Democrats to advance health care under reconciliation

[Kulindahr]

It's clear that Droid is merely trolling around for attention, because as you've stated several times, they are not passing the entire Health Care reform through reconciliation.

They will use reconciliation to pass budgetary measures which will affect the Senate bill.

[Text: Removed by Moderator] ... period and as a result, he has to take the Glenn Beck approach to incite mass hysteria in as many places as he possibly can.

So they pass budgetary measures and not the main bill -- what then?


I hope they don't pass the main bill, because there's nothing in it that counts as reform, as far as I can see. If it contains the "everyone has to buy insurance" provision, it's merely bowing down to the insurance companies, reinforcing the current system.

I've asked this before, and hardly anyone seems to pay attention: if this is reform, where are the provisions for incentives for fraternal, NfP organizations providing insurance? Where are the provisions for more medical schools to increase the supply of doctors? Where are the provisions to cap malpractice suits? and the provisions to severely limit profits from malpractice insurance? Where are the provisions for incentives to establish immediate care clinics, which are far less expensive than emergency rooms? Where is the provision making the cost of an annual physical a refundable tax credit?

All of those should attract Republicans, because they feed competition and the free market. If those were all in a bill, I'd call it actual reform. But what I'm presently hearing about tells me that neither Democrats nor Republicans really favor reform.

 

[Kulindahr]

It's clear that Droid is merely trolling around for attention, because as you've stated several times, they are not passing the entire Health Care reform through reconciliation.

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[Text: Removed by Moderator] ... period and as a result, he has to take the Glenn Beck approach to incite mass hysteria in as many places as he possibly can.

It's "clear" only in your imagination. A more civilized interpretation would be that he's got a misunderstanding. And that's not surprising, because no one has explained the two-track deal clearly at all -- the explanations have been like Microsoft help files: you have to already know how it works to understand the "help".

BTW, the accusation that Republicans aren't interested in reform is another figment of your imagination. You're really saying that if someone doesn't agree with what you consider reform then they aren't interested in reform -- kind of like saying that anyone with a different skin color than you isn't human.

 

[hotatlboi]

Then what are they talking about using reconciliation to pass it for???

And how will they pass the actual bill?

I give up.

 

[JB3]

AGAIN, the comprehensive bill is not going to be passed under reconciliation. how many times do I have to say this?

A supplementary bill would be passed that way. We haven't even seen that bill yet. That bill could change budget related items in the main one.

That still doesn't change the fact that any supplementary bill would STILL fail ALL of the requirements for the use of reconciliation. (most especially since it would increase the deficit)

 

[JB3]

And here is Byrd's statement on the matter. While vague, he makes it clear that the ONLY situation in which reconciliation could be used for health care is if it actually reduces the deficit, and lowers costs for medicare. Unfortunately for democrats, the bill does neither.

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0310/Byrd_defends_reconciliation_to_finish_health_reform.html

 

[grantt]

Passing the healthcare proposals before Congress will "hang out to dry" every Democratic incumbent running for reelection this fall, Howard Dean said Thursday.

Dean, a physician by training who's a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), said that Democrats in Congress -- and President Barack Obama -- would do themselves more harm than good by passing the current healthcare bill.

"The plan, as it comes from the Senate, hangs out every Democrat who's running for office to dry -- including the president, in 2012, because it makes him defend a plan that isn't in effect essentially yet"

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-incumbents-and-obama-out-to-dry-in-elections

Looks like Dean sees the writing on the wall and sees Obama for what he will become, the next "Jimmy Carter".