Doctor Who Season 3

[mike_n_herrin]

/\ well...i was going to say it was just ok...but i didn't want to get yelled at.

i personally don't think it was the worse of the new series, i think that was age of steel from last season.

 

[Angelfan]

The worst of the new series I've seen was the one with Marc Warren which I switched off less than half way through as it was so bad.

 

[Robert098]

Russell T.Davis has no conception on what Dr Who is about. He has totally degraded the character of the Doctor into a 'soap' opera character hanging around on earth and mixing with chav culture. The scripts are dreadful and his plots go no where. as for David Tennant, the man is totally talentless! He thinks pulling stupid faces into the camera passes as characterisation, well it doesn't. It just makes me switch off and find something better to watch on DVD. This 'new' conception seems to rely entirely on special-fx to keep the thing going. The best thing the BBC could do is sack messers Davis and Tennant and start afresh and get the show back on track to what it should be, good acting, plots that have a beginning, middle and end, and a good scripts. Dr Who has never worked in a 50 min slot, they tried it back in the 80's (although all the 80's stuff leaves a lot to be desired!) and it was crap.

 

[screwnutty]

Wow. Sack Russell T Davis. Sack David Tennant. The stories suck, the time frame sucks and Daleks in Manhattan sucked?!?!?!

I have to disagree and so do the million of UK viewers that turn into the show every week. I grew up with the Tom Baker storylines and don't get me wrong I loved Tom Baker. But this new series kicks it butt 10x over. I just can't believe that whovian fans are whinning about the show, the doctor and the plot lines? First off it's a two parter so it didn't explain everthing cause it's a two parter.

I don't know, maybe BBC should just close down Doctor Who and let it sit on the shelf for 150 years and then bring it back. That way all us whovians will be long gone and the show can start fresh with a new generation. It's apparent that we don't deserve the show and when it went off the air in 1989. Maybe it should have stated there. It's Doctor Who and sure it's never going to get to the point where most whovians liked it when they watched it. But thankfully I can barely remember Baker's era, so I'm loving this new series. I'm loving David Tennant. I know he doesn't wank the cranks of any of the users of JUB here. BUt to me he's smart sexy and really nice on the eyes. I love it when he makes those "stupid faces". I remember the Baker era relying entirely on rubber suits for special FX's

Here's a concept to all you whovians who hate the new series. Don't watch it!! Find something else and just forget about Doctor Who. But alas, what would you have to complain about if you did that right?

 

[Irish Queer]

The one problem I have with the cioncept of the new Doctor is that so far he and Rose fell in Love and now Martha has a thing for him and he has yet to realise it.

Now don't get me wrong we can have love aboard the Tardis its just there are various degrees of it. I would have really liked Martha and the Doctor to be two hurt souls they have lost some1 special and in turn they heal each other. A plantonic friendship I feel is better after the 2 years we had with Rose that keeps it fresh.

OK this on review as I tape the episode was not the strongest Dalek episode however it was still better than New Earth and Tooth and Claw. Its a 2 parter the second part always seems stronger and I supposed if we reviewed older episodes wer are bond to find weaker Dalek episodes there too nothing is prefect.

Stop the RTD hate the man brought back Doctor Who he just had to bring it into the 21st century. He has done an overall good job because he is a fan remember in his show Quuer as Folk 1 of the guys loved Doctor Who and wanted a Boyfriend who could name all the Doctors.

 

[Robert098]

Wow. Sack Russell T Davis. Sack David Tennant. The stories suck, the time frame sucks and Daleks in Manhattan sucked?!?!?!

Yep, that's right sack both of them. Neither know how to do their jobs

I have to disagree and so do the million of UK viewers that turn into the show every week.

It's not surprising really considering how much publicity the BBC has put behind the series. The last two series has had almost as many Radio Times covers (if not more with the variant covers) as the original 1963 -1989 run.

