Discussion Thread from the Funny Anti-Religious Pictures thread.

[Kulindahr]

Blustering certainty in disputed and/or unknown areas is one element, which the funny anti-religious pictures exploit. Thank you for continuing to provide the same element in narrative form.

You provide a source that is doing nothing but blustering. All I did was point out the lack of qualifications and the self-serving definition necessary for one of its points to stand.

 

[Kulindahr]

And gays are all pedophiles.

That statement is as true as the one above; it rests on nothing but ignorant opinion. Both Jesus and St. Paul were champions of women. For that matter, even the Old Testament made steps in that direction, the prime example being of a husband having to give a legitimate reason for divorcing a wife rather than just throwing her out. Sure, to today's standards it looks backwards, but for the time it was a big step forward, as were how Jesus and Paul regarded women.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Funny anti-religious Internet pics

Even worse, this is the long route from Cairo to Jerusalem. The coastal route via Gaza could be walked in four days in Roman times.

Roman times, possibly. But for a group of people moving through hostile territory without roads?

A millennium can make a big difference in conditions.

Though interestingly the route depicted makes more sense for a group of a few thousand rather than the million-plus the Old Testament lists. OTOH, either way they supposedly had some other destinations before the end point.

 

[Kulindahr]

If I'm remembering my American 'evangelists' correctly, Charles Finney slammed Christians with that attitude pretty heavily, pointing out that the proper conclusion from one's own abundance and others' need was that God meant the abundance to be used to help with the need.

It's tragic that the very people clamoring that the U.S. is supposed to be a Christian country are the very ones throwing away that heritage.

 

[Jacquemar]

Re: Funny anti-religious Internet pics

Yeah, I don't think it really happened.

 

[Spensed]

I've addressed the substance of everything thrown at me, using the historical standards applied in any university history course.

And if it's okay to make fun of someone's religion then you should have no problem with people making fun of others' race. Immutability is irrelevant; what matters is how personal something is to someone. If your approach to making fun of religion allows for lies and distortions, then you should dive in any time gays are equated with pedophiles and defend the people saying that.

You seem not to have any room for skepticism or doubt in your historical sources. That itself should give one room for skepticism and doubt. Your historical sources on your own case have no verification at origin and rely on verbal transmission, hearsay, imported agenda viewpoints, etc. I suggest you read around some more. This is a heavily disputed area.

Humor allows for lies and distortion (as you see them). You may choose not to see it, but there's a world of difference between laughing at race, sexual orientation and things that people haven't chosen and beliefs, about which reasonable people can differ. With the latter, one hits notions of slurs and hate speech much later than you seem prepared to allow. It's not a slur to suggest that religious beliefs need not be treated with respect, especially if the supposed believer consistently displays a lack of it.

 

[Spensed]

And when did the Oxford English Dictionary become a lexicon of Koine Greek?

Referencing modern dictionaries for the meaning of ancient Greek words is just a way of avoiding thinking, or of lying. It's as dishonest as claiming that "We'll all be gay when Johnny comes marching home" is a song line about turning people into homosexuals.

Much better to give words meanings one wants them to have had to suit one's religious conceptions.

 

[Spensed]

Immutability is irrelevant to hate. All you're doing is playing with words to excuse one kind of hate speech. Claiming that something being a choice makes a difference is the same tactic as when cops insist someone should allow them to paw through their private dwelling and possessions if they have nothing to hide.

But your main point here is just a lie about the problem, which is allowing lies being used to insult people. That seems to be somehow allowed now; it goes in in Current Events and Politics as well.

As I keep saying, lies, insults, etc. are all permitted in humor. What is proscribed here are slurs and hate speech having to do with race and religion. It just takes more to get to a slur or hate speech about an optional belief than it does about an immutable personal characteristic. People can't stop being the race they are. They can, and do, abandon and laugh at their former beliefs, especially as many such beliefs have historically proved to be wrong.

 

[Spensed]

You provide a source that is doing nothing but blustering. All I did was point out the lack of qualifications and the self-serving definition necessary for one of its points to stand.

You're welcome.

 

[Spensed]

And gays are all pedophiles.

That statement is as true as the one above; it rests on nothing but ignorant opinion. Both Jesus and St. Paul were champions of women. For that matter, even the Old Testament made steps in that direction, the prime example being of a husband having to give a legitimate reason for divorcing a wife rather than just throwing her out. Sure, to today's standards it looks backwards, but for the time it was a big step forward, as were how Jesus and Paul regarded women.

