Dems make progress/KKK Member steps down

[MCsNo1Fn]

Nobody thinks what you think unless they live down south and its been burned into their mind.. They used to live down south.. they know someone close who lives down south... or they grew up in the North and their parents/guardians kept it around the house and were misinformed.

That's all your view point. It'd be THEIR OWN fault for only listening to what their told and viewing it only as a negative symbol. Anyone who doesn't have it as a background, obviously wouldn't see it any other way than offensive. And that'd be their own fault.

If it was really a heritage flag... wouldn't it be displayed ALOT more? Wouldn't they have it displayed in schools on the "Heritage Days"? Yea walk in there with your flag and watch the gays jews mexicans and blacks give you a glare.

It is displayed a lot. And it IS at schools. Hell, it's even part of some starte flags (used to be a lot more). People are so quick to use the hate/race/etc card that they fail to comprehend the true meaning. A confederate flag doesn't stand for "hanging black people" or "slavery" or "whites vs blacks" and it doesn't even stand for anything hateful. Some extremists DO use it as a way of showing their hate, but as with anything, there's always the radical few that shouldn't be included in the mass majority. So if I walked in school with the confederate flag and those people you listed gave me a glare, I wouldn't give two fucks, because they're staring for a reason they didn't bother to research. It's been burned in THEIR mind (as you put it, and yes, it works both ways) that the flag is offensive and stands for a huge list of things in which IT DOES NOT.

I've said this before. Yea the swastika was once a good symbol before the nazis came and ruined it. But for those that display it and say otherwise.. they need to get over the fact of what the world sees it as. See the movie Crash it shows how racism and prejudice really exists strongly today in the back of people's minds more then people would like to think. When people hold that confederate symbol maybe a portion picked it as a heritage pride symbol... but they need to look back at who their ancestors were that passed it down to their parents and what THEY truly felt in the back of THEIR minds about minority groups.

What you DON'T understand, is people didn't "pick" it as a heritage pride symbol. I could easily say black people "picked" it as a hate symbol. It's stupid both ways.
It's a symbol of the history of this country. There were good and bad times, as with anything. And people who want to use it as a form of hatred, then so be it, but don't be offended when I call them uneducated fucking dumbasses. Same with the swastika. It's part of history. It was associated with good, and bad. But people dwell too much. If everything that meant something to anyone was taken away because some moron decided to associate all ther shit with negative and hate, then we'd have nothing.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

Really? John "Was Against It Before I was For It" McCain was up 'thet by it -- at one time, anyway:

And he was faking it. It was yet another way to get more votes.

When McCain said the confederate flag should be banned and is racist.. i actually was like you go boy! Educate the rednecks voting for you!

He's an idiot. He said it to get more black voters. You know AS SOON as he got into office, that would have been the first thing to overturn.

Educate the rednecks voting for you!

Or educate Pres. Candidate and the morons who think the "rednecks" are uneducated

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

That's all your view point. Anyone who doesn't have it as a background, obviously wouldn't see it any other way than offensive. And that'd be their own fault.


It is displayed a lot. And it IS at schools. Hell, it's even part of some starte flags (used to be a lot more). People are so quick to use the hate/race/etc card that they fail to comprehend the true meaning. A confederate flag doesn't stand for "hanging black people" or "slavery" or "whites vs blacks" and it doesn't even stand for anything hateful. Some extremists DO use it as a way of showing their hate, but as with anything, there's always the radical few that shouldn't be included in the mass majority. So if I walked in school with the confederate flag and those people you listed gave me a glare, I wouldn't give two fucks, because they're staring for a reason they didn't bother to research. It's been burned in THEIR mind (as you put it, and yes, it works both ways) that the flag is offensive and stands for a huge list of things in which IT DOES NOT.



What you DON'T understand, is people didn't "pick" it as a heritage pride symbol. I could easily say black people "picked" it as a hate symbol. It's stupid both ways.
It's a symbol of the history of this country. There were good and bad times, as with anything. And people who want to use it as a form of hatred, then so be it, but don't be offended when I call them uneducated fucking dumbasses. Same with the swastika. It's part of history. It was associated with good, and bad. But people dwell too much. If everything that meant something to anyone was taken away because some moron decided to associate all ther shit with negative and hate, then we'd have nothing.