TV viewer are very easily pleased, they think 'Soap Opera' is high drama. Because of the everyday rubbish TV is serving up it no surprise that they think something as mediocre as the 'New' Dr Who as special. Millions of viewers is no argument to it's popularity as I think you will find the William Hartnell B+W episodes were pulling in more viewers a week.

I grew up with the Tom Baker storylines and don't get me wrong I loved Tom Baker..

Well I won't hold that against you

But this new series kicks it butt 10x over I just can't believe that whovian fans are whinning about the show, the doctor and the plot lines?

Only because of the special FX, the only thing to improve on the show by 100%

First off it's a two parter so it didn't explain everthing cause it's a two parter.

And so was the last Dalek story, and the time before that, and the plot still didn't go anywhere on either.

It's apparent that we don't deserve the show and when it went off the air in 1989. Maybe it should have stated there.

I agree with you as Dr Who was already dead in the water due to the miss casting of the role on the last three occasions. The 1996 film proved a disaster and again proved the role should not be played by a younger actor.

It's Doctor Who

Only in theme tune and title.

But thankfully I can barely remember Baker's era

Which in many ways is a good thing. Tom over stayed his welcome by 4 years, his period in the role from 1977 -1981 is best forgotten.

I'm loving David Tennant. I know he doesn't wank the cranks of any of the users of JUB here. BUt to me he's smart sexy and really nice on the eyes.

ah, you see that's the point. That is totally what the show isn't about, the Doctor is not meant to be a sexy character

I love it when he makes those "stupid faces".

Yes, Tom Baker too pulled many faces and was more Harpo Marx than Time Lord at times. But when he was on form, he can leave Tennant standing, stupid faces and all.

I remember the Baker era relying entirely on rubber suits for special FX's

Your forgetting one thing. The BBC wasn't throwing the money at the show like it is now. They simply didn't have the budget then to spend on special effects, nor did they have the technology. Take away the CGI from the new series and you will be left with the rubber monsters again.

Here's a concept to all you whovians who hate the new series. Don't watch it!! Find something else and just forget about Doctor Who.

I don't watch it, I find something better to watch on DVD. I sat through all of the Eccleston series (big mistake) in the hope of improvement. Waste of time him having the Tardis, he never got out of the Solar System, seemed to like it in Rose's flat rather than travelling in time and space. I have seen one Tennant episode in the hope that he was better than Eccleston, he wasn't. I have since seen 10 minutes an episode from this current series, I switched off and have not tuned in again

But alas, what would you have to complain about if you did that right?

My only complaint is all the hype over such a mediocre TV show. Great special FX, no complaint there, it's just the rest of it that leaves a lot to be desired.

But each to his own, you enjoy it and that's all that should matter to you

 

[mike_n_herrin]

/\ OMG ok...well i don't agree with you at all.

Man, to me it almost sounds as though you aren't exactly a doctor who fan, but a fan of one or two of the actors that played the lead role. You just said the last 3 doctors of the original series were miscast (so i'm guessing you didn't like them), you said the same about the doctor from the movie, then said tom baker over stayed his welcome by 4 years (virtually NO one I know agree with that, Baker is by far the favorite doctor, holey cow don't say you didn't like Sarah Jane or Romana(s)), and went on to say you have only seen one episode of DT's doctor. From your avatar I hope you are a Troughton fan, but dude I just can't see how you are a doctor who fan and have apparently disliked the last 7 doctors.

Each actor has played the role differently. It's perfectly reasonable to have a favorite and least favorite doctor...but to apparently dislike the last seven...wow. I don't think the doctor is supposed to be any one thing...each regen is going to be different. While i agree i think some have been really young, it doesn't necessarily follow that they can't be handsome fellas.

Please don't take my post here the wrong way, but I'm just shocked.

It's my personal opinion that the traditional Who fans who dislike the show were kids when they used to watch the show and are trying to take a kids show and force it to fit their modern idea of what a scifi show should be. The kids are the ones we should be looking at to see if they like it and from all reports kids do like it. That some adults like it also is just icing on the cake.

