Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman

[nitish]

This would still be happening if we were governed by christian law, just as it hapens under sharia law.

Just pointing out the truth, sorry if it offends people.

We are lucky to be living under a secular law in the west, try living in Iran as a gay man and playing the game of avoiding capital punishment for sharing a bed naked with another man.

I oppose this greatly, but it doesnt mean that religion doesnt believe some things in its teachings, it is just that some things are made illegal by secular law.

Exactly. What I don't get is why they choose the interpenetration that is not supported by scholars of Judaism and Hebrew or everyone in general without giving a good reason.

 

[nitish]

If you read it without just skimming over it, you will discover that it says (paraphrased), "Don't fuck around with your best bud in the same bed you fuck around with your wife. It's 'unclean'."

Like I said before, it doesn't say not to have sex with another man, it just tells you where you shouldn't do it.

Translators made it an "abomination".

whoa, I read no such thing in there. What I read is that there are many differing opinion and most of them center around homosexuality being a sin of some sort. Are you talking about the interpretation of that one rabbi, which is based on extrapolation, not the text?

 

[MainEntry]

The Leviticus passages and the other ritual abominations mentioned in the same context were not conceived, at that time, to be "sins" as Christians view sin. There were remedies for the Levitical infractions that involved purification at the temple. Other abominations included eating pork, certain seafood, wearing clothes of mixed fabric, masturbating to orgasim, and touching a woman during her period.

If our understanding of living a life in harmony with the will of God has not progressed beyond Leviticus, we are doomed.

 

[Spiff]

I have never lay with a man the same way I would lay with a woman. I guess I'm good.

 

[sabot3ur]

thou shalt not smoke tobacco products, because thou smelleth smoky, and art an abomination to all that walketh past on the sidewalk.

thou shalt not sin accordingeth to my definition of the word sin, or it is my proclamation that thou shalt burn in the DEPTHS OF FIERY HELLL for all eternity. with no fluffy clouds, or eternal euphoria.

drugs art bad, mmkay. and so sayeth the lord, and it was good!

 

[Yuki Sohma]

Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman...

Not sure, I've have never shared physical sexual pleasures with a woman
(in the most strict sense of being a woman)
--------I say in the----------

most strict sense of being a woman

--------because----------
---------I assure you that just as some of my lovers---------
---------embrace their----------
--------masculinity---------
----------some of my lovers embrace their----------
----------femininity............​

 

[Joshua_me]

If you don't believe it, ask Jesus.

I tried, but he was looking a little cross today.


Blather, Blather....

People: The Bible is a book written by men, reinterpreted by any number of homophobes who were alarmed at the stiffy they got watching the choir boys shower and believed by narrow-minded idiots.

God didn't write a book.

Snakes don't talk, you can't fit two of every animal in an ark and people don't turn into pillars of salt.

God bless the folks that find comfort in this nonsense, but please don't expect to find anything that even vaguely represents reality.

 

[Inwood]

I am not really looking to bash religion (this time) and would welcome an honest discussion.

Oh good. I'm glad you don't want this to devolve into a pissing match, or a baiting contest.

?????? Do you know Hebrew as well?
....And if you don't care enough to enlighten people to your point of view by using reliable sources, then why bother post.

ugh.... Iysh means male, man, blah blah blah....and zakar is actually used in Arabic. It means remembrance, remembering, mentioning blah blah blah

Is that really all you have? Evasion? Nice try though.

I would love to see you explain away Leviticus 20:13
I will even link to the religion apologist website, religious tolerance
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh3.htm


If you have nothing to add to this discussion, then don't waste my time.

I did read that. I don't see your point. They only differ on what type of sin it is, and it applies to all sex between males. Do you see anything I don't? If so, could you spell it out?


what's with the secrecy? Or do you guys have nothing to say?

Oh wait. My bad.

 

[tbonez]

All scholars, who analyzed that passage know it refers to men having sex with men. The only argument is what type of sin, and the scope of it. I would love to see you explain away Leviticus 20:13

Child's play to explain...

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death." (or some variation there of.)

This verses refer to people who took part in the baal fertility rituals in order to guarantee good crops and healthy flocks. One would assume about 90% of them were straight.