Why is it not shown here in the North if we liberals respect all people of a different heritage? It was for the Confederacy which just fell apart. The first ones to use it right after the war ended was the KKK and angry ex-confederates. Alot of slave owners kept the flag on the farms when the slaves left and there was talk of a renewed civil war. It was flown in anger of loss saying that the Confederacy WILL rise again and that their HERITAGE would not be forgotten. Many blacks who were emancipated were chased into the woods in the south by the KKK waving the confederate flag and they stated they were the ghosts of the Dead confederate soldiers.

Thats what the white robes somewhat symbolize.. ghosts of dead confederate soldiers. The flag was used as an excuse of "Heritage" of where they lived and came from but was a way they could scare blacks and other minorities without being accused of being racist. They said if Mexicans can wear their flag on their car why can't we? The KKK site even has a shirt saying HERITAGE NOT HATE. It's a good loophole for the conservatives to use as a "liberal heritage defense." Some children grow up and see racism embedded in their parents and learn that the flag is HERITAGE after so many generations.. but the ones who first started saying it was heritage.... was a flat out lie.

 

[Kulindahr]

Or educate Pres. Candidate and the morons who think the "rednecks" are uneducated

That's a point worth noting!
I met a logger here who has a B.S. in Forest Science with a minor in math, and a M.A. in business. He's definitely a redneck (6" lift on his V8 full-bed 4-door Chevy, gun rack in back, snorkel on the exhaust kinda says that), but he is also definitely not uneducated.

 

[Kulindahr]

Cher, we've been through this about the Confederate flag, in a different thread. It means different things to different people -- like blacks whose ancestors fought for the South and are proud of that. If you don't remember all the different things it means to different people, go back and read that thread.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

Educated academically but what about issues such as such as gay rights.. global warming, animal cruelty such as making it illegal to shoot animals for fun, pollution.. ?

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

Cher, we've been through this about the Confederate flag, in a different thread. It means different things to different people -- like blacks whose ancestors fought for the South and are proud of that. If you don't remember all the different things it means to different people, go back and read that thread.

The blacks fighting for the confederacy were highly uneducated and weren't really informed of what they were doing.. they couldn't even be taught to read nor write and if they were caught trying to learn, there would be a penalty! Because knowledge gave them power. They were informed that the North was coming to destroy them and kill them.. thats it! Some were informed that the North was going to enslave them and treat them worse so they fought to keep what little they had... according to what they were told.

 

[Kulindahr]

Educated academically but what about issues such as such as gay rights.. global warming, animal cruelty such as making it illegal to shoot animals for fun, pollution.. ?

I think you're grasping at straws, here; it's not possible to get an M.A. these days and not be very aware of the issues you list -- and the hunter probably knows more about cruelty to animals than you do.

Animals taken by hunters almost invariably get more humane deaths than they would in the wild. A competent hunter puts one bullet through the heart, and the animal is dead from shock before pain has a chance to register. An animal that manages to avoid a hunter will die of attack by a predator which uses teeth to rip the throat out, or disease, or starvation, freezing, accident....
If you want to restrict a human activity that's cruel to animals, hunting is low on the list -- much higher would be driving.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

I'm talking about the rednecks that take the kids hunting and shoot them so they can teach their son to "Be A Man" and take the life of an innocent animal away and mount its head on the wall

 

[Kulindahr]

I know what you're talking about.

And as I said, most of those hunters understand far more about animal cruelty than you do -- for example, the fact that stopping hunting would be far, far crueler than most things within human power.

BTW, I've never met an "innocent animal".

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

I think its humane to take an animals life if its wounded or hurt... or will be in a great danger. But if you are doing it for your own pleasure and shoot a deer because you think it would be a great way to acknowledge your masculinity or a way to make you feel good about yourself... to see a deer minding its own business and you shoot it... thats evil and cruel. That could be the child of another deer or a mother of a deer that has a child will be defenseless as its waiting for food.

Animals are innocent towards us. If it feels threatened it will attack you. Stay out the woods if you have no business being in there unless you are enjoying nature and leaving it alone as it is from a distance. I do not feel any human being has a right to decide on when a living creature will have its life ended for the convenience of a human's comfort

 

[Kulindahr]

I think its humane to take an animals life if its wounded or hurt... or will be in a great danger. But if you are doing it for your own pleasure and shoot a deer because you think it would be a great way to acknowledge your masculinity or a way to make you feel good about yourself... to see a deer minding its own business and you shoot it... thats evil and cruel. That could be the child of another deer or a mother of a deer that has a child will be defenseless as its waiting for food.

