of noble self-sacrifice. As long as they're talking to you, they're not talking to someone who might fall for their bullshit.
This says that you ARE like the creeps that have been described here. Is that what you meant to say?
Hmm. Maybe it is. Why are you saying those things about yourself? You behave like a creep and are a hypocrite? Are you a hypocrite because you're gay and a JoHo?
BTW: even the NAME of their religion (as Kuli alluded) is bullshit. IIUC 'Jehovah' is derived by putting the Hebrew vowel points for 'adonai' ("lord") on the tetragrammaton 'YHWH'. This is a bullshit process and results in a bullshit name. Jews stopped pronouncing 'YHWH' so long ago that the knowledge of the vowels has been lost. Yeh-Ho-WaH is one possibility, but Yahoo Wahoo is another.
FuryOfFirestorm
Suck my dick, Scalia!
I thought YHWH was pronounced YAW-WAY?
LilBit
The bit(ch) is back!
By Christians, often. But there's no more evidence for that than for Yahoo Wahoo.
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Time for a brief lesson:
The Tetragrammaton ("writing of four letters") originally had vowels. Then some smart boy decided that if they never pronounced God's Name, they couldn't profane it (take it in vain). So instead they inserted the word "Adonai", Hebrew for (my) Lord.
Fast forward many centuries, to a scholar turning the Hebrew into his language (which wasn't English). He took the four consonants, and using his pronunciation, turned them into J, H, V, and H. That was good, but he wanted to be able to say it, and without vowels it sort of sounded like starting to throw up (okay, that's not really historical, but it makes the tale good). So he lifted the vowels from Adonai, which in his language came out e (or a; he chose the first), o, and e.
In case you haven't guessed, the guy was German. But we're not done yet -- along came an Englishman, and he wanted it in English, and since he didn't know how the German letters were pronounced, he just put them down as he found them. In German it sounded like "Yay-ho-wai", but in English it came together as Jehovah, "Juh-ho-vah", losing the "ai" sound to just "a".
So it's the bastardized product of three languages, and two alphabets with one varying in pronunciation, brought forth by shallow theology, ignorance, and laziness.
Once, peeved at an obnoxious JW, I told him to stop using that horrid word, because I considered it an insult to God, and if he said it again I'd thump him with my (eight-pound) Hebrew Old Testament.
He looked very troubled once I explained where his cult's "name" for God came from.
As for correct pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton....
There's a verse where it says, "I am that I am". It's built around averb with the same consonants; the pronunciation comes out something like "Eh-hyeh ush-air eh-hyeh". It's reasonable to assume that this phrase is connected to God's name not just in meaning, but in origin. So the best set of vowels for putting with the four consonants turn out to be "ah" and "eh/ey", in the form the word seems to be in.
So yes, best pronunciation is "Yahweh", where the second syllable is sort of between the short e of let and the ey of hey.
Which syllable gets the accent... up in the air last I knew.
We now return you to your regularly-scheduled musings.
They're a bunch of dupes much like you believing in nonsense. When the JoHos published "Millions Living Will Never Die" in 1925, at a convention those in attendance believed it. Where are they today diamonstar? Dead! That's where! The JWs have pulled this crap multiple times. Go to your "elders" and ask them for the Watchtowers and Awakes and other books from the 20s, 30s, or even 1980s, and see how often they changed their tune, from A to B, to C, then back to A then back to C. But guess what? Those elders will seek to brand you a heretic for wanting those books and magazines.
One of my good friends who's a bit older than I and a former JoHo was laughed at by the "elders" in 1986 when he was going against the church by going to college, and they told him Armeggedon would kill him before he ever finished his 4 year degree. That was 25 years ago, and my friend not only finished his undergrad, but went on to medical school and has been a practicing doctor for a decade and a half.
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Some of U guys seem to be taking my comments WAY too personal. I not saying none of U are wrong with you're thinking other than not all Witnesses are conceited jerks. That's stereotypical thinking. It's like saying all Asians are good at math and etc. If U guys don't like them, that's fine and I personally could care less. However, I just don't like that U guys are saying that ALL JW are bad people when that's FAR from the truth. Yeah, am a terrible example of what a JW should behave like, but their those who don't behave so scandalous like me or look down on people who aren't witnesses. Their are some JW who believe in the Bible as the book of life and can accept someone who doesn't believe the scriptures and not secretly hate them. I'll shut up now since I know this is going on death ears, but please understand that JW let alone Religious people look down on non believers.
During his time as a JW, my brother followed the rules and did as he was expected to do. He was not and is not an 'asshole'. He was a 'victim'.
ixthrock
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My new co-worker's a JW, and the boss people love him. He's an enthusiastic worker and reasonably intelligent, but is verbally aggressive - interrupting other speakers and being pointlessly argumentative. He's never mean, and has social ethics I can get behind, but I've had to learn to stand my ground with him - I know a hell of a lot more about plants than he does, and when I want something moved into the shade, I want him to move it into the shade without a half hour's worth of discussion about it.
Two things I didn't know about JW's:
1) They only changed the date of the apocalypse once. Once is enough for me to close my mind to them, but I thought it was more than once. I've taught him Robert Anton Wilson's coined phrase "immanentizing the eschaton," cause he keeps trying to do it with me. I call bullshit on the percieved signs and portents of the end times - far too many use the approaching apocalypse to throw in the towel of personal responsibility and to engage in divisive tactics - "we're going to heaven and you're not, so WE don't have to worry about making nice." And on that note, a friend quipped about an interaction with JW's - apparently the belief is that only so many are "going to heaven," and the JW's worldwide numbers have already exceeded that limit. Given those facts, why should they recruit? I'd worry that my new recruit might become a better JW and take my seat on the bus to paradise...
2) JW's don't believe in hell. It's either eternal life of glory, or mere death. No eternal punishment in a lake of fire, just dust to dust.
Two things I didn't know about JW's:
1) They only changed the date of the apocalypse once. Once is enough for me to close my mind to them, but I thought it was more than once. I've taught him Robert Anton Wilson's coined phrase "immanentizing the eschaton," cause he keeps trying to do it with me. I call bullshit on the percieved signs and portents of the end times - far too many use the approaching apocalypse to throw in the towel of personal responsibility and to engage in divisive tactics - "we're going to heaven and you're not, so WE don't have to worry about making nice." And on that note, a friend quipped about an interaction with JW's - apparently the belief is that only so many are "going to heaven," and the JW's worldwide numbers have already exceeded that limit. Given those facts, why should they recruit? I'd worry that my new recruit might become a better JW and take my seat on the bus to paradise...
2) JW's don't believe in hell. It's either eternal life of glory, or mere death. No eternal punishment in a lake of fire, just dust to dust.