 

[screwnutty]

It's my personal opinion that the traditional Who fans who dislike the show were kids when they used to watch the show and are trying to take a kids show and force it to fit their modern idea of what a scifi show should be. The kids are the ones we should be looking at to see if they like it and from all reports kids do like it. That some adults like it also is just icing on the cake.

Agreed! Everywhere I turn I hear people bad mouthing RT and David Tennant. But ever week there back badmouthing the next episode. God If i hated the show I would stop watching it and I would certainly not complain in threads regarding it (I'm not talking about this thread...I'm talking about other Doctor Who threads on other sites)

Me...I'm just happy Doctor Who is back. It was a big thing during my 6 to 7 years of life on this planet. I can barely remember anything about baker but his smile and the Scarf. Oh k-9 too.

I like the stories so far....sure some are weaker then the others but there all great cause there Doctor Who. I laughed really hard during "Daleks in Manhattan" episode when the Doctor meets up with Martha and frank and says...."yeah...well you can kiss me later. You too frank if you want?"

I love Doctor Who!

 

[Robert098]

/\ OMG ok...well i don't agree with you at all.

I wasn't expecting you to

Man, to me it almost sounds as though you aren't exactly a doctor who fan, but a fan of one or two of the actors that played the lead role.

I consider myself to be a fan, but with a cut off point, I don't like watching if there is nothing to enjoy watching. I am a fan of Dr.Who from 1963 - 1977. The first four actors were, in my opinion only, the best in role.

You just said the last 3 doctors of the original series were miscast (so i'm guessing you didn't like them)

Peter Davison was miscast because he was too well know from "All Creatures Great and Small" and the character landed on him by producer John Nathan Turner was very dull. After all there are not many I should think would find cricket an interesting character trait for the Doctor. Sadly Davison's Doctor had about as much personality as a plank of wood. Davison himself has said his time as the Doctor was awful. His best was his last story Caves of Androzani (which JNT's only input was the awful bat creature), Davidson at last had found himself and was very food. I even felt sorry to see him go, but the regeneration scene didn't worked at all well the insertion of the flash backs and Anthony Ainley's "hammy" laugh.

Colin Baker was sunk from the start by that awful cosume. His characterisation was mediocre and to full of himself. Virtually all the virtues that I hate in real life, so I didn't take to him at all. Colin was JNT's choice for the role and yet when the BBC sacked Colin Baker, JNT didn't have the backbone to stand by his decision. He dropped Colin like a hot brick and clawed onto his own job. I have met Colin many times and he is a fine fellow in real life and a good actor, he just wasn't Dr.Who.

McCoy I remember from an early 70's show called Vision On, in it wore a monocle and deer stalker hat (sideways!) and his antics were exactly what he used for his portrayal of the Doctor all those years later. Again he was up against JNT's vision on costume (he looked like a second-hand Bat Man villain) and the "man of mystery" bit just didn't work at all. Yet in the 1996 movie McCoy gave his best performance, which I believe shows how disastrous a producer JNT was for the show. I find McCoy TV episodes unwatchable and they have not stood the test of time, they look more dated than the B+W episodes. History is repeating it's self again with the influence of Russell T.Davis, he seems to be another JNT.

you said the same about the doctor from the movie

Paul McGann could have had a good shot at the role under a better production and if he had been given a series. But again it lacked a good plot and good script, and it was aimed too much for the US market.

then said tom baker over stayed his welcome by 4 years (virtually NO one I know agree with that), Baker is by far the favorite doctor

He did indeed and Tom himself has said, with hindsight, that he should have gone earlier, but he was too much in love with the role and adoration of fans. For me the last great Tom Baker stories were Horror of Fangrock, City of Doom and The Leisure Hive. Yes, your going to say that's a JNT story, but Barry Letts was holding it together as executive producer. After you are bound to think that about Tom (as do most US fans) as he launch the show in the USA.

holey cow don't say you didn't like Sarah Jane or Romana(s)

Sarah Jane is one of my all time favourites (as is Victoria & Jamie), I didn't like Mary Tamm, but Lala Ward was a joy. She is also one of the nicest people I have met.

and went on to say you have only seen one episode of DT's doctor.

