Do you consider this rape?

[Jerry]

I'm sure it's been discussed here before, but it's kinda bothering me and I want to talk about it so here goes:

I have this friend who was telling me about his past "gay" experiences.

He says the first experience he had was with a guy who purposely got him really drunk and waited until he passed out. When he woke up, the guy was sucking his dick.

I told him he was basically raped. He said no at first, but now I think he pretty much agrees.

I think this is horrible. I know it's a fantasy thing, sucking a straight guy, all that stuff, but getting in someone's pants without consent is just plain wrong.



So what are your opinions/experiences with this? I think some guys see a blowjob as a lesser sex act (I know Clinton did) and I guess they justify it to themselves somehow. I'm really pissed that someone did that to my friend though.



Rape? Sexual assault?

 

[FLFunBoy]

I'd say it is to an extent. Someone could easily call the cops and have someone arrested for it for sure. One of my friends told me he was at this party and passed out totally fucked up drunk at this party, I have seen him this way, and he is cold to the world, and nothing wakes him up at that point. He said he woke up the next morning a little confused, and he said he was wearing a pair of his friends shorts, which he didn't know how they got on. He told me his ass felt a little weird, but he didn't think much of it, but he had to use the bathroom really bad. So he said he went and used the bathroom, and when he did he shit out a ton of cum. He was freaked out, cause he never has unprotected sex. He confronted his friend that lived there, and the guy admitted that when the others left, he and one other guy couldn't resist, and they both took turns fucking him and both unloaded inside of him. Then the guy supposedly laughed about it. My buddy was upset about it, but didn't turn them in or anything cause he was afraid it would cause his family to find out he was gay, and that was not the way he wanted them to know.

Now I know both of the guys that did it, and let me just tell you, they are both hot as fuck, and they could both cream my ass any day, i wouldn't have to be passed out for that shit, hell i'd pretend to be passed out for them if thats what they wanted!..lol but regardless what the did to that guy was wrong.

 

[braex27]

I'm sure it's been discussed here before, but it's kinda bothering me and I want to talk about it so here goes:

I have this friend who was telling me about his past "gay" experiences.

He says the first experience he had was with a guy who purposely got him really drunk and waited until he passed out. When he woke up, the guy was sucking his dick.

I told him he was basically raped. He said no at first, but now I think he pretty much agrees.

I think this is horrible. I know it's a fantasy thing, sucking a straight guy, all that stuff, but getting in someone's pants without consent is just plain wrong.



So what are your opinions/experiences with this? I think some guys see a blowjob as a lesser sex act (I know Clinton did) and I guess they justify it to themselves somehow. I'm really pissed that someone did that to my friend though.



Rape? Sexual assault?

It depends on where you are, and what the law is exactly but it sounds more like sexual assault than rape... certainly that's what the guy sucking would argue!!

In either case, I do agree with you, regardless of expectation, hope, or fantasy, it is never right to take advantage of someone like that. Your friend was not in a position in which he could have offered consent.

As an aside, I had read about this one case of a woman who was convicted of "sperm theft" cos she got a guy drunk, and either sucked or jerked him off and sought to impregnate herself with his sperm. *shudder*

 

[Lukeee]

Yes, I see it as rape. Even if it was someone I liked, if they were capable of doing something like that to me I don't think I would like them anymore.

 

[SamsDad]

Personally, I feel that was rape, but it was definitely a sexual assault. In all or almost all jurisdictions in the States, rape requires penetration of the victim.

Roger

 

[BearMagus]

It was sexual assault unless your friend woke up and let the guy keep sucking him. If he protested that is one thing. If he continued to let it happen, then I think it would be consent.

 

[Orlandude]

Rape Law & Legal Definition




In the United States, rape is the most serious form of sexual assault punishable by law, but the definition of what constitutes rape varies from state to state. In all states, if a man forcibly subjects a woman who is not his wife to sexual intercourse without her consent, he has committed the crime of rape.
Recently, an increasing number of states have passed rape reform laws to define rape to include certain nonconsensual incidents of intercourse without requiring the use of force as well as the rape of one’s spouse. Any sexual intercourse with a child is rape and in most states sexual relations even with consent involving a girl 14 to 18 is "statutory rape," because of the lack of the child's capacity to consent. Rape may also be found when a person has sex with a victim who is deemed legally incapable of consenting if she or he is known to be mentally incompetent, intoxicated, or drugged.

 

[ramses04]

you're right bear unless there were other circumstances that prevented a protest.

 

[bankside]

Rape Law & Legal Definition




In the United States, rape is the most serious form of sexual assault punishable by law, but the definition of what constitutes rape varies from state to state. In all states, if a man forcibly subjects a woman who is not his wife to sexual intercourse without her consent, he has committed the crime of rape.
Recently, an increasing number of states have passed rape reform laws to define rape to include certain nonconsensual incidents of intercourse without requiring the use of force as well as the rape of one’s spouse. Any sexual intercourse with a child is rape and in most states sexual relations even with consent involving a girl 14 to 18 is "statutory rape," because of the lack of the child's capacity to consent. Rape may also be found when a person has sex with a victim who is deemed legally incapable of consenting if she or he is known to be mentally incompetent, intoxicated, or drugged.

