Do JUBbers ever get tired of seeing boys who look like 15 or 16 in the Porn forum? (rant)

[hungkee]

Dear ChickenGuy,



But in your initial post you claim that it seems there aren't any guys between the ages of 25-40 who are doing porn. Or that its somehow an age group not represented in gay porn. Or that somehow porn with that entire age range of guys eludes you.

Yet actually there is simply tons of porn with exactly that age group doing the cocksucking and the buttfucking before cameras and for the amusement & entertainment of the masses. You do know how to GOOGLE, don't you?

And most of the porn uploaded even at JustUsBoys - which I will agree seems to like to promote or put front & center the younger demographic of porno boys (but then, BOYS is right there in its name) - is of guys 25-PLUS.

So maybe it appears to some people here that your original issue has a bit of artifice to it. I mean, you don't really ever have to look at or even much come across Barely Legal porn or such boys if you don't go looking for them.

I'm not into such twinkie-twink porn usually because some of the guys simply don't behave in the most manly or masculine of ways.

I likes me'men to be men and not Britney wannabes.

But that's a whole other issue.

So one must ask why it is that something you could (nearly) completely avoid and instead turn to simply Internet bucketloads of porn with men 25+ bothers you so much?

I could see if your argument were suggesting that you don't think or believe that some of the "bois" in Barely Legal porn or in "self-pic amateur" forums are truly 18.

I mean, then I could see your suspicion and outrage. But that isn't what seems to be what bothers you or what was your original rant either.

I don't even know what your original rant was or meant really in the scheme of things (and four pages of a thread) because it seems to keep shifting h- however subtlely in its rhetoric or observation/s.

But I think thousands of men here could point you to simply decades-worth of gay porn starring only men 25 and over. In fact, sometimes masturbating men trip over that stuff so much that its "refreshing" to see an unblemished 18 year-old with a cock up his tiny butt and another jammed down his throat.

So, again, why even worry about, let alone, suffer 18 year-old porn models?

 

[TickTockMan]

Drawing a legal line at a certain age doesn't make sense anyway -- it's laziness and disrespect for individuals on the part of the lawmakers.

I agree and I have argued that for years.

Thanks for the deliberate selective quote of me and for taking my comments completely out of context.

It wasn’t a selective quote, it was the germane part of a quote. I also took nothing out of context. I read what you wrote and took it for what it said linearly.

If it's simply a NON-SEXUAL "Oh, that boy is good-looking" or "Oh, he's nice." then I'm perfectly fine with EITHER of the examples.

If the motive is to jerk off and lust over them doing sexual acts, then I have an issue and objection with BOTH of the examples.

Does that make more 'perfect sense' to you?

That is not the way what you wrote read.

 

[G-Lexington]

All I'm going to say is that it's just wonderful to see gay men so vehemently defending the crime they've been accused of for so long, that crime being pederasty, borderline or not.

Well, as long as we're being technical, we're not talking about pedophilia OR pederasty. Nobody's talking about "recruiting", or taking on a teenage lover in a "lover/beloved" relationship a la ancient Greece here. We're talking about ephebophilia - the sexual attraction to teenagers. Your comments seem to suggest that we can't allow/permit/be permissive of this type of porn because, gee whiz, what will the straights think? And my answer is they'll think whatever they were going to think anyway. Most of them won't care, and those that don't like it will use it as ammo that we're perverted freaks. Same as the scantily-clad guys, uber-fabulous drag queens, and guys wearing leather dog masks in the Pride parade. Yeah, I'd rather a few people didn't look at that one aspect and think "that's what they all are", but I don't think the solution is to push those people out. It's to let people know (for those who care to) that there's a diverse crowd out there. And for those who don't care to know...well, they're beyond trying to reach, really, aren't they?

Kuhl pointed out that the lines are rather arbitrary anyway. There probably are "world-ready" 17-year-olds, and guys who couldn't handle anything sexually-related at 20. (Hell, there are some JUBbers I might put into that category.) But I think it's accepted that the line should be drawn somewhere, and here in the states, in an overreaching way, that line is drawn at 18. And I'm fine with that.

Do I think porn companies deliberately look for guys who look "young"? I don't doubt it. But that's certainly not something that's confined to gay porn, unless you think it's 25-year-old women who are normally found in Catholic school uniforms - a trope that was something of a cliche even before Britney Spears put one on. Are the porn companies playing directly into ephebophilic fantasies with these people? Hard for me to say, since I don't watch the porn, and don't know precisely how they're portrayed. From my bygone days of checking out straight porn, it seemed that younger women were often presented as "expert virgins". You know, somebody "inexperienced" but extremely willing, who looks at the porn-consumer in that "teach me tiger" sort of way...but once the sex starts, she can do everything with the knowledge of someone with several decades of experience. I don't know if "barely-legal" gay porn goes the same route.

But here's the thing, at least to me. It's porn. It's fantasyland. So let's move beyond this particular group of porn, and look at some of the others.

There's plenty of porn featuring guys tied up, in chains, in cages. Being whipped, paddled, shocked, sexually assaulted. Is this stuff wrong, because it suggests that it's OK to do that to people? Does it send the message that it's OK to grab random strangers and tie them up, whip them, sexually assault them?

There's plenty of porn featuring people in a van, driving up to "unsuspecting" straight guys, and "tricking them" into getting a blowjob (or more) from a gay guy. Is this stuff wrong, because it suggests that it's OK to do that to people? Does it send the message that a good plan for Saturday night is to get a bunch of cash and a van, and start driving around looking for straight guys to don blindfolds and get blowjobs?

