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This sounds like obfuscation to me, casting doubt just for the sake of it.
It isn't. The octopus did not, to our knowledge, experience some abrupt evolutionary leap in intelligence in the past couple of centuries. Yet only in the past few decades has our estimation of its intelligence jumped as we developed new methods for actually trying to measure or test it.
By your logic, the octopus never had any intelligence of any degree until these more recent studies, after all if it had, we would have recognized it.
That does not change the fact that they are not self aware or think abstractly, for example, value placement.
No, which was not my position. It was in regards to the earlier response where it was claimed offhandedly that if any aliens did exist they necessarily would have communicated with us. With of course our sole range of communication being either verbal or symbolic communication, such as might come via a radio signal. So far as we know we can't communicate via scent signals, chemical interactions, telepathy or other methods we may not even be aware of.
Yes.
That's bull. You're now effectively claiming a form of omniscience. Given that our understanding of various animal behaviors are simply hypotheses which are being endlessly revised and refined, you simply stating you can look at any behavior and make a snap judgment about whether intelligence is behind it or what degree of intelligence is behind it is simple posturing. There's neither no way for it to be true nor for you to prove it is.




, maybe because it was got setup as skeptical from the first replier 