For me that was more than enough.

From your avatar I hope you are a Troughton fan.

I am indeed, he was my favourite, followed by William Hartnell and Jon Pertwee in second place and then Tom Baker. I have been lucky in meeting Patrick, Jon and Tom on many occasions and they were all delightful.

but dude I just can't see how you are a doctor who fan and have apparently disliked the last 7 doctors.

I don't see why you have to like ALL to be a fan? Just because I don't like the last 6 actors doesn't stop me for being a Dr.Who fan

It's perfectly reasonable to have a favorite and least favorite doctor...but to apparently dislike the last seven...wow.

Agreed, each to his own. I personally don't like to watch rubbish just for the sake of it, I would rather spend my time watching something I enjoyed. And it's 6 not 7.

I don't think the doctor is supposed to be any one thing...each regen is going to be different .

Agreed, which is why the show has managed to survive. My point is that there was a continuity, by accident or design I know not, with the first four actors. You could really believe it was the same person. This is what I think has been lost, you could never believe Tennant to be Hartnell nor McCoy to be Troughton. I think it is down to who ever the producer is at the time. JNT took the show off course and RTD is taking to the extremes of soap opera. It's EASTENDERS with a Police Box.

While i agree i think some have been really young, it doesn't necessarily follow that they can't be handsome fellas.

So you think this is because they are young? I thought Troughton & Pertwee very handsome for their mature age, or do you consider them ugly because of their age?

Please don't take my post here the wrong way, but I'm just shocked.

No offence taken, but I still don't see why you're shocked just because a certain portion of the show's history doesn't appeal to me.

The kids are the ones we should be looking at to see if they like it and from all reports kids do like it. That some adults like it also is just icing on the cake.

I totally agree and it's wonderful that they have been transfixed by the show and the Daleks. It's Dalekmania all over again

 

[mike_n_herrin]

I consider myself to be a fan, but with a cut off point, I don't like watching if there is nothing to enjoy watching. I am a fan of Dr.Who from 1963 - 1977. The first four actors were, in my opinion only, the best in role.

I agree with you. I didn’t like Collin from the beginning his character was far far different than any of the others, just too …mean feeling. McCoy knew too much, and they kept eluding to him being more than just a regular time lord, which we hadn’t ever gotten at any other point and it was just odd to be throwing it in there. And I disliked Ace not calling him the doctor.. it was too hard to tell with McGann, from just the movie, but I think kissing his side kick was just icky at that point.

Peter Davison was miscast because he was too well know from "All Creatures Great and Small" and the character landed on him by producer John Nathan Turner was very dull. After all there are not many I should think would find cricket an interesting character trait for the Doctor. Sadly Davison's Doctor had about as much personality as a plank of wood. Davison himself has said his time as the Doctor was awful. His best was his last story Caves of Androzani (which JNT's only input was the awful bat creature), Davidson at last had found himself and was very food. I even felt sorry to see him go, but the regeneration scene didn't worked at all well the insertion of the flash backs and Anthony Ainley's "hammy" laugh.

I actually liked Davison, I can see how folks thought he was bland after Pertwee and Baker.

Colin Baker was sunk from the start by that awful cosume. His characterisation was mediocre and to full of himself. Virtually all the virtues that I hate in real life, so I didn't take to him at all. Colin was JNT's choice for the role and yet when the BBC sacked Colin Baker, JNT didn't have the backbone to stand by his decision. He dropped Colin like a hot brick and clawed onto his own job. I have met Colin many times and he is a fine fellow in real life and a good actor, he just wasn't Dr.Who.

Agreed.

