Discussion Thread from the Funny Anti-Religious Pictures thread.

[Kulindahr]

Another hollow argument. What mother would allow her child to suffer by letting him burn his hand; she would do everything to prevent it.

Therefore should not God do all in his power to prevent man sinning? It seems he, unlike a caring mother, is quite willing to punish us for doing something he has told us not to do.

You miss the point: the scalding is not a punishment, it's a natural result. God telling us not to do something is just warning of a natural result.

 

[Kulindahr]

When it comes to religion, I think Maher is a lot smarter than you, Kuli. Seriously.

"Smarter" has nothing to do with it: he is using an outside measure to judge the integrity of a system of thought. It's the same error as insisting that relativity is wrong based on Newtonian assumptions, or saying that Hegel is wrong merely because Kierkegaard disagreed with him.

In order to criticize a system of thought in terms of logic, you have to start with the definitions used by that system of thought. As an example, if you wish to show that Plato is inconsistent, you can't introduce a Marxist axiom to measure Plato by, you have to use Plato's own writings.

 

[dpnice]

You miss the point: the scalding is not a punishment, it's a natural result. God telling us not to do something is just warning of a natural result.

No you haven't read my comments preferring to believe that you are the only person with sufficient intelligence to make a comment.

 

[Kahaih]

Re: Funny anti-religious Internet pics

^Your pbs.twiter pics never load and always say some 'don't exist' or some shit when I copy & past the url.

If they show for others, I may have something blocked. Just thought I'd mention it.

 

[Kulindahr]

No you haven't read my comments preferring to believe that you are the only person with sufficient intelligence to make a comment.

I read your comment. I analyzed it. You missed the point.

And as I said in another post, it has nothing to do with intelligence; that's an interpretation you and others have dragged in. it has to do with knowledge of the subject.

 

[Kulindahr]

That switches the definition of "kill" between the two statements.

By the definition of being dead that applies to humans in the Bible, Satan is already dead -- or, from another perspective, was never alive, as he has no material body (as ancient rabbis noted, that's why he had to borrow the snake to talk to Eve).

That accusation is based on ignorance, but I will concede that it's an ignorance held by an awful lot of "fire and brimstone" preachers, especially those of the sort I used to take on publicly on campus when in college, the ones who claimed that God gleefully tortures the wicked.

 

[Jacquemar]

Re: Funny anti-religious Internet pics

I can't see Johaninsc's posts either.

 

[johaninsc]

I read your comment. I analyzed it....

I bet you're fun at parties...

 

[johaninsc]

Re: Funny anti-religious Internet pics

^Your pbs.twiter pics never load and always say some 'don't exist' or some shit when I copy & past the url.

If they show for others, I may have something blocked. Just thought I'd mention it.

I can't see Johaninsc's posts either.

thanks. I wasn't aware of that.
I'll try to avoid posting pics from there.

I imagine that there might be some problems with the pics I'm posting in CE&P

 

[Kulindahr]

I bet you're fun at parties...

No -- as I noted earlier, I have a nearly impossible time not being objective.

 

[Jacquemar]

I bet you're fun at parties...

It's like watching a Wylie Coyote/Road Runner cartoon... mostly the same thing every time, completely absurd every time... but somehow you HAVE to watch!

 

[zoltanspawn]

No -- as I noted earlier, I have a nearly impossible time not being objective.

Most of us merely strive to be objective.

I think you'll gain greater understanding* if you adopt that attitude, too.

Drop the notion that you are always being objective.

*and be way more fun at parties

 

[Spensed]

Argument from ignorance and a priori assumption.

I don't know who the guy was, but he's given a superb example of talking without preparation. The first clause is a false statement, which can only arise from being deliberately deceptive or plainly ignorant.

For that matter, a decent reading of the Bible puts the second assertion into question as well: examination of Paul's arguments and those of the Prophets indicate that God doesn't want to "punish" anyone; He is merely allowing them to suffer the natural results of their actions. It's like a mother warning a child not to stick a hand into boiling water -- would you accuse that mother of "punishing" the child with the resulting scalding?

"If God himself was not able to render human nature sinless, what right had he to punish men for not being sinless?"

The first clause is contingent on whether what it says is true or not. So it can hardly, of itself, be false, deceptive or ignorant unless one ignores the "If". And sure a mother, who warns her child not to stick its hand in boiling water and then allows it to be scalded for making the wrong choice, is not only punishing the child but would be a sadistic monster.

 

[dpnice]

I read your comment. I analyzed it. You missed the point.

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I am right you are wrong is not a valid argument. You in fact missed the point. If one can create something from nothing then one is capable of repairing/altering/improving it without breaking it open (obviously a stupid argument as it is an impossibility)

But it was you who compared God to a mechanic.

 

[Alistair]

Re: Funny anti-religious Internet pics

thanks. I wasn't aware of that.
I'll try to avoid posting pics from there.

I imagine that there might be some problems with the pics I'm posting in CE&P

I'm not having any problem seeing your pictures.

 

[DantheManFL]

Re: Funny anti-religious Internet pics

I can see all of your pics too. It's not you Johan.

 

[Kahaih]

Re: Funny anti-religious Internet pics

Yeah, the pictures are there on my phone.

It's just so odd that I would get redirected to a page/site with a 'picture doesn't exist' message/page using a different service provider.

If there are only a small few having this problem it's really not much to worry about. Carry on.

 

[zoltanspawn]

Re: Funny anti-religious Internet pics

I can't see your pictures, but I believe they're there and think they're hilarious.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Re: Funny anti-religious Internet pics

It is worth mentioning that the name "islam" comes from "submission". And "muslim" is "he who submits himself".

Oh, you thought "islam" meant "peace" ("salaam")? Now that is what we call "taqiyya".

 

[Kulindahr]

I am right you are wrong is not a valid argument. You in fact missed the point. If one can create something from nothing then one is capable of repairing/altering/improving it without breaking it open (obviously a stupid argument as it is an impossibility)

But it was you who compared God to a mechanic.

Your argument fails because it depends on changing the rules of someone else's system of thought. The same source from which the claim of creating something from nothing comes also describes the something as an integrated system that is a whole, and has to be dealt with as a whole.

Further, the same system of thought describes the Creator of that something as one Who follows His own rules, and since He set up the Creation as a system with rules, He cannot violate it.

Any attempt to show a contradiction in a system of thought by importing outside rules and ignoring the rules of that system of thought is not onl void but intellectually dishonest.