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Do You Believe In Smacking Children ?

rareboy;10237663But I doubt is any child even remotely 'craves' physical discipline. [/QUOTE said:
I can't answer for kev and won't try, but I was just observing that no where does he say a child craves physical discipline. He said children need, want and crave discipline. Discipline (training and teaching) a child is something the child wants, needs and craves from a parent who loves them and whom they love.

There is a word that every child dislikes from a very early age: NO. This might not be something the child wants to hear, but it is definitely something he needs to hear. In time, as the child matures, he learns that a parent says NO as much in love as when they say YES. Discipline, whether a swat on the butt or a time out without any toys or television or playmates is never enjoyable and not meant to be.
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I was spanked as a child when I was being a real brat. I see no harm in it. I was recently in the grocery store and witnessed a child around four years-old having a complete temper tantrum and her mom trying to "reason" with her. That child needed a good spanking....little twat.
 
Rubber Rat said:
I was spanked as a child when I was being a real brat. I see no harm in it. I was recently in the grocery store and witnessed a child around four years-old having a complete temper tantrum and her mom trying to "reason" with her. That child needed a good spanking....little twat.
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Was set up in the park one time and watched a young family come through. Dad, mom and looked to be a 5yr old girl. They stopped at the booth across from us and were looking. The girl saw something that she wanted. Don't know which one of the parents said no, then it happened. Girl flops down to the pavement and starts kicking her legs and screaming at the top of her lungs. The parents just stand there and let her scream and thrash.
 
Few people deserve to be beaten, and none of them are children. But a spanking isn't a beating. A beating is a beating.

And tears are not the marker of abuse. Tears happen plenty when a tot simply is told no. The fountain usually begins anytime a kid is told he will lose a privilege OR the spanking won't be talked away. Certainty of punishment is often enough to trigger tears, and has little to do with a smarting ass.

One kid may burn out in a tantrum while another may escalate in order to provoke. After all, the goal of a tantrum is to get attention until the adult gives up and gives in. Except in rare cases of children with honest-to-god mental (developmental) issues, tantrums stop early because they don't work. When they DO work, it's a sure sign of inept parenting.

In the case in the park just above, it's obvious that 5-year-old is way beyond the age of learning that a tantrum doesn't work. If parents are still struggling with that, then they didn't start teaching it at two when the child first was old enough to learn about cause and effect.

Heck, my neighbor's 3-yr.-old is well on his way to learning what does and doesn't work in getting his way. And, as lovable as the tyke is, he is a handful and one of five. Half his day is one tearful outburst or another, most due to his own rambunctiousness. He gets timeouts, and spankings, and he is learning.
 
All children cry, it is an expression and a reaction.
They express frustration and anger by crying, that is normal.
If crying (not just a few tears) is a result of an inflicted pain from the hands of those who they look to for love and protection I believe
the parent needs to reassess their method.
 
Soilwork said:
I always have a chuckle at people who try to win an argument with me by saying "oh yeah? Well... YOU MAKE PORN".... while posting on an actual Porn site.
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Win an arguement? No. Couldn't care less. But being condescended to by vitriolic superiority ? Yup.
 
Nope. It takes some intellect, patience and creativity from parents to raise a child with avoidance of physical punishment or abuse. In my opinion, finding a creative way to explain a child, why he or she may not act in some inappropriate way is the fun part of being a parent.
 
Natello4 said:
Nope. It takes some intellect, patience and creativity from parents to raise a child with avoidance of physical punishment or abuse. In my opinion, finding a creative way to explain a child, why he or she may not act in some inappropriate way is the fun part of being a parent.
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Yeah, like that's worked over the last couple of generations. Not.
 
I believe that a child should have a HEALTHY fear of provoking their parents' wrath. I have spanked each of my kids exactly once when they were smaller, and that scared them enough to keep them in line.
 
jbrown329 said:
Yeah, like that's worked over the last couple of generations. Not.
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Reading through some of your posts in here you sound similar to those kids you wish to smack so much.
 
Natello4 said:
Nope. It takes some intellect, patience and creativity from parents to raise a child with avoidance of physical punishment or abuse. In my opinion, finding a creative way to explain a child, why he or she may not act in some inappropriate way is the fun part of being a parent.
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My sister managed to do it. And I have gentle, emotionally healthy, successful nieces and nephews who are now raising their own kids in a smack-free zone.
 
So full disclosure.

I stopped getting a spanking when I was just four.

I overheard adults talking about a kid who had received a spanking but wouldn't cry. This seemed to bother the adults.

So the next time that my father spanked me, I just stood there and stared at him without crying.

He never laid a hand on me again.
 
rareboy said:
My sister managed to do it. And I have gentle, emotionally healthy, successful nieces and nephews who are now raising their own kids in a smack-free zone.
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One of my partners and her partner does that as well. It's far from impossible. I didn't/don't spank when I babysit, either. There's plenty of other ways to show a kid they shouldn't do something and have it stick. It can be very difficult to accomplish when you have many children, though.
 
mikey3000 said:
Oh, don't be so dramatic. Discipline and murder are hardly the same.
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No deaths would have occurred if it were not for "punishment" that included the infliction of pain on the young, small, weak and defenceless.

If anyone did to you or any other adult that which you advocate doing to a small, weak and defenceless child, it would be assault, possibly whatever your local equivalent charge is of assault with a deadly weapon, or assault with a weapon, or assault with intent to cause injury at the very least.

Spanking is assault to cause injury; inflicting pain on the small, weak and defenceless is a prerequisite. A spanking isn't a spanking without infliction of pain.

Hitting a child is a barbaric and cowardly act by the morally bankrupt.
 
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