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Do You Feel Guilty Owning A Car?

I ride a motorcycle and I go through about $10 worth every two weeks.

I think people who drive SUVs should be ashamed of themselves unless they ACTUALLY NEED a car that big. Seeing one guy driving a monstrosity like that is just silly.
 
One thing that bugs me is when my holier-than-thou hippie friend makes condescending comments about me owning a car, but is forever bumming rides.

When transit goes from my house to where I'm going, when I'm going and does so without any transfers, in reasonable time, without lunatics or stinky people and with plenty room for my hockey goalie equipment, then I'll ride a bus.
 
I love having a car!
I think we're all getting screwed by someone though
 
greaves said:
Is it not time for car owners to admit they are polluting the planet, and to find alternative ways to travel? [-X
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Your profile says you live in London, you have everything you could ever need RIGHT THERE. I live in a small town in the US. We don't have a shoe store here. We have ONE hospital, but it's more of a triage center. There is no where here to have surgery, to my knowledge you can't get a pair of glasses here, there's no college or university here, no GOOD resturaunts, no theatre, no BUS STATION, no taxis, VERY LITTLE of anything. The nearest town is about 20 miles away. If you go outside of city limits, it's not an uncommon thing for houses to be 4 or 5 miles apart.

My everyday commute is about 50 total miles, between my house and where I attend college. What would YOU suggest I do to stop "polluting" the planet, and still get to class everyday??

Big industrial factories create A LOT more pollution than vehicles going around the planet. Hell, if you want to target drivers, maybe you should also speak out about air lines and trucking companies. After all, people can always walk across a continent or ride a bike.

Maybe you should start a post, asking if it's time for arrogant misinformed people to get a life.​
 
greaves said:
Is it not time for car owners to admit they are polluting the planet, and to find alternative ways to travel? [-X
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dude
you must be kidding, right? cause i don't feel guilty at all. ;)
 
greaves said:
I've used a bycycle, walking or public transport to get around.
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You mean the bicycle that you built with your own two hands out of wood and hemp?
 
Well since my house has 7 cars at it and 3 of them are huge SUVS (2 Denalis and an H2) yea I don't feel guilty at all :D
 
Why on earth would I feel guilty for owning a car? Without it, I couldn't go to the store and buy food or go to the doctor. There is no public transportation in the country and I don't own a horse and buggy. I don't want to walk 25 miles to the doctor or 5 miles to the grocery store. A car is a blessing.
 
I own a car out of neccessity. The meager public transportation rovided where I am does not work with my employment. Further, I'll need my car to help me when I move. I plan to get rid of it when I settle into a new place, but for economic reasons only.
 
Guilty? No.

When I lived in San Francisco, the cable car ran in front of my building and I parked my car for over a year before I sold it.

I no longer live in San Francisco.

Mass transit in my area consists of:
A train into NYC. The train station is 4 miles from my house.
A bus into NYC. The bus stop is 6 miles from my house.

That's all, folks.
No taxis, no subways, no local bus service, no Streetcars Named Desire...

Need to go to the airport, doctor, dentist, grocery shopping, any place else?
If you can't drive, you can't get there. Period.
 
I do live in Amish-land Pennsylvania and have been thinking about converting to Amish so I can get one of them nifty buggies, but then I'd have all that horseshit to sweep up.....

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Absolutely not. I must have a car to work and attend school every day. I wish my old clunker was more fuel efficient, however, I take great care to drive only out of necessity.
 
There have been 44 responses to this thread so far. 25 of these have come from the USA. Another 5 from Canada. And most of these say they feel no guilt about owning/using a car.

The world's top polluter is the the USA, and it still refuses to sign up to the Kyoto Treaty to which 140+ countries have signed up to. President Bush has clearly stated that he has no intention of changing this policy.

Why am I reminded of the phrase "Burying your head in the sand."? [-X
 
greaves said:
The world's top polluter is the the USA, and it still refuses to sign up to the Kyoto Treaty to which 140+ countries have signed up to.
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Is that per capita, or overall? There are a hell of a lot more of us than there are of you-all, y'know. And we are considerably more industrialized than most other industrial nations (how many American cars are there on the streets of London?)

Yes, we drive more, because we have a lot farther to go... the entire nation of Great Britain would fit into the State of California several times and still have room to rattle around; the entirety of Western Europe is smaller than Texas.