The only reason I've ever felt "good about" myself when hunting has been, well just about every time: when I only need one shot, and the animal is dead, with no suffering. I don't feel bad about killing them, because that's their role in nature: they're prey. Humans are predators, and at this point -- given how much we've screwed with the balance of things -- that's not just a truism about our nature, but an obligation on us as a species.
I don't shoot fawns; they're not worth the effort. And once a deer is old enough to fend for itself, there aren't any family ties of any sort; the weaned young are just competitors for the resources, like all the other deer.
I hunt and shoot deer because it puts food on the table, and tells me I'm still in tune somewhat with at least a small part of nature. Shooting a deer doesn't make me feel manly or anything; what does that is skinning and gutting it there in the wild, then packing it out. and finally making use of every part of it except the entrails that I left behind -- but even those play a part, because they are a gift to scavengers, to feed them and their young.

Animals are innocent towards us. If it feels threatened it will attack you. Stay out the woods if you have no business being in there unless you are enjoying nature and leaving it alone as it is from a distance. I do not feel any human being has a right to decide on when a living creature will have its life ended for the convenience of a human's comfort

"Innocent"? The term doesn't apply. Animals are what their nature directs them to be. They ravage crops, attack infants, spread disease.
When I go hunting, I am enjoying nature, and enjoying being a part of it, aiding in keeping the balance, keeping the ecosystem healthy (in a large number of ways).

As a predator, I have the same right all predators have: to take the life of prey, to feed me.

 

[Kulindahr]

are you a vegan?

If not, he'd better become one: with his attitude, he has no business eating meat, or using any product that comes from a dead animal.

 

[Kulindahr]

I had forgotten about this little priceless gem.Back in 2001,Byrd did a sit down interview with the late,Tony Snow.Byrd was asked about race relations.He said that he thought,people talked about race too much.

And then he added these words....

Quote:
There are white niggers. I've seen a lot of white niggers in my time. I'm going to use that word.

I remember hearing that, and wondering, Does he mean white people who he considers "niggers", or does he mean people he calls "niggers" who "act white"?

I guess I never understood the racist language bit.

 

[Kulindahr]

Very, very true.

Not true at all -- there are lots of things people do as heritage things that schools don't do or even acknowledge because they're politically incorrect. For example, try taking a wooden replica of a WW I Enfield rifle to school to mark Veterans Day.

 

[Kulindahr]

When Byrd used the term "white niggers",it was a racial slur,(not only on a minority of white people)but,a minority of blacks as well.Stereo typing one part of a race,while using derogatory racial words,from another race,are a double sin.

I hear youth today,calling one another "wiggers"(meaning,a white kid who(in their minds)act or want to be black.Sometimes its used in a playful manner,but most of the time its derogatory and racist.IMO...the word should not be used by anyone,especially a respected Democratic Senator.

"Wiggers"?

Actually I know a "wigger"... who can't understand why he has practically no friends here.

I've heard "jigger"... and I have no idea what that's supposed to refer to!

 

[Kulindahr]

Kulindahr, that, and I'd wager some US schools display it, if he's talking about the rebel battle flag. It's also on some state flags and some state-issued license plates.

Vanman, "respected Democratic Senator" ought not use it, but I guess it's ok for respected Republican Senators to use it? Because that distinction must have been made for some reason, right?

Wasn't too long ago, you could still see the battle flag on those heavy-duty antennae that stick up four feet above a truck top, in the parking lot of South Albany High School.
Then political correctness struck... they probably forced them to be the Bunnies, or some similar wussy thing.


edit: curiosity got the better of me, and I checked -- they're still the "Rebels", but what their mascot is now I have no idea. No Dixie flags, though.

 

[Piquechampion]

As a predator, I have the same right all predators have: to take the life of prey, to feed me.

Just the same as the 9/11 terrorists (if that's what even happened) have the same (as you kindly put it) RIGHT to take the life of their preys.

 

[Piquechampion]

"If that's what even happened"? You think terrorists are cannibals?

Goddamn, there is so much wrong with your post.

I think the 9/11 was an inside Job of this Bush Administration.

Nuff Said.

 

[smelter]

That the admin was incompetent in acting on well-documented and highly alarming information is one thing. That they used or whored the event to expand their sick ideology and harden their grip on power is a given. But to suggest that Bush or Cheney "planned" 9/11 doesn't register with me -- I don't believe that for a second.

The only question I have is about building 7. How did that collapse in a perfect pancake when it wasn't struck directly? I saw a DVD video of it that a buddy of mine loaned to me. It looked like it was detonated, which is what they claim in the video! I'm not a conspiracy buff but that one is harder to explain than the twin towers structure failure.