McCoy I remember from an early 70's show called Vision On, in it wore a monocle and deer stalker hat (sideways!) and his antics were exactly what he used for his portrayal of the Doctor all those years later. Again he was up against JNT's vision on costume (he looked like a second-hand Bat Man villain) and the "man of mystery" bit just didn't work at all. Yet in the 1996 movie McCoy gave his best performance, which I believe shows how disastrous a producer JNT was for the show. I find McCoy TV episodes unwatchable and they have not stood the test of time, they look more dated than the B+W episodes. History is repeating it's self again with the influence of Russell T.Davis, he seems to be another JNT.

Well I agree about McCoy (see above). But I don’t agree about Davis. At least not yet. I maybe too excited just to have the Doctor back. Although I’ve hated the Tardis interior from the get go with the new series.

Paul McGann could have had a good shot at the role under a better production and if he had been given a series. But again it lacked a good plot and good script, and it was aimed too much for the US market.

Agreed, and it didn’t follow much of the original show’s “history.” Or as I heard once it tried too hard to follow history with a mish mosh of old stuff and new stuff that just didn’t fit together.

He did indeed and Tom himself has said, with hindsight, that he should have gone earlier, but he was too much in love with the role and adoration of fans. For me the last great Tom Baker stories were Horror of Fangrock, City of Doom and The Leisure Hive. Yes, your going to say that's a JNT story, but Barry Letts was holding it together as executive producer. After you are bound to think that about Tom (as do most US fans) as he launch the show in the USA.

I’ve seen interviews of Baker from that time and I agree with you he was very full of himself. But he did an excellent job. I think if it hadn’t been his disagreements with Turner, he’d have been the doctor for a bit longer. I don’t think he over stayed his welcome. He’s still my favorite Doctor.

Sarah Jane is one of my all time favourites (as is Victoria & Jamie), I didn't like Mary Tamm, but Lala Ward was a joy. She is also one of the nicest people I have met.

I started watching Who with the episode “the power of Kroll” but for the life of me I can’t initially remember Tamm. So I apparently thought she was boring enough to forget. So I guess I agree there also. I’ve not seen but …3 full episodes of Troughton’s Doctor (I think Vicki and Jamie are both in the ones I’ve seen) so I can’t really comment on his companions.

For me that was more than enough.

There are select episodes I’d recommend you seeing. You might like them. The girl in the fireplace I thought was amazing, I really thought impossible planet and satin pit were good also. A lot of folks liked rise of the cybermen and age of steel, but I didn’t. I would recommend school reunion, because it made me cry at the end (it has sarah and k-9 in it).

I am indeed, he was my favorite, followed by William Hartnell and Jon Pertwee in second place and then Tom Baker. I have been lucky in meeting Patrick, Jon and Tom on many occasions and they were all delightful.

I only wish I had meet any of them. We just don’t get much of a chance here in the US.

I don't see why you have to like ALL to be a fan? Just because I don't like the last 6 actors doesn't stop me for being a Dr.Who fan

Oh no I’m not saying “all” by any means. I’m just surprised you seem to have diskliked the majority of them. But maybe not, maybe it’s more like half.

So you think this is because they are young? I thought Troughton & Pertwee very handsome for their mature age, or do you consider them ugly because of their age?

No, I’m saying that because he is young now, his character is not being portrayed as the dottering grandfather, cosmic hobo, dandy, or what not. With younger folks (kids) he’s got the chance to be “hot” lol.

No offence taken, but I still don't see why you're shocked just because a certain portion of the show's history doesn't appeal to me.

I don’t know…maybe because I just love the show …too much? I felt the same about Enterprise, when many Trek folks didn’t like it at all.

I totally agree and it's wonderful that they have been transfixed by the show and the Daleks. It's Dalekmania all over again

Daleks ARE my favorite monster.

 

[mike_n_herrin]

Has the second dalek episode played in the UK yet? anyone see it?

 

[Angelfan]

Yes, it's played in the UK and I've seen it. I thought it was good but I'm not a Whovian so may not be the best judge.