BTW: The word "abomination" in Leviticus was used for anything that was considered to be religiously unclean or associated with idol worship. Today it has a more loaded meaning obviously.

Besides, the use of Leviticus is a hypocritical use of the Bible... Leviticus 11:1-12, 20:25 12:1-8

I guess I'm supposed to make a guest apperance so, uhh, hi everybody!!

Heeeers Johnny!

 

[tbonez]

... yet they say an entire population of a city (Sodom) was burned for being gay.

As I read it the sin of sodom was NOT sexual:

When Lot refused to give the visiting angels to the inhabitants of Sodom and he offered them his two daughters instead I guess they weren't in a mood to barter.

Don't forget Ezekiel - God explains that the sin of Sodom was that the sodomites were arrogant, fat and didn't help the poor "They were haughty and did detestable things before me."

No mention of butt fucking or cock sucking.

 

[nitish]

Oh good. I'm glad you don't want this to devolve into a pissing match, or a baiting contest.








Oh wait. My bad.

Your point? This is no where near an honest discussion. I am not interested in people saying go learn Hebrew, or read 5 pages without specifically pointing out what they want me to read. Or better yet, quote their sources.

 

[Inwood]

Your point? This is no where near an honest discussion. I am not interested in people saying go learn Hebrew, or read 5 pages without specifically pointing out what they want me to read. Or better yet, quote their sources.

My point is you can counter someone's argument without using the language I quoted, which is designed to flame or bait someone. If you truly wanted an honest discussion, then I suggest you tone down your language and ask the questions above to the posters you wish to engage in a more cordial tone.

 

[nitish]

My point is you can counter someone's argument without using the language I quoted, which is designed to flame or bait someone. If you truly wanted an honest discussion, then I suggest you tone down your language and ask the questions above to the posters you wish to engage in a more cordial tone.

I could NOT care less what you think of my tone.

 

[Inwood]

I could NOT care less what you think of my tone.

Then don't expect to engage in any meaningful dialogue here. You're offensive.

 

[tbonez]

My point is you can counter someone's argument without using the language I quoted, which is designed to flame or bait someone. If you truly wanted an honest discussion, then I suggest you tone down your language and ask the questions above to the posters you wish to engage in a more cordial tone.

I could NOT care less what you think of my tone.

LOL

Where in the Bibles does it say that "no good deed shall go unpunished?"

Perhaps in the ancient scrolls of JUB V1.0?

 

[nitish]

Then don't expect to engage in any meaningful dialogue here. You're offensive.

What part of I could not care less do you not understand? the Not part?

 

[Inwood]

What part of I could not care less do you not understand? the Not part?

Then you may as well fuck right off then because what's your purpose for existing here?

 

[nitish]

Then you may as well fuck right off then because what's your purpose for existing here?

Hahahaha. I am sorry that you thought my purpose for existing "here" (whatever that is) was to care about what YOU say. I've already figured out that you have little to nothing to contribute to the topic at hand, and will instead go into nonsense like feelings and tones. Yeah. I honestly could not care less about that.

 

[Inwood]

Hahahaha. I am sorry that you thought my purpose for existing "here" (whatever that is) was to care about what YOU say. I've already figured out that you have little to nothing to contribute to the topic at hand, and will instead go into nonsense like feelings and tones. Yeah. I honestly could not careless about that.

You really don't have a clue, do you. I asked you WHAT your purpose for existence here was. Nowhere did I give any answers to that question.

And really, you're beginning to look like a ranting lunatic. Yes, hysterical was a good word to use to describe you.

 

[nitish]

You really don't have a clue, do you. I asked you WHAT your purpose for existence here was. Nowhere did I give any answers to that question.

And really, you're beginning to look like a ranting lunatic. Yes, hysterical was a good word to use to describe you.

The only reason you asked that was because I said I could care less what YOU say/think. I think any rational slash well adjusted person would take your neurotic outbursts the same way I did. What a random question to ask. And here where?

What part of I could not care less do you not understand? the Not part?

Then you may as well fuck right off then because what's your purpose for existing here?

That's a pretty clear if then statement. If you don't care about what I have to say, then why do you exist. That sounds crazy.