When I read that definition it basically says that if you are married to the person, then intercourse without consent is okay! That is barbaric. Literally the product of a raving dark-ages theocrat in a tent in Afghanistan. Actually Afghanistan is better than that. We (Canada and other civilised countries) basically ordered them to change a proposed law that would have allowed a man to rape his wife. So they changed it and slid it through over the last week. Now in Afghanistan, the man may not sleep with her without consent, but he can starve her until she consents.

In Canada that is not the case. No consent = rape / sexual assault. (The legal term is "sexual assault" but otherwise the same thing). And the victim in the first post was a victim of sexual assault / rape.

 

[bulge]

I'm sure it's been discussed here before, but it's kinda bothering me and I want to talk about it so here goes:

I have this friend who was telling me about his past "gay" experiences.

He says the first experience he had was with a guy who purposely got him really drunk and waited until he passed out. When he woke up, the guy was sucking his dick.

I told him he was basically raped. He said no at first, but now I think he pretty much agrees.

I think this is horrible. I know it's a fantasy thing, sucking a straight guy, all that stuff, but getting in someone's pants without consent is just plain wrong.



So what are your opinions/experiences with this? I think some guys see a blowjob as a lesser sex act (I know Clinton did) and I guess they justify it to themselves somehow. I'm really pissed that someone did that to my friend though.



Rape? Sexual assault?

No, as long as he did not catch an STD from it. When a STD is transmitted, I see it as rape, even with consent, as everybody has the duty to control himself regularly when having sex and to only have sex when he is sure he cann't transmit any disease.

 

[bulge]

I'd say it is to an extent. Someone could easily call the cops and have someone arrested for it for sure. One of my friends told me he was at this party and passed out totally fucked up drunk at this party, I have seen him this way, and he is cold to the world, and nothing wakes him up at that point. He said he woke up the next morning a little confused, and he said he was wearing a pair of his friends shorts, which he didn't know how they got on. He told me his ass felt a little weird, but he didn't think much of it, but he had to use the bathroom really bad. So he said he went and used the bathroom, and when he did he shit out a ton of cum. He was freaked out, cause he never has unprotected sex. He confronted his friend that lived there, and the guy admitted that when the others left, he and one other guy couldn't resist, and they both took turns fucking him and both unloaded inside of him. Then the guy supposedly laughed about it. My buddy was upset about it, but didn't turn them in or anything cause he was afraid it would cause his family to find out he was gay, and that was not the way he wanted them to know.

Now I know both of the guys that did it, and let me just tell you, they are both hot as fuck, and they could both cream my ass any day, i wouldn't have to be passed out for that shit, hell i'd pretend to be passed out for them if thats what they wanted!..lol but regardless what the did to that guy was wrong.

I see this as rape.

 

[wastingmymind]

100% rape.

 

[Hellax24]

I'd say it is to an extent. Someone could easily call the cops and have someone arrested for it for sure. One of my friends told me he was at this party and passed out totally fucked up drunk at this party, I have seen him this way, and he is cold to the world, and nothing wakes him up at that point. He said he woke up the next morning a little confused, and he said he was wearing a pair of his friends shorts, which he didn't know how they got on. He told me his ass felt a little weird, but he didn't think much of it, but he had to use the bathroom really bad. So he said he went and used the bathroom, and when he did he shit out a ton of cum. He was freaked out, cause he never has unprotected sex. He confronted his friend that lived there, and the guy admitted that when the others left, he and one other guy couldn't resist, and they both took turns fucking him and both unloaded inside of him. Then the guy supposedly laughed about it. My buddy was upset about it, but didn't turn them in or anything cause he was afraid it would cause his family to find out he was gay, and that was not the way he wanted them to know.

Now I know both of the guys that did it, and let me just tell you, they are both hot as fuck, and they could both cream my ass any day, i wouldn't have to be passed out for that shit, hell i'd pretend to be passed out for them if thats what they wanted!..lol but regardless what the did to that guy was wrong.

Ummmmmm...This is rape. Because these two guys are hawt it's acceptable?

You want the same thing done to you by these guys? This could lead to a whole bunch of STD's and you want this?

 

[blackbeltninja]

I think it as near as dammit to rape.

-d-

 

[CGHJ]

OK the first one is def sexual assault. If I woke up and it was a friend or someone I liked or thought was hot, I'd let him keep going and there would be no problem. If I had a party and I woke up with some marine I didn't know was sucking my dick because he was curious, I'd have a new best friend. However if it was some troll in a trench coat, there would be another kind of assault involved, when I broke his nose.