Hardly ignorant opinion to see that the Bible treats women as inferior to men. Try reading it without defensive preconceptions. Also, as the word of God, why does it need to be work in progress with respect to women, as it is with slavery? Instead of a big step forward, it could have depicted women being treated better to begin with. Ah wait, it just reflects, and advances, if you like, the mores of the time. That's what the cartoon is mocking. Get it now?

 

[dpnice]

.....................Get it now?

We do. Unfortunately he never will; nor will he ever concede on a single point.

 

[Kulindahr]

Hardly ignorant opinion to see that the Bible treats women as inferior to men. Try reading it without defensive preconceptions. Also, as the word of God, why does it need to be work in progress with respect to women, as it is with slavery? Instead of a big step forward, it could have depicted women being treated better to begin with. Ah wait, it just reflects, and advances, if you like, the mores of the time. That's what the cartoon is mocking. Get it now?

Yes, ignorant, because viewing it from today's standards makes any conclusion false from the beginning.

As the Word of God, it is addressing human beings. If you are seriously asking those questions, you needto learn something about human beings.

And it advances the mores substantially. Our culture is still at least two thousand years behind the mores of the Bible -- more, really, because it can't even reach the morality of the prophets who preached eight hundred to six hundred years before Christ.

So the only thing to laugh about in the image is the ignorance of the person who made it -- it mocks its creator.

 

[aaggii]

We do. Unfortunately he never will; nor will he ever concede on a single point.

We should let religious freaks do what they do best: talk by themselves until they eventually vanish. Soon he´ll wear one of those ¨the end is coming¨ signs and start screaming at people.

 

[Kulindahr]

We should let religious freaks do what they do best: talk by themselves until they eventually vanish. Soon he´ll wear one of those ¨the end is coming¨ signs and start screaming at people.

The only religious freaks on JUB tend to avoid any topic that even remotely smells like religion -- in fact IIRC one quit JUB because he considered the mere existence of the FARIP thread to be blasphemous.


BTW, when I've encountered people with "the end is coming" signs who scream at people I've almost always dug out my Greek New Testament and proceeded to demonstrate to their faces how far they are from having a clue about Jesus or the Bible.

 

[zoltanspawn]

BTW, when I've encountered people with "the end is coming" signs who scream at people I've almost always dug out my Greek New Testament and proceeded to demonstrate to their faces how far they are from having a clue about Jesus or the Bible.

Did you convince them they were wrong?

 

[pat grimshaw]

We do. Unfortunately he never will; nor will he ever concede on a single point.

Stubbornness is what makes a man a man.

 

[star-warrior]

And it advances the mores substantially. Our culture is still at least two thousand years behind the mores of the Bible -- more, really, because it can't even reach the morality of the prophets who preached eight hundred to six hundred years before Christ.

So the only thing to laugh about in the image is the ignorance of the person who made it -- it mocks its creator.

Everyone loves the can do prophet, Elisha, when he was mocked by a group of children for his bald head, he cursed them all in the name of the Lord, and there appeared two she-bears who promptly tore apart those kids. Afterwhich he went on his merry way.

2500+ years on, our dial-a-bear service for pesky kid eradication needs fixing.

 

[Spensed]

Yes, ignorant, because viewing it from today's standards makes any conclusion false from the beginning.

As the Word of God, it is addressing human beings. If you are seriously asking those questions, you needto learn something about human beings.

And it advances the mores substantially. Our culture is still at least two thousand years behind the mores of the Bible -- more, really, because it can't even reach the morality of the prophets who preached eight hundred to six hundred years before Christ.

So the only thing to laugh about in the image is the ignorance of the person who made it -- it mocks its creator.

Twisting oneself into a pretzel to sustain one's belief seems more to mock one's creator, if there is one. There is no reason for the antiquated aspects of the Bible and its morality other than it's an old text reflecting the time, in which it was written. It may or may not have a metaphysical dimension beyond that. The fact that some folk can't live with that uncertainty explains why they don't have a sense of humor about comedy which mocks their asserted theology.

 

[aaggii]

The only religious freaks on JUB tend to avoid any topic that even remotely smells like religion -- in fact IIRC one quit JUB because he considered the mere existence of the FARIP thread to be blasphemous.


BTW, when I've encountered people with "the end is coming" signs who scream at people I've almost always dug out my Greek New Testament and proceeded to demonstrate to their faces how far they are from having a clue about Jesus or the Bible.

It was a general statement. Do you always take things you read on the internet as a personal attack?

This reminds me of the religious freaks who always think everything is against god and / or them.

 

[Kulindahr]

Did you convince them they were wrong?

Only once -- not a high success rate. But I did consistently get others to do two things: think more deeply about what the Bible actually says, and be more civil in addressing campus preachers.