Do you think the Israelis and the Palestinians will STOP killing each other in your lifetime?

[blackbeltninja]

ugh...yet another thread on Israel and Palastine.

Should this not be in CE&P?

Unless you live there and actually know what's really going on, no one has any credibility in commenting on this cluster fuck.
I'm really confused as to why people always feel qualified to offer their view on this situation when it does not pertain to them and that they do not fully understand, other than what is spun in the media.

So wait, unless any item of news anywhere in the entire world actually involves us directly, we're not supposed to have an opinion on it?




Gosh.

-d-

 

[pat grimshaw]

...acting like Nazi's!

Today the Israeli Nazis were deliberately shelling hospitals.

Yeah--this will never end.

You taxes are being used to fund the Israelis to ensure it will never end. Your government is sending THREE BILLION to them every year.

...how large was this influx, and from where?..

It started here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Exodus

...Unless you live there and actually know what's really going on, no one has any credibility in commenting on this cluster fuck...
I'm really confused as to why people always feel qualified to offer their view on this situation when it does not pertain to them..

You need to ask why your taxes are being used to pay the Israelis to prolong the bloodshed.

 

[ElmosToe]

^my taxes also go to the Palastinians.

My taxes go to many things that I question and do not approve of.

You referring to Israelis as Nazis proves my previous point to be true and invalidates anything you have to say about this issue, seeing as how you are not a US citizen and do not live in Israel or Palastine. You have a very clear and pronounced bias, my question is where does that bias come from?

 

[pat grimshaw]

^
Well, my leaders didn't consult me when they decided to give $54.8 million away this year to the Palestinians.

http://aid.dfat.gov.au/countries/Pages/default.aspx

 

[Telstra]

^
Well, my leaders didn't consult me when they decided to give $54.8 million away this year to the Palestinians.

http://aid.dfat.gov.au/countries/Pages/default.aspx

Pat, it is for food, medicine, shelter ... etc.
No need to consult you or any citizen.

 

[LilBit]

Whereas the Levant has known periods of peace, the seeds of the conflict go back at least as far as the conquest of Canaan by the Hebrews those millennia ago. The Old Testament accounts go out of their way to explain the roots of the enmity between Arab and Jew, and how it came to be.

The Levant has known more than "periods of peace." The Roman and Ottoman Empires ruled that land for about two millennia, and during that time internal conflict was minimal. Most fighting in that area came in the form of outside invaders, particularly Crusaders and Mongol invasions. When the Crusaders came, they weren't seen as Christian invaders; they were seen as European (or, to use less anachronistic language) Western invaders. Local Christians were just as opposed to these invasions as were the Muslim and Jewish residents of the region.

I've not heard of either side using Old Testament enmity as an excuse for the current conflict; that kind of talk seems to come almost exclusively from the West.

The Europeans have manipulated just about all the vassal states at one time or another, but then again, so did the other great powers. That doesn't spell never-ending war.

Not sure what this has to do with the topic... I'm talking about European SETTLEMENT, not European political interference.

Israel is accountable for the present state of affairs and her continued belligerent actions to the settlements (while playing the martyr) is at the root of the cycle of violence. Even though the teen murders were provocation for the immediate violence at hand, the festering Palestinian plight is the reason there is so much fuel lying around to feed this fire.

On this point I won't disagree.

So is there anything WE should be doing about it?

Stop supporting the Israeli military, hold our media accountable to give an honest portrayal of the events, hold Israel and Hamas accountable for their actions... Not exactly things that individuals can accomplish, but a collective voice could have a positive effect.

Was the Roman empire not quite heavily made up of European peoples? I'll admit to having very little knowledge of history - my educational background was heavily science and pre-engineering based - but I thought this was the case.

Also, the place in question is not all that big - how large was this influx, and from where?

-d-

The Roman Empire, like the Ottoman Empire, was a pretty loose structure, and administration was largely left to local communities. Unlike portions of the French and British Empires, these earlier empires had virtually no settlements in the lands they ruled. The people who lived in Palestine were largely indigenous to the region.

For the second question, see below.

It started here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Exodus

That was actually a later wave of Zionist immigration. Large-scale Jewish immigration began in 1882. http://www.focus-migration.de/Israel.5246.0.html?&L=1

 

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[Ganymede4]

To the topic: I say between no and a hell to fucking no

 

[pat grimshaw]

From what little I've read, the population dynamics in Israel favours those who are producing offspring the fasted. These happen to be the more fundamentalist factions in their society. ….

That's happening in my country too. Dumb people breed more. The future isn't good.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

That's happening in my country too. Dumb people breed more. The future isn't good.