 

[screwnutty]

Just downloaded it now. Watching it in 10 mins. Let you know tommorrow!!

 

[mike_n_herrin]

Mine just finished and I'm getting ready to start it up now.

 

[Angelfan]

Well I hope you like it. Hvae to say this arguement/conversation between Robert098, Screwnutty and Mike_n_herrin nearly put me off wanting to post. Although it was really Robert098 who was putting me off as I don't understand why someone who doesn't even like or watch the show has to complain about it whereas the rest of us seem to enjoy the show and want to discuss it.

 

[screwnutty]

Well I just got down watching the second parter called "Daleks in Manhattan" I liked it. I thought it was cool to see a Dalek develop human feelings. Course, I did see it coming and the betray too. But still really good story and it keep me focused for the whole hour. So now it's just one vs one. I did think the ending was a cop out. I figured they used up all there power the first time they did that. Oh well, Guess we'll see what happens in Season 4!

The next episode looks great too. Apparently there's going to be ton of Mr. Saxon hints in it also!

 

[mike_n_herrin]

I liked this episode. I think it was better than last week's. i sure saw the end coming though. i thought, gosh now that we know they can do that temporal thing, there is nothing to stop them from using it a lot. i'm guessing only the cult of scaro could do it, as none of the other daleks used it to try and escape when rose blasted them all.

so does anyone think that dalek khan that escaped is the dalek back in season 1 from episode "dalek?" there have been some references to that on the spy forum. but one person said no, because the other dalek didn't know it was the last one and this one does. i'll also add in that the other dalek freaked out over not having orders? but with Khan i don't think he'd need orders. plus that would be the end of the daleks in the story line.

Well I hope you like it. Hvae to say this arguement/conversation between Robert098, Screwnutty and Mike_n_herrin nearly put me off wanting to post. Although it was really Robert098 who was putting me off as I don't understand why someone who doesn't even like or watch the show has to complain about it whereas the rest of us seem to enjoy the show and want to discuss it.

sorry i wont argue anymore. this should be a fun thread not a heavy discussion one.

 

[Angelfan]

sorry i won't argue anymore.

As I said it was more Robert089 that was the problem. Yourself and Screwnutty were only trying to defend the show.

 

[willmarshallissexy]

OMG Ryan Carnes was in tonights episode!!! and he was good!!!!lol.

Always love the Dalek episodes they always creep me out and they always come in 2 parters.

yeah thats normally true but what about the episode is doctor who (2005) series one called Dalek? that was only one episode.

rumour
i read on wikipedia that the dalek in "Dalek" was dalek Caan from evolution of the Daleks, but there's an episode between Evoulution of the Daleks and Dalek, because the Dalek in Dalek was all burned up and cracked,

i think i said Dalek waaaay too many times in that text there

 

[screwnutty]

No the Dalek from season one Dalek is gone. Toast. Rose ordered it to kill itself. Plus when she touched it, somehow her DNA structure and it's structure combined. The Dalek was developing feelings. Remember at the end it wanted to feel the sun shine on it's skin one last time. So no. As for the teleportation thing...yeah that must be something only the cult could do cause no other Dalek has ever done it!

As for pulling Doctor Who and letting him sit on the shelf for 150 years. I was being sarcastic. Yes, I'm a fan of Doctor Who, also a fan of Star Trek. What really gets me going is when fans get upset because somebody has dared to come and change something that they grew up with. Or it doesn't fit into how they remember things. Sure Star Trek has been unpleasant in the last few movies and the new Transformers movie isn't keeping up with the G1 line of my time BUT it's coming back and I'm happy for it. If these shows can give new people the kind of joy that I received when I watched them then I'm all for it. One thing people tend to forget is that the world is constantly changing. Like it or not, we to have to change and adapt or perish. I love my Doctor Who but I don't want to see a 80 year old Tom Baker still in the role doing stuff the way they did the show in the 70's because I've aged and so have the times.