The second one where they both unloaded in his ass...def rape but there'd be no need to press charges because they'd never find the bodies. If they did, there'd be a lot of rectal tearing. I don't care if it was Brad Pitt and Channing Tatum taking turns, they'd end up buried in the desert.

 

[Storybook_Man]

I'm sure it's been discussed here before, but it's kinda bothering me and I want to talk about it so here goes:

I have this friend who was telling me about his past "gay" experiences.

He says the first experience he had was with a guy who purposely got him really drunk and waited until he passed out. When he woke up, the guy was sucking his dick.

I told him he was basically raped. He said no at first, but now I think he pretty much agrees.

I think this is horrible. I know it's a fantasy thing, sucking a straight guy, all that stuff, but getting in someone's pants without consent is just plain wrong.



So what are your opinions/experiences with this? I think some guys see a blowjob as a lesser sex act (I know Clinton did) and I guess they justify it to themselves somehow. I'm really pissed that someone did that to my friend though.



Rape? Sexual assault?

However that I think this is sexual assault, I believe him not being conscious is also another form of without consent so it could be called rape, however the guy who was non conscious, wasn't being penatrated so I would just say it is sexual assault, especially since he drank the alcohol on his own. But I also say what the hell, you were GETTING head so whats the point? lol But I am sorry about your friend and this experience.

No, as long as he did not catch an STD from it. When a STD is transmitted, I see it as rape, even with consent, as everybody has the duty to control himself regularly when having sex and to only have sex when he is sure he cann't transmit any disease.

I believe this is bs, receiving an STD from having sex with someone while it was consented does not consider rape. It is both persons fault for not practicing safe sex, but of course it is mostly the person with the STD's fault as they are expected and supposed to tell their partner that they have an STD.

 

[bankside]

Is "penetration" seriously a factor in what constitutes a sexual assault in the jurisdiction you live in? Any thoughts on why this would be?

 

[SamsDad]

Is "penetration" seriously a factor in what constitutes a sexual assault in the jurisdiction you live in? Any thoughts on why this would be?

No. Penetration is a major factor in what constitutes rape.

 

[Jerry]

Yes, I have some free time on my hands ...

I noticed that the profile of Milboy, the original poster, says he's in Texas. Here's what the Texas Statutes say:

22.011. SEXUAL ASSAULT. A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly: (A) causes the penetration of the anus or sexual organ of another person by any means, without that person's consent; (B) causes the penetration of the mouth of another person by the sexual organ of the actor, without that person's consent; or (C) causes the sexual organ of another person, without that person's consent, to contact or penetrate the mouth, anus, or sexual organ of another person, including the actor.

A sexual assault is without the consent of the other person if: (1) the actor compels the other person to submit or participate by the use of physical force or violence; (2) the actor compels the other person to submit or participate by threatening to use force or violence against the other person, and the other person believes that the actor has the present ability to execute the threat; (3) the other person has not consented and the actor knows the other person is unconscious or physically unable to resist; (4) the actor knows that as a result of mental disease or defect the other person is at the time of the sexual assault incapable either of appraising the nature of the act or of resisting it; (5) the other person has not consented and the actor knows the other person is unaware that the sexual assault is occurring; and blah blah blah, six more clauses that aren't pertinent to this discussion.

Assuming this incident took place in Texas, your friend was sexually assaulted under state law.

Cheers,
DL

Hahahaha well thanks for doing the research!

My friend is "over it" I guess, he just told me about it since we were getting into a relationship with each other and we were sharing some experiences.

He said that was his first ever sexual experience with a guy and it kind of left him not knowing what to think. Since then he had one other experience with a guy, also not very pleasant. I met him as friends and we progressed from there.
He says that after me, he'll never be with a guy again. He didn't really explain, but I feel lucky that I was the one lucky guy to have him for a while. He's awesome!!


That guy who woke up to find out he'd been raped by two guys bareback, all I know is if that were me I'd be in prison for double homicide right now. That's wrong no matter how hot you are, how gay you are, or anything else. I wouldn't even have sex like that with a regular sexual partner. Nothing makes that ok.

 

[jaycee style]

the saddest thing is the victoms of these RAPES are too humiliated and/or shocked to immediatly press charges on these RAPISTS.

liek one of my ex's her second daughter is the product of drunk rape from her ex guy in new york who still had the key to her crib and just waltzed in while she was passed out drunk and RAPED her.

and another friend i had about a 2 month fling with,

one of homegirls that likes girls and kept hitting her all the time even though girl number 1 doesnt like girls made this very clear everytime.

we were all hella drunk and starting to crash out, and she started licking her vagina while she was passed out.

she woke up and stopped her and all the yelling woke me up and i couldn't convince her to press charges.

within the next week, the RAPIST girl was kicking the victom out of the apartment and moving back to indiana.

i hate RAPISTS

and yes what happened to your homeboy was RAPE.