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[smokeshadow]

Interesting op ed piece on the problem: http://americablog.com/2014/07/want-peace-israel-evict-god.html

 

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[RaKroma]

From what little I've read, the population dynamics in Israel favours those who are producing offspring the fasted. These happen to be the more fundamentalist factions in their society. Already, those ultra conservative, often religious blocks are producing offspring at a faster rate than the general moderate sector of society. Within the next 50 years, they could form for the first time, a majority in their country. A jewish ultranationalistic ultra orthodox religious majority will probably change their country into a theocratic society armed with nuclear technology. The arabs will be crushed and the world will look on, unable to intercede as they have so long been reluctant to do. We'll be looking forward to a world of internecine religious warfare, David vs. the Goliath of Islam.

You need to study Israeli society and Jewish "fundamentalists" before you make completely off the mark assessments. For one, Jewish fundamentalists do not support the current state until the coming of Messiah because they reject any form of Jewish country without Messiah. They refuse to serve in the military, refuse to assimilate into general culture. So how did you come to a conclusion that they will control nukes in the future? Don't confuse religious Jews with Islamists in Gaza who are ready to sacrifice their last living child in their "resistance" against Jews. Israel is no Pakistan with nukes.
While there is an ongoing war in Gaza, it is the Israeli military that is coordinating daily transfer of injured Palestinian civilians in Gaza to be treated by Jews in Israeli hospitals. The day when Palestinians under their radical Islamist leadership will start having the same attitude towards Israelis, there might be peace. Until then, there is no incentive for Palestinians to take control and responsibility of their own actions when UN, EU, Gulf States and U.S. continue funding their terror infrastructure mascaraed as humanitarian aid.

There are over 250,000 dead Arabs in Syria under terror of clan warfare, countless mass massacres of Iraqis under ISIS terrorists seeping control of that country, blowing up mosques and burning down last remaining churches, Boko Haram terrorizing Africa with their Jihad and the U.N. is busy debating poor Gaza while Gazan's use UNRWA schools and hospitals as their bases to launch missiles into Israeli cities while at the same time crying that their own civilians are dying. It isn't the fundamentalist Israelis that refused the Egyptian proposed ceasefire but the Hamas which received sweeping support from their population in Gaza.

 

[nafhoosier]

I don't like seeing civilians killed, on either side.

In a perfect world, we'd all get everything we want. But it's not a perfect world, and everybody has to make compromises and sacrifices. Hamas should recognize Israel's existence and stop shooting rockets!!!! If Hamas truly thinks Israel is a "horrible terror" - it'll put it's weapons down. Then we can make judgments about how "horrible" Israel is (but one million bucks says Israel will immediately back off!). But they keep on firing the missiles, and no, I don't think that their living situation or Israel's expansion of the settlements justifies putting Israel's citizens in danger.

There are many groups of people suffering in the world, but I've never seen as much hate and bloodthirstiness as I have from Hamas and many Palestinians. Makes me sick, and I'd never want to live in a society ruled by them.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

I don't like seeing civilians killed, on either side.

In a perfect world, we'd all get everything we want. But it's not a perfect world, and everybody has to make compromises and sacrifices. Hamas should recognize Israel's existence and stop shooting rockets!!!! If Hamas truly thinks Israel is a "horrible terror" - it'll put it's weapons down. Then we can make judgments about how "horrible" Israel is (but one million bucks says Israel will immediately back off!). But they keep on firing the missiles, and no, I don't think that their living situation or Israel's expansion of the settlements justifies putting Israel's citizens in danger.

There are many groups of people suffering in the world, but I've never seen as much hate and bloodthirstiness as I have from Hamas and many Palestinians. Makes me sick, and I'd never want to live in a society ruled by them.

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[pat grimshaw]

…. Hamas should recognize Israel's existence ...but I've never seen as much hate and bloodthirstiness as I have from Hamas and many Palestinians. ....

Do you think we should be blaming the Palestinians?

 

[nafhoosier]

Do you think we should be blaming the Palestinians?

I don't blame Palestinians.

I blame Hamas.

They are not the same. Not saying you are one, but all Hamas supporters in the US who happen to be gay should be shipped to Gaza. They wouldn't last a night.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I don't blame Palestinians.

I blame Hamas.

They are not the same. Not saying you are one, but all Hamas supporters in the US who happen to be gay should be shipped to Gaza. They wouldn't last a night.

A refusal to side with Israel is not support for Hamas.

That's Israel's consistent propaganda position.

 

[frankfrank]

Absolutely not.

These are religious wars.

With few exceptions, religious wars tend to be eternal, or close to it. (How did they stop the warfare between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland, anyway? That's an exception.)

 

[nafhoosier]

A refusal to side with Israel is not support for Hamas.

That's Israel's consistent propaganda position.

Do you support missile strikes against Israel and it's civilians simply for "living there"? Do you support rocket attacks? Do you refuse to acknowledge Jewish self determination within a fair piece of land in the Middle East while supporting full Palestinian self determination? Sorry, I'm the biggest gay WASP there is, but I know hypocrites and anti-semites when I see them!