Industry is currently in control of our government, and has been for some time... money talks in this joint; please remember when you say "the US" and "Bush," it's not necessarily the same thing. No American president is ever going to sign anything that will limit the profitability of his own supporters. This will only change when the American populace gets fed up with this corruption, which I don't think will happen until and unless our economy collapses.

Look, I agree that the pollution issue is escalating and that car-culture is contributing heavily to it; I also agree that being wasteful of resources is stupid, driving SUVs or classic cars that get no gas mileage whatever not only speeds the inevitable process but also has a let-them-eat-cake tone that sets a lot of people's backs up.

However, there are limits to how much responsibility I am willing to take. My sense of responsibility to the planet extends as far as recycling my refuse and buying recycled products whenever possible; it extends to using pump bottles instead of aerosol for my personal grooming and house-cleaning products; it extends to avoiding the use of paper whenever plausible; it extends to having a car that gets good gas mileage, and keeping it in good enough repair to maintain that mileage; but it does not extend to the monumental inconvenience of buying organic vegetables three at a time and schlepping them home, a mile uphill from the nearest grocery, on foot or a bicycle. It does not extend to tripling my commute time in order to save the world a quarter-gallon of gas... I have better things to do with my time.

My head is not in the sand... I simply have a limited number of shits to give.
 
I don't, beacuse I don't own a car. Despite probably being the person who needs one more than anyone else on this board.

I understand why they are, sadly, necessary. But I still think that there are things you can do to lessen the impact. Like not driving a 4-Track/SUV unles you really, really need one.

If you're a farmer who spends half your day driving offroad, you probably do need one. You don't need one to just take your brats to school.

We call them "Chelsea tractors"
 
I have tried public transportation, and it does not suit me at all. I wouldn't mind trying a hybrid car.

I think the real problem lies with the oil companies & the auto manufacturers, along with our governments.

It really is time to SERIOUSLY explore cleaner, more efficient fuels, not just dabble or talk about it.
 
Robert~Marlénè said:
Is that per capita, or overall? There are a hell of a lot more of us than there are of you-all, y'know. And we are considerably more industrialized than most other industrial nations (how many American cars are there on the streets of London?)

Yes, we drive more, because we have a lot farther to go... the entire nation of Great Britain would fit into the State of California several times and still have room to rattle around; the entirety of Western Europe is smaller than Texas.

Industry is currently in control of our government, and has been for some time... money talks in this joint; please remember when you say "the US" and "Bush," it's not necessarily the same thing. No American president is ever going to sign anything that will limit the profitability of his own supporters. This will only change when the American populace gets fed up with this corruption, which I don't think will happen until and unless our economy collapses.

Look, I agree that the pollution issue is escalating and that car-culture is contributing heavily to it; I also agree that being wasteful of resources is stupid, driving SUVs or classic cars that get no gas mileage whatever not only speeds the inevitable process but also has a let-them-eat-cake tone that sets a lot of people's backs up.

However, there are limits to how much responsibility I am willing to take. My sense of responsibility to the planet extends as far as recycling my refuse and buying recycled products whenever possible; it extends to using pump bottles instead of aerosol for my personal grooming and house-cleaning products; it extends to avoiding the use of paper whenever plausible; it extends to having a car that gets good gas mileage, and keeping it in good enough repair to maintain that mileage; but it does not extend to the monumental inconvenience of buying organic vegetables three at a time and schlepping them home, a mile uphill from the nearest grocery, on foot or a bicycle. It does not extend to tripling my commute time in order to save the world a quarter-gallon of gas... I have better things to do with my time.

My head is not in the sand... I simply have a limited number of shits to give.
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Never heard of internet shopping? My organic foods (along with most of my requirements) are delivered to my door. And this leaves me lots of time to do the shopping I really do enjoy.
 
greaves said:
Never heard of internet shopping? My organic foods (along with most of my requirements) are delivered to my door. And this leaves me lots of time to do the shopping I really do enjoy.
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So instead of driving a little car around to pick up your stuff, you prefer it to come to your house in a big ol' gas-guzzling box truck? Gotcha! ;) Nah, just kidding.

I think I understand where you're coming from, but most cities in the US are just not designed for or equipped with convenient public transportation. My poor little town is only about 16,000 (on a good day!) and my campus is situated about 7 miles outside town. There is public transport aside from the geriatric bus. Most places this size are that way. Besides, I want to go where I want to go when I want to go there with whatever side trips I think of on my way. I'm selfish that way.
 
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