There's plenty of porn featuring guys dressing up as animals - donning fursuits and humping away in hotel rooms. Is this stuff wrong, because it suggests that it's OK to do that to animals? Does it send the message that it's OK to find a wolf (preferably a six-foot-tall blue one) and take it to the Holiday Inn for sex?

The thing is - yes, I've heard some lone voices decry all of the above. Heavy B&D promotes violence, "Bait Van" is just straight rape, furry porn is bestiality. But it seems most people (to my way of thinking) get it. It's porn. It's people having fun sexually. The guy in the latex suit and ball gag is a willing participant, not somebody they found at Denny's and slipped a roofie to. It probably took ten takes to get the "straight" guys reaction correct after the great reveal that he was being sucked by a guy. The guy in the blue wolf costume had it custom made, and probably knows a very understanding dry cleaner. You might find any and all of this stuff "not your cup of tea", or even "a complete boner-killer", but most seems to take the attitude of "hey, whatever floats your boat". And I feel the same way about "barely legal" porn. So long as the participants are actually of age (just as so long as the guy in the latex suit is actually consenting), I don't have any problem with it.

Lex

 

[Taz]

Lex's uber awesome post

Lex

Smartest thing I've read all week.

 

[palbert]

All I'm going to say is that it's just wonderful to see gay men so vehemently defending the crime they've been accused of for so long, that crime being pederasty, borderline or not. Further, many of you need to look up the difference between pedophilia and pederasty.

Ephebophilia, arachnaphobia, agoraphobia or whatever. A rose is rose is a rose. Lust is lust and desire is desire. Agree with Ashy even in the face of this sanctimonious onslaught. And genetics has nothing to do with any of this beyond giving a prepubescent teen a comesome face.

 

[Cutttt]

Stop wasting my time.[/QUOTE]


You hit the nail on the head here Chicken Guy.

You're a twit mate.

I'm starting to wonder if you even believe the dribble that's coming out of your mouth!
You are a waste of our time and I refuse to validate any more of your foolish comments or so called views.
Time would be better spent pulling lint out of ones navel!

Good Day to you Sir.

 

[palbert]

Stop wasting my time.


You hit the nail on the head here Chicken Guy.

You're a twit mate.

I'm starting to wonder if you even believe the dribble that's coming out of your mouth!
You are a waste of our time and I refuse to validate any more of your foolish comments or so called views.
Time would be better spent pulling lint out of ones navel!

Good Day to you Sir.

Don't overdo your clarity and eloquence, Just wtf are you trying to say.

 

[palbert]

You do realize that you just called 21+ people "prepubescent teens"? How does that even work?

Oh, I get it. Because of their genetics.

You look at them and see "kid." I look at them and see them the age that they are. Do not judge me for not seeing your close-minded, wrong views.

Because you card them.

 

[glasvegas]

I'd have to disagree that genetics does play a role in whether or not someone looks older or younger than they really do. Take Asians for example. A large portion of them don't grow much facial or body hair(which to some, apparently, are an indication of age, or the age that one appears to be). They tend to "age well," or look younger than they really are. If genes aren't a factor, how would you explain this? Or do you not believe that Asians "age well"?

Oh Kien, I think it must be the bird nest soup that I been drinking or the ginseng I been consuming everyday that makes me look so young. It has nothing to with gene really.

 

[glasvegas]

Hahaha I hope (kinda) you're being sarcastic! Except there are some foods and other stuff that can make someone look younger. I guess. I don't know if that actually works though

LOL. Only if I could afford those stuff. I am a poor college student who only eat once a day. Well, yes, scientifically, some chemicals do help with aging.

 

[palbert]

@ Kien: one ages with life's circumstance. An Asian rice paddy worker, of same age, will not turn out so nicely as a Politburo member.
A shrewish wife will age one, as will many other things. And, Asians age just the same altho each individual may age at a different pace; saying ottherwise is self-indulgent.

 

[glasvegas]

@ Kien: one ages with life's circumstance. An Asian rice paddy worker, of same age, will not turn out so nicely as a Politburo member.
A shrewish wife will age one, as will many other things. And, Asians age just the same altho each individual may age at a different pace; saying ottherwise is self-indulgent.

So wait, does aging due to genetics or environment?

 

[palbert]

So wait, does aging due to genetics or environment?

Both affect the appearance of aging..

 

[glasvegas]

Both affect the appearance of aging..

Oh really? But look up the post above you and read what you wrote.

 

[palbert]

What I wrote referred to genetics for the prepubescent teen (at that time mostly not affected by life's circumstance}. I see no conflict'

N.B. While this is interesting, isn;t it quite off topic?

 

[palbert]

You do realize that you just called 21+ people "prepubescent teens"? How does that even work?

From the vast number of posters in their 20's and later who profess virginity, we might consider raising the age of prepubesence considerably.

 

[Knucklehead]

Thanks for your sarcasm. Feel free to jerk off to kids. Keep in mind that you're only adding to the stereotype that all gay men are kiddy-fuckers. Thanks for that.

I see..And you tirelessly fight gay sterotypes by walking around in make up and being stoned day and night.

Give me a cookie,Dude..

Oh yeah,thanks for your help.

 

[Kulindahr]

Sometimes some of us just plain get tired of porn forums.

 

[Knucklehead]

Sometimes some of us just plain get tired of porn forums.

Perhaps..But surely not you.Not with over 78,000 posts on one..

 

[altlover85]

Don't overdo your clarity and eloquence, Just wtf are you trying to say.

I think you are just jealous because he (Cutttt) has a natural way with words as opposed to your forced and affected way of writing.

And your views on prepubesence are a bit strange, in my opinion.